Post: #1

Starting a new thread in response to the video shared by Easy_C here:
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The rundown is that there's a guy on YouTube introducing himself as John Mark who analyzes the dynamics of civilization and politics, and proposes some broad solutions for the problems we face as a society. He frames the entire Left as part of the low-IQ, third-world behavior of endemic parasitism, which is based on lying and jealousy, as opposed to right-wing tendencies in Western civilization that created the rule of law and high trust needed to build and maintain first world nations.

Mark posits that this parasitism is destroying America to the extent that civil war or some kind of massive conflict is unavoidable. To stop the leftists from taking over again, he advocates a modified system of government operating on the principles of expanded property rights and far greater accountability for public figures to speak truthfully.

His videos:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIGlVAL...lXk511Cfhw

I watched his explanations about the nature of civilization, political power, and the Left, as well as his 1-hour rundown on what propertarianism is and how it is supposed to function. Some of it is pretty good. I would do a crappy job of summarizing it, so you'd best watch his videos or have a look at his writings or the writings of the guys who inspired him.

While I agree with John Mark's analysis of the current situation, and am even inclined to believe that we are headed toward civil war or some comparable social cataclysm, I am VERY skeptical about the viability of propertarianism as proposed.

Mark seems to think that science has gotten to the point where we can efficiently and unambiguously determine political and social truth. He wants public speech to be able to be stand scrutiny in court, so that demagogues cannot lie to the people and create leftist movements again. I don't think we're there yet, and we might never be. In essence, it's the same problem as Marxism where the communists think that economic utility and the worth of labor can be measured scientifically without markets.

My suspicion is that if propertarianism were earnestly put into practice, it would create an oligarchical judiciary that claims custody of the truth and punishes people for going against its "scientific" definitions. Especially given its expanded definition of what constitutes property, and how property now expands into the realm of public good, I can imagine it easily ending up like China where the state cracks down on anything it thinks may threaten social stability.

That being said, Mark's channel seems to be growing fast since it started late last year, and its presentation is succinct and easily understood. It'll be interesting to see where this goes.

Post: #2

https://propertarianism.com/

https://twitter.com/curtdoolittle

Post: #3

It's interesting that he's delivering his content within that red helmet. I wonder if that will eventually work to his benefit or detriment.

Post: #4

Looks like autism as a political program.

Post: #5

(02-12-2019 07:07 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  Looks like autism as a political program.

Well weaponized autism can work, just look to the Great Meme War of '16. We memed Trump into office.

Also, what the guys did on 4chan to Shia LeBouf's art project "He will not divide us" was pretty fucking funny:

Quote:On February 23rd, 2017, the livestream was closed after gunshots were reported in the local area.[12] On March 8th, the web cam was moved to an unknown location, where it pointed up at a flag with the words "He Will Not Divide Us" printed on the side (shown below).

On March 9th, an unknown person was recorded taking down the flag and replacing it with a "Make America Great Again" hat and Pepe the Frog T-shirt (shown below).

The following day, Redditor Merios_96 posted a /pol/-themed Picardia image macro speculating that a 4chan user tracked flight patterns and mapped stars in order to figure out where the flag's location was to /r/The_Donald,[13] where it gained over 10,500 votes (92% upvoted) and 875 comments in less than 24 hours (shown below, left). The following day, Redditor redleftred uploaded an illustration of several Pepe the Frog's running from Wojack with the "He Will Not Divide Us" flag (shown below, right).[14]

Also on March 10th, the news site Get Riced posted an article about how the location was discovered, claiming that viewers used triangulation techniques based on planes seen in the stream to determine the general area. A local then began honking their horn repeatedly while driving in the area, which were picked up by the webcam's microphone to further narrow the location. Finally, using star maps, 4chan users were able to identify the exact location of the flag on Google Maps.

On March 22nd, 2017, the livestream was relocated to the top of the Foundation for Art and Creative Technology in Liverpool, England. In a press release, Labeouf, Turner and Rönko claimed that "America is simply not safe enough for this artwork to exist" and accused those who stole the flag previously as being "white supremacists."[17] That day, an anonymous 4chan user submitted several photographs of the new location to the /pol/ (politics) board (shown below).[16]

In threads on both 4chan and 8chan, users planned ways to remove the flag from the building with drones, including cutting it down with an attached knife or painting it green with an attached paint bomb.

Flag Removal
On March 23rd, as masked man appeared on the Liverpool stream. The stream was subsequently taken offline and photographs began appearing on both 4chan[19] and 8chan[18] of an empty flag pole on the building, with many speculating that it had been stolen by the masked man.

Shortly after, a photograph of the masked man standing on a roof with a cohort was posted to /pol/, referring to the pair as ''parkour autists'' (shown below, left).[20] That day, the official @FACT_Liverpool[21] Twitter feed announced that "on police advice" the installation was removed "due to dangerous, illegal trespassing" (shown below, right).

Post: #6

Similar to this John Mark.
I've had my own ideas on what it would take to setup certain alternative modes of civilization.
One of which :

Going by the old-school definition of anarchy - a lack of government.

I find it rather ironic & a touch amusing, that in order to instill anarchy onto / into a nation. You'd ironically only be able to do so, with highly civilized & highly orderly people.
Even a small handful of social parasites would cause too much disruption & disorder.

Post: #7

(02-12-2019 07:07 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  Looks like autism as a political program.

I guess the red power ranger overdosed on vaccinations.

Post: #8

Seems pretty crap.

Post: #9

God damn it, I watched 2 videos of his (The intro video and the one on "Proprietarianism") and now he's infesting my recommendations.
OP I blame you for this.

Post: #10

(02-12-2019 08:39 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  God damn it, I watched 2 videos of his (The intro video and the one on "Proprietarianism") and now he's infesting my recommendations.
OP I blame you for this.

Have you tried deleting them from your history? That usually stops the algorithm from going crazy on you. I end up deleting a lot of watched videos from my history because of this.

Post: #11

Imagine the US separating and then how do you think it would go for the two new nations?

The left, and parasitism, vs the right and individual responsibility.

The barbarians would be climbing over the gates again in a very short time.

His stuff is just pipe dreams, great in theory but not going to happen, sadly.

Post: #12

(02-12-2019 10:11 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  Imagine the US separating and then how do you think it would go for the two new nations?

The left, and parasitism, vs the right and individual responsibility.

The barbarians would be climbing over the gates again in a very short time.

His stuff is just pipe dreams, great in theory but not going to happen, sadly.

Yep. Just like California & perhaps soon for Austin. Rabbits flee the mess they make for greener pastures one way or the other.

Post: #13

It's typical intellectual cowardice dressed up in outside-the-box thinking.

Was Normal Rockwell era America a detestable pit of Marxism?

Did democracy change?

No. The demographics changed and the (((dialogue))) changed.

It's amazing the psychological lengths people will go to in order to find solutions that circumvent their globalist programming rather than just killing the programming itself.



^Mental image of a modern Westerner trying to come up with solutions to todays problems without tripping his racism and anti-semitism barriers.

Post: #14

The red helmet isn't because of Autism.

I shared this video with a few military buddies and we all noticed the same thing. This guy has taken some VERY well thought out steps to hide his identity. A lot of these are more subtle than meets the eye (notice there's no license plates visible in his intro reel). He's obviously from a business background but anything further is hard to pin.

I'll agree his solution is Naive. I think it's on the right track but there are a lot of details that need to be hashed out. The key provision is requiring pre-emptive court review of laws which both limits the volume of legislation and prevents situations where a law is only unconstitutional if you're rich enough to fight back against our insane legal systems with prosecutors who have no qualms about torturing you into a false. confession.

Re: The helmet: I see exactly what he's doing. Back in the day I remember Adult swim used to run a show that featured a rebel character who was always wearing a distinctive black/purple helmet. Mark is doing the same thing. The helmet is a way for him to conceal his identity while also being very distinctive.

Post: #15

Second point is there no such thing as perpetuity. It's cyclical and hopefully the tree falls in a good way to where the next up cycle builds a free society.

Post: #16

(02-13-2019 08:32 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  It's typical intellectual cowardice dressed up in outside-the-box thinking.

Was Normal Rockwell era America a detestable pit of Marxism?

Did democracy change?

No. The demographics changed and the (((dialogue))) changed.

It's amazing the psychological lengths people will go to in order to find solutions that circumvent their globalist programming rather than just killing the programming itself.

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^Mental image of a modern Westerner trying to come up with solutions to todays problems without tripping his racism and anti-semitism barriers.

Granted, if you watch the videos, you'll see that he does advocate demographic change back to white supermajority. I forget if he called out the Jews but given the other things he's saying I don't think he'd avoid it if it came up.

Post: #17

Not in depth. He did mention that Jews vote overwhelmingly left and that the reasons behind that were something he would consider analyzing later.

Post: #18

(02-13-2019 01:36 PM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  ...
Granted, if you watch the videos, you'll see that he does advocate demographic change back to white supermajority. I forget if he called out the Jews but given the other things he's saying I don't think he'd avoid it if it came up.

Then at best he's putting the cart before the horse. Germany, Sweden and a host of white majority nations heavily socialist in nature have hardly been shitholes since WW2. Their quality of life got higher in line with productivity per capita until the globalists made a concerted effort to burden them with (((social justice))) and mass immigration.

Personally I'm starting to wonder if whites could even pull communism off absent the meddling of (((certain factions))), either as commissars deliberately murdering "their own people" or fleeing across the ocean and gutting those same economies while pretending to be capitalists.

And I'm not even saying communism is good. Just that I wonder if you dumped the Swedes on Mars with the Commie manifesto and no "greatest allies" whether they'd actually pull it off.

Does this guy actually explain how he would institute "demographic change back to white supermajority"? We're not exactly talking small potatoes there. It's kind of like saying "my system will work when the US manages to balance its budget and pay off all debts".

Okay... so never?

Post: #19

Tim Pool had an interesting take on what a modern civil war might mean. The first minute or so will give you a good idea:

Post: #20

Propertarianism is another wacky libertarian idea. It is really a massive diversion to discuss changing the property laws. Yes, virtually anything can be made property. That is why we have a thousand years of English common law where judges figured out what should be property and what shouldn't be property. That is more solid than a youtube theorist proposing radically expanding property laws that can be adjudicated before corrupt judges tying everyone into litigation. But why the diversion? This doesn't even address the real issues: the betrayal of our leaders and the deep state. I am also suspicious that he openly advocates civil war (despite the hedge comments) and doesn't get banned unlike Roosh who gets banned publishing a dating book.

Post: #21

(02-14-2019 08:34 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  [quote='Lunostrelki' pid='1938648' dateline='1550082993']

Does this guy actually explain how he would institute "demographic change back to white supermajority"? We're not exactly talking small potatoes there. It's kind of like saying "my system will work when the US manages to balance its budget and pay off all debts".

Okay... so never?

He believes that there's a roughly 0% chance the US is going to consider existing, and that the left is going to go so crazy it triggers a violent separation from white/right areas.

Post: #22

Turns out you can click on the top right of a thumbnail and say "I'm not interested in this uploader" and they'll disappear from your recommendations forever.

Good to know.

Post: #23

Quote:Does this guy actually explain how he would institute "demographic change back to white supermajority"? We're not exactly talking small potatoes there. It's kind of like saying "my system will work when the US manages to balance its budget and pay off all debts".

He doesn't see any way for that to happen except for the guns coming out. He predicts the right will try to secede and the left will refuse to let that happen which will result in shooting.

Post: #24

I will add that to me I think the most interesting part is the concept of "parasitism" and the discussion that the left's behavior is fundamentally parasitic. It also explains why the left and the elite both are fundamentally aligned: both survive by leeching off of people who actually do the work.

Mark's single best discussion point was when he was talking about his experience in India. From my military experience (most of it working directly with the locals) the problem with developing world nations is that they're so corrupt there's no such thing as the rule of law: access to every single part of societal institutions is determined by payment of bribes. Parasitic activity is so rampant that even the most basic institutions don't work and it's effectively impossible to grow any kind of honest business.

It's one of the Randian ideas that is actually true.

Post: #25

On the one hand, I enjoy his content; in precisely the same way I like reading about the politics and history of Dungeons and Dragons settings. "Cool story, bro."

On the other hand, I question what's being done about all of this. Watching youtube videos? Discussing political philosophy? I did that for ten years. Made a bit of coin, got laid a few times, but at the end of the day what changed?

The problem is, people don't want to change. They want to complain - but they don't want to do anything to fix it. They've got their marvel movies, their vidya, the Internet porn, and their fast food. Sure, they'll bitch about all of them - but the moment you try and do a thing to change it, they'll tell you they're too busy.

The number of us who actually give enough of a damn to try and build a better world are less than 1% of the population - and 1% isn't big enough to change the system. We're better off working on changing our immediate circumstances, than trying to resurrect a failed system. Let the thing crash and burn; put yourself into a better position for tomorrow.