Post: #1

Considered making a bitch. I see a lot of guys who haven't truly reached their peak or anywhere close to it bitch about how they can't get 8 to save their life. Many times in such threads I and other posters often point out how they don't have the rest of their affairs in order nor do they have the ability to bring an experience to a woman lure her in.

While these gentlemen fuss about the state of who they attract would it be reasonable for them to consider making an 8? For instance, finding an insanely pretty chick 40lbs overweight and helping her get in better shape. Convincing chicks who otherwise would be beautiful to get plastic surgery to correct the one flaw preventing them from maxing out their potential. Weighing on a 7's choice in attire and make up application to max the ever living shit out of her ceiling...etc

This seems like a viable bandaid while a man is working on getting other aspects of their game in order.

PS you should NOT be paying for surgery or personal trainers on her behalf

Post: #2

Why would men invest that heavily in a woman when the men can't even invest in their SMV, and obviously the woman can't figure it out either. In your situation you have 2 people that can't reach their potential. How the fuck is that supposed to work, magic? Investing in yourself is a staple of this forum for a reason, not investing in low value women is as well. It pays better dividends. Even if you're looking for a wife. Furthermore, THE game if you're a low SMV dude is to find a attractive girl that will invest in you. Not the other way around. Harness some of that built in, inherent SMV women have and use it to your benefit. Why would you make a risky investment if you're struggling?

You're advising the transferring of resources from men to women, and when a woman's hypergamy strikes (no doubt because you effectively increased her SMV, good job) and the woman leaves that investment goes with her.

This is ill advised. I'm of the opinion that you should leave a bitch better than when you found her. But this just sounds like hardcore simping to me. I'm not just talking about money either. Your time and your emotional resources have value.

How many times have you enacted this strategy?

Heres what those people should do.

1. Find a 7 or 8 or whatever that likes you for what you are and what you've made for yourself.

2. Continue to improve

3. Enjoy your newfound power through self improvement, life will be better, women will like you, your frame will be solid because you know what you've done and accomplished

If you can't find a 7-8-9 see step 2

Post: #3

(10-28-2018 05:21 PM)Eugenics Wrote:  Why would men invest that heavily in a woman when the men can't even invest in their SMV, and obviously the woman can't figure it out either. In your situation you have 2 people that can't reach their potential. How the fuck is that supposed to work, magic? Investing in yourself is a staple of this forum for a reason, not investing in low value women is as well. It pays better dividends. Even if you're looking for a wife. Furthermore, THE game if you're a low SMV dude is to find a attractive girl that will invest in you. Not the other way around. Harness some of that built in, inherent SMV women have and use it to your benefit. Why would you make a risky investment if you're struggling?

You're advising the transferring of resources from men to women, and when a woman's hypergamy strikes (no doubt because you effectively increased her SMV, good job) and the woman leaves that investment goes with her.

This is ill advised. I'm of the opinion that you should leave a bitch better than when you found her. But this just sounds like hardcore simping to me. I'm not just talking about money either. Your time and your emotional resources have value.

How many times have you enacted this strategy?

Heres what those people should do.

1. Find a 7 or 8 or whatever that likes you for what you are and what you've made for yourself.

2. Continue to improve

3. Enjoy your newfound power through self improvement, life will be better, women will like you, your frame will be solid because you know what you've done and accomplished

If you can't find a 7-8-9 see step 2

You're 1000% right. Solid advice.

Post: #4

I find that a big part of what lower-tier SMV women are looking for from guys is reassurance that, despite their flaws, they can turn a guy on. If a guy is going to her and nudging her to diet or do a makeover, what you're doing is telling her the glass is half empty rather than half full, which is going to trigger her. It can happen, but the initiative to improve has to come from them. Since you won't know going into it whether they will do this, there's no way to use this as a tactic.

This is part of the larger phenomenon of having a fixer-upper mentality which is something I've got a lot of experience with. You're not in good territory when your satisfaction with a woman depends on her fixing this or that. You have to be content with her as-is and any improvement is just a bonus.

Post: #5

Is it or me or there has been some post about guys complaining they only get average girls?
I think this guys are forgetting that game is not magic and is in a way dealing with reality your own way.
You never can stop improving and there are no short cuts for these. Raising your value is the only way.

Post: #6

Interesting idea but it wouldn't work. In addition to what others mentioned, you can bet your left nut that the newly minted 8/9 will leave your right one hanging in the cold the moment an 8/9 man says hi.

Maybe if you're part of a very conservative community and you're willing to marry her. Then again, it's a huge gamble, especially that her motivation to improve would be very low in that case.

Post: #7

In my experience a 6 can get my dick just as hard as an 8... and they often fuck better. I'm an average looking guy at best, and the 8's always seem to expect more of me than I want to give.

Anyway... the whole thing is subjective.

Post: #8

Kvetching?

Post: #9

My college buddy started to date a girl who was cute, but a little chubby.

It turns out that the girl was a former land whale who was on a big “clean up my life and get in shape kick.” As they dated she kept losing weight and looking better.

A year later she was fully in shape and stunning looking. That’s when she dumped my buddy.

It all comes down to hypergamy. Women want the best man (of the men that are available to them). As she got tighter hotter, more men became available and whatever guy came before my buddy got dumped and then he got dumped too. The red pill truth is that the emotional work that was put in with the chubby girl counted as evidence of low status when the fat melted and high quality men started asking.

So that’s one problem. The bigger problem is that if a girl is getting what she wants/needs then she is never going to get motivated to improve her life in the first place. Self improvement comes from pain not from love. Maybe a pimp type could manipulate the result, but the pimp by definition wouldn’t invest.

Post: #10

(10-30-2018 10:21 AM)rapaz12 Wrote:  Kvetching?

complaining, whining

Post: #11

I think it's almost impossible. You can literally only do it from the friendzone. Basically being the one to talk to her honestly, actually upsetting her, but then triggering a positive reaction that realizes was all because of you and your honesty.

If you do that while licky her overweight pussy, however, it won't work and as other posters have mentioned, she'll just dump you once she starts to look prettier, unless you make similar improvements, like add more muscle mass, work on your personality or essentially just fuck her in unbelievable ways.