Post: #1

As a short brown guy in Toronto, almost all of my pulls from night game in my city have been the following:

Foreign girls
Ethnic girls
30+ white women
Out of town white women

Young WASP girls local to Toronto are nearly impossible for me. Most will reject me at "How's your night going" - refusing to look at my face or acknowledge me. Unfortunately, they also comprise the majority of available women at nightlife venues in my city - just not available to me.

This week, for the first time I rolled with a rare breed - a young, non-autistic, above average height white guy who isn't afraid to cold approach (most young white guys in my city leverage Tinder/IG/bottle game, and the white guys who cold approach RSD style are short, autistic or immigrant/Eastern European).

He consistently got better reactions than me when cold approaching. I'd approach her friends or he'll introduce me to them, and the friends would be receptive - far more receptive than had I approached alone or with an ethnic wingman. This allowed me to get my foot in the door and run my game.

I've also noticed a strong white/ethnic social divide in my city, with ethnic guys getting shot down immediately while white guys can at least get their foot in the door and talk. I wonder if these ethnic guys would do better if they had a white guy wingman to vouch for them.

For ethnic (non-white/non-black) guys here, have you noticed a difference when rolling with a white wingman?

Post: #2

How is your daygame? If you are getting similar results when approaching these women, you may want to re-evaluate your game.

Post: #3

I found an interesting video about service wingman/wingwoman. Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJZis0E0...e=youtu.be

Post: #4

I don't think any of these gimmicks make that much of a difference if she is not attracted to you in the first place. A lot of times these girls may be nicer to you and entertain speaking with you for the sole purpose of keeping your wingman around but at the end of the night, attraction speaks above all else.

I see these kinds of thread come up so much that I am going offer a guide to all minorities out there who want to do well with prime white girls, take note and thank me later.

I've done alright with these types and while I did mix with some white guys who were socially well connected, I've pulled these types of girls from dating apps as well. My success rate is higher with non-WASPy white women but I do not mind one bit, good pussy is good pussy.

First off, the reality is that prime white women care more about looks and appearances than any other ethnicity out there.

Ethnic guys struggle with them because most ethnic men are not necessarily the best looking. You might get the rare Indian, Asian, Middle Eastern or Hispanic guy who is tall and chiseled, those guys are not talking about how tough it is to pull white girls. Women of other cultures might be more forgiving of a chubby guy or a less attractive dude, prime white women are not.

Most do not care that much for how rich you are, if that was the case then Indian doctors would be marrying tall hot suburban blondes all day long but we all know that isn't common. Prime white women care more for looks than any other group out there, not even "strong game" in most cases will overcome it unless you have some status and serious social proof but even then, the better looking guy will win. Most white girls do not need a sugar daddy, they come from well off families, having parents that spoil them and fund their sugar daddy lifestyle. How much you make, your job title (unless its something cool like bartender, DJ or model photographer) and how well you can speak rarely matter that much, it is all about

They're not going for the dorky STEM white guy, there is a reason most of those guys end up having to date Asian women. At least with Asian and ethnic women, dorkier white guys have a selling point of having blue eyes and can capitalize on the colonialism mindset these women have. Even the white guys that prime white girls go for are top notch in terms of looks whether or not they have their life together elsewhere. We all know exceptions to the rule but they are rare exceptions, this is the reality. Looks and cool factor matter above all else if you want to game prime white women.

Now I've known ethnic guys, including Indian men, who did well with prime white women.

Here are some of the things they had in common.

At least 5'10 or taller and in great shape.

Almost all the Indian guys I knew who were doing well with the type were on the taller end. I will go farther than that and say most of them were over 6 ft tall and in amazing shape. Look at your competition, very likely its a tall white guy with an athletic body and chiseled face due to having low body fat, that's who you are up against. Why would she pick you over that guy?

Very much the opposite of the typical ethnic guy in terms of attitude.

Irrationally confident, brash, outspoken and the take shit from no one mentality. In many ways they were the brown version of the douchebag frat boy stereotype, a lot of them even grew up around these types of guys and naturally had them as friends. Prime white women eat that irrationally confident douchebag vibe up like crazy, it arouses them once the physical attraction is there. You won't see too many of these guys posting threads like these, no offense OP.

They just "get it" in terms of understanding the world she comes from. They're relatable.

They don't see themselves as "ethnic guys" trying to "game white girls", they see themselves as guys trying to game girls they find hot. In many ways, they aren't that different compared to the guys she is normally around. A lot of them understand her need to party, get wasted, get drunk and not to take her seriously. They traveled around, have booming social media accounts and likely run with the kinds of crew (younger whites) she is friends with.

Even if you cannot get young white friends or mix with those social circles, things like a booming social media account showing value and a better understand of the kind of world she comes from will do wonders. You have to be able to tease her and not take her seriously as well as present values in your pics and social media profiles that scream you get it, it screams that you're "in".

Here is one final word about prime white girls, don't take them seriously, ever.

Do not get philosophical with them or try to have an intellectual conversation there. Talk to them as you would talk to a kid at a daycare center, that is the personality of a young white girl. Make one liners, act dumb and leave your whole race bullshit at the door. She does not give a damn about your struggles, SOB stories and life experiences, she is just looking for one adrenaline rush after another in life.

Here are things you can do if you don't fit any of the requirements above.

1. Get a cool job in the area and get status that way, maybe its ski instructor, maybe its a DJ or maybe its a bartender, who knows what it is. Shut out the noises telling you that you are selling out for pussy, if you want it bad enough then make the changes and stop pondering.

2. Take a trip to a really white part of the country and run game there, you'll fare better there than the "diverse" cities where there is more division. Your race might carry some value there and you might have a lot more success if you are one of the very few brown guys in the area, better keep voting for the right wing while you're at it because it only takes a given number of refugees in a city to lower your value.

3. Run social circle game. I have no idea how this works, not much at least but try to be the guy that adds value and other successful white guys want to be around.

Post: #5

Wow.

People really do worship white women.

The British did a number on their colonial subjects.

Now I know why white women get raped so damn much.

TDK

Post: #6

SLSlayer - IIRC you are in your mid-late 30s, so goin after girls mid-20s or under in a nightlife environment isn't goin to be easy for most guys that age unless you can pass for someone in his 20s and/or you're using baller game.

Anecdotally my experiences align a good deal with yours, but even so, I agree with TDK that this white-girl worship needs to stop.

If you're doin well with the ethnic ladies, then stick to gaming them, there are plenty in Toronto. You're not living in some small town so don't see what the issue would be.

If you cannot live without white pussy then head to Europe or even some parts of Latin America and try your luck there.

Post: #7

(11-11-2018 12:53 PM)thedarkknight Wrote:  Wow.

People really do worship white women.

The British did a number on their colonial subjects.

Now I know why white women get raped so damn much.

TDK

I get hotter non-white women than I do white women and I legitimately am satisfied with that. It can be a freeing.

Post: #8

There is just something about these discussions around gaming white women as a minority that makes everyone tense while the reverse it really is no issue. A white guy can talk endlessly about what country in South America to go to or game advice surrounding women from any minority group but as soon as the tables turn, things get real tense. It isn't just white guys either, most of the times I find that it is minorities themselves who get even more hostile with other minorities chasing white women.

The guys I found cared the least about me gaming white women and getting with them were high value white guys themselves that had more than enough options.

My thought is that subconsciously, whether we admit to it openly or not, everyone admits that white women are the highest value. Even if it is not their thing, every guy wants to smash a Stacy but overtime guys end up learning that the bar is pretty high in most cases.

Overtime after having been with enough white women, I get a lot more attracted to brown girls and exotic women myself. The most underrated part of doing well with white girl is that when girls of minority groups see you doing well with white women, their interest peaks that much more. I have known Asian and Indian guys who managed to get with ethnic girls that were hardcore white guy worshipers but made an exception to that guy because he managed to get a white girl.

It is tough to do well with prime white girls no matter what your race is, even if you're white, but at the same time it can be rewarding in so many ways even if that is not the main group you're attracted to.

Post: #9

Rewarding for what? I have never had a white girl fuck me as good as non-white women. I do not care about being seen with a white girl in public. Black men-white women are such a common IR dating pair that whatever "status" or ego boost you get from it is similar to being seen in an entry level German sedan - sure, not everyone has one, but enough people do that it really isn't THAT special.

Maybe I'm biased because I haven't gotten with some "stunner" white woman. Or because I'm a black male and you seen to be excluding black men from what you're saying about "minority" men. Or because I've looked back on my time pedestalizing white girls that I was putting up with their bs and in hindsight it was a waste of time.

I want you to imagine being 40 years old and wifing up a 29 year old J.Lo. Do you see how beautiful she is at 49? Or a 29 year old Selma Hayek, who still is a 9 at 53 years old You'd be 60-64 years old and still have an absurdly fuckable wife. I can't think of any white woman who looks as good as J.Lo/Selma do at her age.

Women are women. A white 8 is equal to a Latina 8 is equal to an Asian 9 (alright maybe I do have some slight racial preferences...)

Post: #10

(11-11-2018 02:42 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  A white 8 is equal to a Latina 8 is equal to an Asian 9 (alright maybe I do have some slight racial preferences...)

Haha so much this! Can't tell you how many Indian and Asian bros I run into that absolutely pedestalize white women like they're God's gift or something.

Get in where you fit in, I love Latinas and they seem to love me, as do the Euros. I don't get much love from American white girls but I get enough action from other girls that I don't dwell on it much at all.

Post: #11

But to actually contribute to this thread...

I can only vividly remember one night where I went "night-gaming" in with a group of white guys, and it was a complete blowout. Even had one of the girls in a group we were talking to get completely "creeped out" by something I was doing.

That's never happened when I being "wingmaned" by a non-white friend who I was legitimately just having a fun evening with.

Post: #12

Why would you want to be with a group of women who only want you at your best but, ordinarily, wouldn’t even sit next to you on the subway?

TDK

Post: #13

Just quit the white women, especially the WASPs. I lived in Toronto and they are not good women, or even human beings. Very spoiled and entitled.

Post: #14

I pursue white women for sex and nothing else. pump n dump...as do most of my latino/hispanic friends

the jews enabled interactions between white women and non-white men (especially african-american/black men) to fornicate

thankfully so many white girls are complete sluts during their college/university years...they give sexual relief to so many minority guys...bless the white woman!

Post: #15

(11-11-2018 03:27 PM)thedarkknight Wrote:  Why would you want to be with a group of women who only want you at your best but, ordinarily, wouldn’t even sit next to you on the subway?

TDK

Because white is right!

Post: #16

Just stick to your own kind man, the kind that likes you... You're going through all this pain for nothing--pussy is pussy. Just focus on getting young girls, that's what makes the biggest difference.

What also makes a big difference is how much the girl is into you, to have the best simulation of love possible. Don't be trying to get White girls to counter your Indian insecurity, you've got to solve that another way.

As a White guy my preference is women that look like me, because I like how I look--yours should be the same--I'm certain you enjoy Indian girls the best, and want White girls solely because of self hatred.

Women can sniff this; they don't ignore you because they're racist.

Post: #17

^ Maybe he's just attracted to white women and there's no self-hatred involved.

Post: #18

Quote:Asian 9 (alright maybe I do have some slight racial preferences...)

An Asian 5 >> White 8 or 9

-A submissive, feminine asian girl regardless of beauty is higher up on my charts for a relationship than a bitchy, self-entitled, slutty/whore white girl from the anglosphere

Quote:As a White guy my preference is women that look like me, because I like how I look and want White girls solely because of self hatred.

Women can sniff this; they don't ignore you because they're racist.

This is true for white women from england, usa, canada, australia.

european white women not so much...more open-minded

Post: #19

Which white OP?

There are many types of white. Are you talking about a red headed and freckly Scottish white? A tubby chinless English white? Oily haired dark Italian white? Or bald headed brute Polish "white"?

OR does it not matter as long as it's more white than you?

Post: #20

(11-11-2018 12:27 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  1. Get a cool job... maybe its a DJ

"DJs get BJs" -Sacha Baron Cohen

Post: #21

(11-11-2018 04:25 PM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  Which white OP?

There are many types of white. Are you talking about a red headed and freckly Scottish white? A tubby chinless English white? Oily haired dark Italian white? Or bald headed brute Polish "white"?

OR does it not matter as long as it's more white than you?

Great point.

If girls attract you for their broad race rather than their particular features, you're doing something wrong.

It's all about the individual girl, and her sex appeal. 100% have some sort of self hatred if you only covet girls that look nothing like you.

Post: #22

The cold truth is most people stick to their own race, especially western women when all things are considered. It’s an extra hurdle for non white guys. I could argue it’s even worse than a height difference. You could bring all the white guys in the world with you, but unless you’re stepping up and overcoming those sorts of handicaps, the only way you’re getting a white 8+ is if we are talking about inches from a gay dude.

Post: #23

Guys should never want to take the easy way out with game, you should always be challenging yourself instead of just settling. If going for a group of women that have higher standards and are not as easy to game is your goal, I say pursue it! Whether you succeed or fail, you'll come out better for it. Obviously get with women who are receptive to you for practice and even social proof but don't settle with game or with life.

I've had the opposite issue, I do a lot better with white girls and black girls than I do brown girls of any kind.

There is one point of OP's post that puzzles me, he seems to do well with all kinds of white women but is targeting a specific type. This is not about white women versus women of color or even attraction itself, it is about something else entirely. If you are getting foreign white women and white women from outside of Toronto, what's the obsession with Toronto WASP girls who are generally not as attractive?

At this point it is similar to some of own struggles in that OP is not as into the idea of good sex and getting laid as he is status and being one of the cool kids. If that's the case then the answer is clear, go find work in nightlife or a cool hobby instead of trying to use these women to elevate your status.

Post: #24

(11-11-2018 05:40 PM)astro Wrote:  The cold truth is most people stick to their own race, especially western women when all things are considered. It’s an extra hurdle for non white guys. I could argue it’s even worse than a height difference. You could bring all the white guys in the world with you, but unless you’re stepping up and overcoming those sorts of handicaps, the only way you’re getting a white 8+ is if we are talking about inches from a gay dude.

I'm always torn on this sort of thing. I sort of can empathize with both sides of the coin on this argument. If banging was done solely for the purpose of procreating, I could see why it's probably better not to have every single person & their momma mixing. It can be argued perhaps that certain races might die out or get more scarce if everyone was mixing.

But on the flipside maybe the mixing is just a continuation of something that has already been going on in the past (just with a greater variety of races mixed into the equation now). Maybe it would even help keep the genes more resilient against potential disorders via diversification (hopefully it is not actually contributing to these things). In other words I'm referring to those extremely endogamous populations that sometimes have higher rates of defects & disorders (ie. Ashkenazi Jews).

Now as far as a lot of us being manwhores & thinking with our dicks & banging pussy just to bang pussy (without procreation in mind), I can see why many of us barely discriminate as long as the chick is decent looking on the 10 scale.

Post: #25

Being in Toronto myself... I say you've hit Your Holy Grail, Your Mount Everest based on your Notch Resume & look! The only way to get better results with these Prime White TO Girls would be to throw a LOT of money around... or seriously develop a deep Social Circle. Solely based on Cold Approaching... you've done absolutely the Best you can. And you've achieved these figures in Toronto! Quite Frankly I'm impressed!

Keep Bangin what you're Bangin... and move on to your next phase of the playa life... be it money, traveling or whatever it is that YOU Fancy. I'm extremely good at sensing anything related to Game... and I even see Elite Looking White Guy glancing left & right when I'm in public... meaning they're not eating as much at they'd like. God Himself wouldn't bat over .350 by exclusively gaming these girls. If you still want to focus on them... at least start on getting your connections & $$$ Up... cuz you'll have to do it anyway. It's honestly the only advantage I see in gaming these girls!