Post: #1

Is that an asshole move or is it legit? There's a guy i work with that could probably be a stud in a year or two, but he a dumpster fire now(don't be shocked i've called you this before). His frame is trash, his style is trash, his confidence is trash; but he has a good career and a willingness to learn. He's seen some of my fwb's and is convinced he can learn from me. I've steered him to this forum and he may or may not opine at some point in time.

My question is when I take him out to cold approach with me this week whether it be night game or day game should i have him shoot for the very best or should i temper his approaches and have him only spending his energy, anxiety and confidence on 6s and 7s?

I've never taught anybody game or let them observe me purposely. So all this is very new to me.

Post: #2

I wouldn't worry about the looks. Get him talking to girls, first and foremost. If he has no experience and low competence/confidence it will be enough of a challenge to make him approach anyone.

Ask him which girls he likes when you're in the venue and then you go open a set, tell him to join once you're locked in. Once he sees how it's done, tell him to open a girl he feels comfortable approaching.

Btw 7s are fine. I don't think many guys have 7 as an average.

Post: #3

I've always been of the opinion that you should start running Game with as big of an SMV gap as you can stomach.

When I first started with Tinder, I created and ran a male model profile for a week and a half before I even created a profile for myself. It was inspiring. It taught me what was possible. It made me free from worry about "losing" a girl (which leads to beta Game and beta tendencies).

I then started fucking sub-5s and worked my way up.

Depending on your friend's SMV, he should start as low as possible.

Post: #4

Chances are his first time out he's gonna be approaching girls that he's used to being receptive to him.

Without game or very good looks, girls that are openly receptive to average guys are... average. 4s and 5s if he's a 6.

You're right to think that he'll do better with them but I'd avoid telling him to just go for those girls because you might be inadvertently setting him up to fail with the mindset that there's an upper limit.

Just stress inner game the most at first. Shit, you can even practice your approaches with nasty looking bitches in the grocery store or mall that you have no intention of getting with just for the sake of improving your conversational skills. All that is important is getting used to cold opening and creating an engaging conversation at first, the rest of the fun will introduce itself through that solid foundation.

Post: #5

(11-06-2018 12:16 PM)The Golden God Wrote:  Chances are his first time out he's gonna be approaching girls that he's used to being receptive to him.

Without game or very good looks, girls that are openly receptive to average guys are... average. 4s and 5s if he's a 6.

You're right to think that he'll do better with them but I'd avoid telling him to just go for those girls because you might be inadvertently setting him up to fail with the mindset that there's an upper limit.

Just stress inner game the most at first. Shit, you can even practice your approaches with nasty looking bitches in the grocery store or mall that you have no intention of getting with just for the sake of improving your conversational skills. All that is important is getting used to cold opening and creating an engaging conversation at first, the rest of the fun will introduce itself through that solid foundation.

At some point in time today he will be reading this post. He's got the foundation to significantly ascend, he just needs to drop about 40lbs and give a shit about his appearance.

Post: #6

I'm a beginner, so maybe my advice will suck. But, I see this differently. When I was a complete newbie with approach anxiety, I approached whichever girls looked most approachable. Approachability and attractiveness are different things, and I'm not sure whether there is a strong relationship between the two. I never gave it much thought. At that stage, I simply needed to get over my fear of talking to girls. When I went out, I spent a lot more time walking around looking at girls than actually talking to them, and there were many girls I failed to approach because I was too afraid. Nevertheless, I gradually gained experience with talking to girls, and I gradually got over my approach anxiety. I didn't have a wingman pushing me to approach, but I'm not really sure whether it would have made a difference. Maybe he could have forced me to progress more quickly. But, it's possible he would have hindered my progress by increasing my stress level. I really don't know. Regardless, I have no significant approach anxiety anymore. I simply approach any girl who looks attractive. I never consider not approaching a girl because she is somehow too attractive. I just don't think about it in that way. When a girl rejects me, I just learn from the experience and do better with the next girl.

My advice is that you first focus on approachability rather than attractiveness. Don't steer him away from attractive girls or towards unattractive girls. Just steer him towards any girl who looks like she's open to being approached by a guy. Later, once he begins to enjoy approaching more than he fears it, encourage him to approach any girl he is attracted to. Don't put an unnecessary fear in his mind that a girl is out of his league. Also, don't pressure him to approach any and every girl regardless of attractiveness.

Post: #7

Just let him go out and approach who he is comfortable with. He can work his way up if he wants or stay where he is content. Your 6 might be an 8 to him, doesn't really matter. As long as he is getting what he wants it's cool. Like with really anything, beginners need to start low and work their way up with experience. If he is willing to learn he will naturally approach what he wants and work from there.