Post: #1

The rule applies to every free flowing one night stand encounter I've had or seen to date: the man has to be 2 points above a girl in the looks scale.

Not by going head to head, but by how he compares to other men relative to how she compares to other girls. In the West this is the universal rule, and you have to have some serious persistence to break it, no matter how handsome you are. Roosh certainly had that industriousness, but the thing is, if you can get a 6.5 with little effort, why would you put in 3 hours work to get a 7.5? Being handsome leaves you banging less attractive girls than the hard working man; use that to your advantage if night game is your thing! I'm quite lazy and settle for these -2 girls on night game (if I can even call it game), and rather focus on having fun with my friends.


However, with social circle game the general rule seems to be +1; girls looking to get fucked are valuing looks more than ever, and the market is such that a man and a woman on a same level can't have a fast casual encounter, but when a woman is looking for something more, with your standard 3 dates, meeting through social circle etc. She will take a man her own number, or perhaps even lower. You can accelerate those 3 dates into one or two, but you have to ghost the girl with skill, or potentially be ready let go of the social circle if you want a one and done. But can we all agree than a 2 hour date with good conversation is better than hunting drunk sluts for hours?

Getting more attractive girls regularly requires experienced social circle game and strong dating game. Sophistication is very important no matter how handsome you are, if you want to sleep with a lot of good looking girls, and discard them at will.

Just thought I'd point it out for any guys that can't laid; lower your standards if looking for fast sex. Women fuck only up, and other things that make a man attractive like excitement, are becoming less relevant, because attractive dudes are also getting these qualities. The best game in the world can perhaps get you from +2 to +1, but again, persistence more than anything is the key for night game.

If you want to fuck better girls be ready for very long nights of work, or if you're like me, just accept that the girls on your level can have any man in the world, and you're probably going to have to meet them through social circle and play the 'relationship' game. You can counter the womanizer label by stating that you found no connection or some other shenanigan; it works sometimes.

They all feel the same is what I have to tell myself with night game.

Post: #2

I think game is more to do with achieving higher quality... but if a bang is a bang for you then yes, it's a solid rule and can confirm that it definitely works.

Just look at all the fit guys with fat chicks. The problem is they get hooked into long term relationships with them...

Post: #3

Pussy is pussy for me when it comes to bars and clubs, but I get quality through dating, tricking girls into thinking they can get something longer term.

Being handsome is not easy if you want girls your level - truly attractive girls that aren't at all promiscuous are hard as nails to bed. But the are by far the most rewarding.

Anyway, this has been working for me lately, getting girls through my social circles (somewhat time consuming but fun ones), seducing them with attention, then getting in and out fast, finding an excuse later.

I'm obsessed with getting novelty and quality at the same time, and I'm putting a lot of thought and work into the logistics of things. It ain't easy!

But I'm also convinced this is the finest way to find a potential future wife: eventually one of these girl has to have what it takes to tie me down.

Post: #4

LTR and hook up game must be about keeping the hypergamous gap as narrow as possible. In terms of looks, this is difficult in cock fest bars and in smartphone dating apps. Not only is the competition for average women fierce, average men are competing with Chad, who himself is forced to date down.

But the real danger of using Beta hypergamic credit exchange game is with LTRs. The MMV is matching couples with a gap in social and financial values. This represents a huge risk for the man as a lower value woman has more incentive to bring in the divorce lawyers than one of equal status.

There are too many confusing definitions of Beta but it seems to be a mindset that makes a man to mostly use hypergamy to attract women. With state sponsored equality forcing men’s social values downwards and dating app and nightgame forcing women’s sexual values upwards, you can see why beta hypergamic game has failed and Chads are dating and abandoning average women

Post: #5

I don't really agree with this rule at all. I've banged loads of girls for ONS from nightlife that are the same level as me and a point or so higher and it didn't take loads of work. You just meet them, communicate that you're on their level and just be cool, and the sex happens as a matter of course. Whereas some of the bangs where I've had to work the hardest were for rubbish quality, and where there were loads of other guys also going for the low hanging fruit.

Post: #6

I've hooked up with girls that were a point above me very quickly. What you have to realize is that to girls looks are much lower priority than to guys (to us in ONS that's really all that matters), in some countries like Russia and most of SE Asia they're even less important.

What you have to do is pick1 thing you really excel at (money, humor, make up a story about you being famous or saving dolphins, whatever...) and lead with that heavily. Your looks won't improve on the spot, but if the conversation revolves around another side she highly values you can absolutely bang above your level.

Post: #7

OP,

This is why many men get a passport. When women expect men to be the "pretty" ones during sex and relationships...you have a fucked up dating market.

Post: #8

The most beautiful woman I ever slept with was a one night stand. Easy nine with a warm personality. She was my ideal blonde both in facial features and body type. I knew her for an hour and a half before she was back at my place and I was banging her raw. Hit it four times. We spent six hours together and I didn't sleep at all until she left for her flight at 4 in the morning.

To my credit, I did everything right. It was one of those days when the stars simply align, like when you magically hit a PR in the gym you thought was previously impossible for no other reason that you were well-rested, high energy, hit the bar with perfect form, maybe were blasting some Iron Maiden or Mac Dre in your earphones and it was just your day. To this day I have never executed a pick up that well from the approach to close.

But I know that I also plain and simply was in the right place at the right time. It was Oktoberfest, her last night of vacation, we happened to lock eyes right at the moment she wanted a guy to approach her, I happened to be enough of her type looks-wise and she was drunk enough to give me the time of day and I didn't fuck it up. It turned out we had a shit ton in common, from the types of books we read to our favorite movies (both huge fans of Tim Burton).

We formed a special connection and I still chat with her regularly on Instagram - 3k followers, and she never ignores my messages.

Anything can happen at the Wiesn!

Post: #9

(10-23-2018 10:00 AM)Buddydowrongright2 Wrote:  The most beautiful woman I ever slept with was a one night stand. Easy nine with a warm personality. She was my ideal blonde both in facial features and body type. I knew her for an hour and a half before she was back at my place and I was banging her raw. Hit it four times. We spent six hours together and I didn't sleep at all until she left for her flight at 4 in the morning.

To my credit, I did everything right. It was one of those days when the stars simply align, like when you magically hit a PR in the gym you thought was previously impossible for no other reason that you were well-rested, high energy, hit the bar with perfect form, maybe were blasting some Iron Maiden or Mac Dre in your earphones and it was just your day. To this day I have never executed a pick up that well from the approach to close.

But I know that I also plain and simply was in the right place at the right time. It was Oktoberfest, her last night of vacation, we happened to lock eyes right at the moment she wanted a guy to approach her, I happened to be enough of her type looks-wise and she was drunk enough to give me the time of day and I didn't fuck it up. It turned out we had a shit ton in common, from the types of books we read to our favorite movies (both huge fans of Tim Burton).

We formed a special connection and I still chat with her regularly on Instagram - 3k followers, and she never ignores my messages.

Anything can happen at the Wiesn!

That's a cool story (no sarcasm). It's crazy when everything lines up and shit just goes your way. And it all came to be because you made the approach

Post: #10

I had a similar situation a couple times when “your eyes lock at the exact moment she wants to be approached.” This is what all guys should remember. A girl knows she’s gonna get flirty and maybe more, hours before she goes out. Not every girl is in that mood, but we should always act as if. You could be exactly what she’s looking for.

Most of my ONS are 6s tho lol,

Post: #11

(10-23-2018 11:44 AM)BlastbeatCasanova Wrote:  

(10-23-2018 10:00 AM)Buddydowrongright2 Wrote:  The most beautiful woman I ever slept with was a one night stand. Easy nine with a warm personality. She was my ideal blonde both in facial features and body type. I knew her for an hour and a half before she was back at my place and I was banging her raw. Hit it four times. We spent six hours together and I didn't sleep at all until she left for her flight at 4 in the morning.

To my credit, I did everything right. It was one of those days when the stars simply align, like when you magically hit a PR in the gym you thought was previously impossible for no other reason that you were well-rested, high energy, hit the bar with perfect form, maybe were blasting some Iron Maiden or Mac Dre in your earphones and it was just your day. To this day I have never executed a pick up that well from the approach to close.

But I know that I also plain and simply was in the right place at the right time. It was Oktoberfest, her last night of vacation, we happened to lock eyes right at the moment she wanted a guy to approach her, I happened to be enough of her type looks-wise and she was drunk enough to give me the time of day and I didn't fuck it up. It turned out we had a shit ton in common, from the types of books we read to our favorite movies (both huge fans of Tim Burton).

We formed a special connection and I still chat with her regularly on Instagram - 3k followers, and she never ignores my messages.

Anything can happen at the Wiesn!

That's a cool story (no sarcasm). It's crazy when everything lines up and shit just goes your way. And it all came to be because you made the approach

Thanks. I have suffered crippling shyness my whole life, which I can only sometimes fake not having, and I suck at cold approaching. This was one of the times I saw her make eye contact, thought "fuck it" and turned and walked straight up to her without hesitating. Basically the lesson I learned was that hesitating is a huge mistake. Somehow despite banging her I still did not learn the lesson and cold approaching hot girls is not any easier

Post: #12

(10-23-2018 09:52 AM)Kish Wrote:  OP,

This is why many men get a passport. When women expect men to be the "pretty" ones during sex and relationships...you have a fucked up dating market.