Post: #1

69.

Post: #2

Bobs and vagene.

Post: #3

70

Post: #4

I had to edit it. My post was some long ass shit. I'm in Greece, from UK (Greek descent), girl is Eastern European. I'm athletic, tall, good looking, pro athlete, have all the fundamentals going for me, but this situation is proving weird and I'm close to nexting her. I'll try to keep this short. Edit: It's gone long again but fuck it. It's a long story LOL.

Something about this girl that I want that's been a crazy situation so far. Knew her older sister who is 30. The girl I want is 20. I'm 26. Older one works in a local quiet coffee place, younger one I want works in a busy popular trendy bar/restaurant as a server. Older one turned into a friend in a short space of time. I met them both around November time. Younger one, I gamed every so subtly at her work place, one minute here, 30 seconds here etc. Older one I could speak to more. I was being direct with older one about her younger sister. First she resisted, told me I was too old, basically leave her alone and then I turned her around quickly. Because I saw older one regularly and she turned into a friend even if she was just a barista, I knew I'd kind of have to run things by her. After two or three weeks, I said "does your younger sister have Instagram"? (Of course I already knew she did, I researched the fuck out of it haha). She gave it to me smiling. I knew this was best option. Asking her out at her busy workplace didn't feel right.

I sent younger one message two days later. She replied straight away. I told her let's go out on Thursday when your off. She told me she didn't know what to say, became flaky, but we had some great interactions. She didn't tell me and then I re-initiated on the Friday and she said what she did instead which was to go out with family. Then it turned into regular messages every three or four days over six fucking weeks. I couldn't get her out. Everytime "I'm working", "I'm busy" etc but the messages were all flirty and positive. I was thinking "what the fuck". In the end I told the older sister who was on my side now, "push her, how many times do you think I'll ask for her to tell me an excuse, it's been four or five times now". She has four older sisters, and they were all telling her to go out with me, despite only one knowing me, but I convinced the older sister I know I was a good guy. All this time, six weeks of messages, I didn't go to younger sisters workplace one because it would be weird.

One day, actually, quite shortly after I went 10 days without contact, I got her out. We agreed to go and surprise the older sister at her workplace, have a drink there and then go to eat and she suggested bowling. We did that. Casual meal at TGI's went great. She was feeding me her food, touching my hands, puppy dog eyes with a sigh. She said it was her first ever "date" and that was the reason why I couldn't get her out, she's shy about new people and a bit anti-social plus she works a lot for her age, lot's of 3pm-12pm shifts...she's only been in this country since the summer and doesn't have any real friends. Bowling was closed. Older sister told me earlier "do not take her to your home", so despite her telling me she wasn't tired, there was a language barrier issue and I didn't know if she wanted to go to my place or not, I edged on side of caution and dropped her home around midnight. She quickly jumped in for a hug, said thank you for a great night and got out the car. She suggested we go out Thursday bowling before work, but she didn't reply to my message despite us agreeing it Wednesday night. She apologised four or five times when I hit her up next day and said she woke up late and then went to work but should have told me. She suggested she's free on Tuesday and Thursday next week.

So, the Tuesday, I picked her up, we went for ice cream and a walk by the beach , then had a beer each, then she said let's go back to yours and play basketball. I have a hoop on my rooftop. Turns out she thought the basketball hoop wasn't actually in my apartment. She was nervous. She got inside, grabbed the basketball and ran outside to play. Signalling "I'm just playing basketball." We played basketball. Some kino, then we went inside and we started to choose a film with her head resting on my leg. She said it was late and for me to pick her up after work tomorrow and we'll watch the film. When I picked her up, she messaged me and said her 17 year old younger cousin was coming. Turns out all the family were home, and I feel like one of the older sisters sent the cousin with her when they found out she was coming to mine. We watched a movie, she put her head on my lap after a while and cuddled up to me, then I dropped them home. Small cousin was in the back, she said "kiss me on the forehead please", and I was like "WTF" but I did it and she loved it, got out the car all giddy.

Next day we agreed we'd go out in the afternoon, but I ended up messaging her late and flaking and told her to come and watch a movie. She said she was sick (she was from a few days ago) but she'll come anyway. I picked her up, she was alone and as soon as she got through the door she went onto the beanbag on the floor alone. The previous night she was on my lap. I said come over here and she said she wanted to stay there. I thought fuck it. We watched the rest of Harry fucking Potter, I took her home in silence and she knew something was up. Got there, she said forehead kiss, I said no, you forehead kiss me and she said no, but then did, and I did it back. Again, she skipped inside like a loved up puppy.

So, we've now seen each other the first Monday for the first date, then the next Tuesday alone for beach drink/ice cream and fucking basketball. The Wednesday for movie with the younger cousin, then the next day when she was alone, looked sick and sat away from me on the beanbag. Since we started to actually go out, for the first time, she's started to initiate messages in the mornings like sending me funny gifs etc. Since the first Monday date, we've been messaging pretty much everyday.

Following Tuesday comes round, they invite me to coffee with the older sister. I go to pick up younger one, and again, suddenly the younger cousin is coming. I was planning to do something with the "target" afterwards but now we were stuck with the cousin again. Had coffee all four of us, then they said they wanted to go the beach and mess around with a soccer ball. After this bullsh*t, we went back to mine, the younger cousin, the 20 year old target and myself. We watched a movie, and this time she was back cuddling up to me on the couch, legs on lap, then laying down with head on my chest. Holding my hand. One point I had my arm around her neck to hold her, kind of in a choking position. It was just a natural move. Took them home, she said forekiss, something happened or I teased her and she pulled away, and I grabbed her head and did it. She then got out, teasing me she wouldn't give me one. Then she came round the driver side and leaned in through the window and gave me one.

Next night I see her walking home from work with another older sister. I give them a ride home, 5 minutes away, and older sister gets out and the target hands around and I say come to mine tomorrow I'll cook (it was valentines day) and she was unsure. She said we'll talk tomorrow and ran to go inside blowing me kisses. Soon as I get home I get a message saying, what were you doing out at that time "laughing emoji" and I knew she was hamstering about what I was up to. I said "I'll tell you a secret, I live her" and I should have left her guessing but I told her I was out with a friend watching soccer. She said she'll let me know for next day, valentines and text me first thing when she was at work a funny gif, and said she was bored and tired. She said she'll let me know for later and never did. I text her around 5pm when she got off work and she didn't reply. I dumped a small teddy bear with her name on it outside her apartment block and she messaged me about 10pm not mentioning anything. I said "was something downstairs" and she said she got it when she went downstairs to go to the local shop. She said thanks it's so cute, and sent me a pic the next day in bed with it and said good morning. That was Friday. I tried to get her out Saturday night but she was tired from work and I hit her up late like 7pm.

In previous messages, she's been sending blowing kiss emoji's and red love hearts like when she said thank you for the teddy she sent two red love hearts. But then yesterday she posted a picture with a black heart emoji, and was a little cold. That saying, pay attention to what girls do, not what they say, and especially their stupid social media posts. Now it's Sunday. I don't know whether to pull away for a bit, hit her up again or what.

So we've seen each other five times in three weeks. Once for the first date, then again alone for the drink/ice-cream/basketball, then with the younger cousin for movie, then the next night movie but she was sick and sat alone, then for the coffee and football with the younger cousin and again movie but kino on the couch like tickling, intense flirty staring match, cuddling up to me, lot's of comfort etc.

I think she's inexperienced. I think there's a high chance she's a virgin. It's like she's a little scared.

At first, I was scared to escalate, especially the first night because of the older sister thing. I couldn't try and bang that night without an open invitation, I'd be risking everything if it was unwanted and she went and told the older sister. I had to be patient. But now I've been patient beyond belief. What's with the fucking forehead kisses? The comfort, trust and attraction has been built now. Now I can go more direct and aggressive, this girl needs to be led, but we have to be alone...no fucking idiotic babysitting the 17 year cousin, no bullshit like soccer on the beach in the winter. I don't know what this girl wants, whether she wants to have sex and have fun, have a relationship, wants comfort, wants a relationship.

It's weird and I'm close to nexting her but I see her a LTR material and she's also fucking hot. She's young, inexperienced, never been on a date, one possible boyfriend at a young age, funny, energetic yet shy and cute, loves to have fun, doesn't go out too much or drink, close to family and her mother, cooks at home and cleans up. She's traditional, yet modern. But there's some issues there. Her dad died when she was 3 and he used to beat the mum and she said she hates him. She has five older brothers and five sisters. It's complicated man. It's difficult to read, there's the age gap even though I look younger and knowing the older sister kind of makes things a little weird as well because she tells her everything. She's also a little insecure, says she doesn't like compliments yet posts only solo pictures and mirror selfies for validation on social media and will get a lot of male interaction at her work place even though she said she doesn't like it and she's just trying to be friendly and the customers think they have a chance.

She's a really good sweet girl with a crazy fun side but I can't figure her out. Whether she's playing a game, teasing, emotionally scarred, a psychopath, immature, inexperienced or a mixture of all of them.

Post: #5

(02-17-2019 09:29 AM)Johnaldo10 Wrote:  I had to edit it. My post was some long ass shit. I'm in Greece, from UK (Greek descent), girl is Eastern European. I'm athletic, tall, good looking, pro athlete, have all the fundamentals going for me, but this situation is proving weird and I'm close to nexting her. I'll try to keep this short. Edit: It's gone long again but fuck it. It's a long story LOL.

Something about this girl that I want that's been a crazy situation so far. Knew her older sister who is 30. The girl I want is 20. I'm 26. Older one works in a local quiet coffee place, younger one I want works in a busy popular trendy bar/restaurant as a server. Older one turned into a friend in a short space of time. I met them both around November time. Younger one, I gamed every so subtly at her work place, one minute here, 30 seconds here etc. Older one I could speak to more. I was being direct with older one about her younger sister. First she resisted, told me I was too old, basically leave her alone and then I turned her around quickly. Because I saw older one regularly and she turned into a friend even if she was just a barista, I knew I'd kind of have to run things by her. After two or three weeks, I said "does your younger sister have Instagram"? (Of course I already knew she did, I researched the fuck out of it haha). She gave it to me smiling. I knew this was best option. Asking her out at her busy workplace didn't feel right.

I sent younger one message two days later. She replied straight away. I told her let's go out on Thursday when your off. She told me she didn't know what to say, became flaky, but we had some great interactions. She didn't tell me and then I re-initiated on the Friday and she said what she did instead which was to go out with family. Then it turned into regular messages every three or four days over six fucking weeks. I couldn't get her out. Everytime "I'm working", "I'm busy" etc but the messages were all flirty and positive. I was thinking "what the fuck". In the end I told the older sister who was on my side now, "push her, how many times do you think I'll ask for her to tell me an excuse, it's been four or five times now". She has four older sisters, and they were all telling her to go out with me, despite only one knowing me, but I convinced the older sister I know I was a good guy. All this time, six weeks of messages, I didn't go to younger sisters workplace one because it would be weird.

One day, actually, quite shortly after I went 10 days without contact, I got her out. We agreed to go and surprise the older sister at her workplace, have a drink there and then go to eat and she suggested bowling. We did that. Casual meal at TGI's went great. She was feeding me her food, touching my hands, puppy dog eyes with a sigh. She said it was her first ever "date" and that was the reason why I couldn't get her out, she's shy about new people and a bit anti-social plus she works a lot for her age, lot's of 3pm-12pm shifts...she's only been in this country since the summer and doesn't have any real friends. Bowling was closed. Older sister told me earlier "do not take her to your home", so despite her telling me she wasn't tired, there was a language barrier issue and I didn't know if she wanted to go to my place or not, I edged on side of caution and dropped her home around midnight. She quickly jumped in for a hug, said thank you for a great night and got out the car. She suggested we go out Thursday bowling before work, but she didn't reply to my message despite us agreeing it Wednesday night. She apologised four or five times when I hit her up next day and said she woke up late and then went to work but should have told me. She suggested she's free on Tuesday and Thursday next week.

So, the Tuesday, I picked her up, we went for ice cream and a walk by the beach , then had a beer each, then she said let's go back to yours and play basketball. I have a hoop on my rooftop. Turns out she thought the basketball hoop wasn't actually in my apartment. She was nervous. She got inside, grabbed the basketball and ran outside to play. Signalling "I'm just playing basketball." We played basketball. Some kino, then we went inside and we started to choose a film with her head resting on my leg. She said it was late and for me to pick her up after work tomorrow and we'll watch the film. When I picked her up, she messaged me and said her 17 year old younger cousin was coming. Turns out all the family were home, and I feel like one of the older sisters sent the cousin with her when they found out she was coming to mine. We watched a movie, she put her head on my lap after a while and cuddled up to me, then I dropped them home. Small cousin was in the back, she said "kiss me on the forehead please", and I was like "WTF" but I did it and she loved it, got out the car all giddy.

Next day we agreed we'd go out in the afternoon, but I ended up messaging her late and flaking and told her to come and watch a movie. She said she was sick (she was from a few days ago) but she'll come anyway. I picked her up, she was alone and as soon as she got through the door she went onto the beanbag on the floor alone. The previous night she was on my lap. I said come over here and she said she wanted to stay there. I thought fuck it. We watched the rest of Harry fucking Potter, I took her home in silence and she knew something was up. Got there, she said forehead kiss, I said no, you forehead kiss me and she said no, but then did, and I did it back. Again, she skipped inside like a loved up puppy.

So, we've now seen each other the first Monday for the first date, then the next Tuesday alone for beach drink/ice cream and fucking basketball. The Wednesday for movie with the younger cousin, then the next day when she was alone, looked sick and sat away from me on the beanbag. Since we started to actually go out, for the first time, she's started to initiate messages in the mornings like sending me funny gifs etc. Since the first Monday date, we've been messaging pretty much everyday.

Following Tuesday comes round, they invite me to coffee with the older sister. I go to pick up younger one, and again, suddenly the younger cousin is coming. I was planning to do something with the "target" afterwards but now we were stuck with the cousin again. Had coffee all four of us, then they said they wanted to go the beach and mess around with a soccer ball. After this bullsh*t, we went back to mine, the younger cousin, the 20 year old target and myself. We watched a movie, and this time she was back cuddling up to me on the couch, legs on lap, then laying down with head on my chest. Holding my hand. One point I had my arm around her neck to hold her, kind of in a choking position. It was just a natural move. Took them home, she said forekiss, something happened or I teased her and she pulled away, and I grabbed her head and did it. She then got out, teasing me she wouldn't give me one. Then she came round the driver side and leaned in through the window and gave me one.

Next night I see her walking home from work with another older sister. I give them a ride home, 5 minutes away, and older sister gets out and the target hands around and I say come to mine tomorrow I'll cook (it was valentines day) and she was unsure. She said we'll talk tomorrow and ran to go inside blowing me kisses. Soon as I get home I get a message saying, what were you doing out at that time "laughing emoji" and I knew she was hamstering about what I was up to. I said "I'll tell you a secret, I live her" and I should have left her guessing but I told her I was out with a friend watching soccer. She said she'll let me know for next day, valentines and text me first thing when she was at work a funny gif, and said she was bored and tired. She said she'll let me know for later and never did. I text her around 5pm when she got off work and she didn't reply. I dumped a small teddy bear with her name on it outside her apartment block and she messaged me about 10pm not mentioning anything. I said "was something downstairs" and she said she got it when she went downstairs to go to the local shop. She said thanks it's so cute, and sent me a pic the next day in bed with it and said good morning. That was Friday. I tried to get her out Saturday night but she was tired from work and I hit her up late like 7pm.

In previous messages, she's been sending blowing kiss emoji's and red love hearts like when she said thank you for the teddy she sent two red love hearts. But then yesterday she posted a picture with a black heart emoji, and was a little cold. That saying, pay attention to what girls do, not what they say, and especially their stupid social media posts. Now it's Sunday. I don't know whether to pull away for a bit, hit her up again or what.

So we've seen each other five times in three weeks. Once for the first date, then again alone for the drink/ice-cream/basketball, then with the younger cousin for movie, then the next night movie but she was sick and sat alone, then for the coffee and football with the younger cousin and again movie but kino on the couch like tickling, intense flirty staring match, cuddling up to me, lot's of comfort etc.

I think she's inexperienced. I think there's a high chance she's a virgin. It's like she's a little scared.

At first, I was scared to escalate, especially the first night because of the older sister thing. I couldn't try and bang that night without an open invitation, I'd be risking everything if it was unwanted and she went and told the older sister. I had to be patient. But now I've been patient beyond belief. What's with the fucking forehead kisses? The comfort, trust and attraction has been built now. Now I can go more direct and aggressive, this girl needs to be led, but we have to be alone...no fucking idiotic babysitting the 17 year cousin, no bullshit like soccer on the beach in the winter. I don't know what this girl wants, whether she wants to have sex and have fun, have a relationship, wants comfort, wants a relationship.

It's weird and I'm close to nexting her but I see her a LTR material and she's also fucking hot. She's young, inexperienced, never been on a date, one possible boyfriend at a young age, funny, energetic yet shy and cute, loves to have fun, doesn't go out too much or drink, close to family and her mother, cooks at home and cleans up. She's traditional, yet modern. But there's some issues there. Her dad died when she was 3 and he used to beat the mum and she said she hates him. She has five older brothers and five sisters. It's complicated man. It's difficult to read, there's the age gap even though I look younger and knowing the older sister kind of makes things a little weird as well because she tells her everything. She's also a little insecure, says she doesn't like compliments yet posts only solo pictures and mirror selfies for validation on social media and will get a lot of male interaction at her work place even though she said she doesn't like it and she's just trying to be friendly and the customers think they have a chance.

She's a really good sweet girl with a crazy fun side but I can't figure her out. Whether she's playing a game, teasing, emotionally scarred, a psychopath, immature, inexperienced or a mixture of all of them.

What is this i don't even

Post: #6

Trying to decide if I should laugh harder over the:

A) Forehead kiss close... seriously, what the fuck?
B) Leaving a personalized teddy bear in front of a building
C) Superb clickbait in form of a thread called "69" with absolutely nothing sexual about it

Post: #7

He may be the 1st to ever to caveman a forehead kiss close. Let's celebrate his accomplishment as I'm sure no one will ever try it again.

Post: #8

If I were to guess your professional sport based on your interactions with this girl, I'd pick ping-pong or chess.

I don't know what you're looking for from us since you never posed a question in your post, but some constructive criticism:

1. You are being wayyy too available. There's no justification for texting her every day and doing all this cuteshy, gay shit that you hate. She's getting non-stop attention and validation from a self professed "athletic, tall, good-looking" guy, and it only costs her a fucking forehead kiss. Here's a good litmus test to see how interested she is in you vs using you for attention/validation: just stop texting her/contacting her. If you never hear from her again, you have your answer.
Edit: Bonus option: If you can, take a stealth peek at her phone and see how many guys she's siphoning attention from at any given time. The results may shock you/knock her off that pedestal.

2.Stop falling into her frame. You're granting her every wish, and not getting anything you want in return. The gay shit with the cousin and sister is a goddamn Greek tragedy (hehe). The valentine's teddy bear and passively hinting at it (did you find something cute on the stairwell, tee-hee!) is also gay.


You need to A. Take charge and lead. Don't let her dictate plans, flat out refuse the group meetups, stop tolerating that bullshit. B. Set your own personal boundaries. There has to be a point where you say "no mas" and kick her to the curb. I personally would have done it in your situation about 2 weeks in, after she wouldn't come out. 2 weeks is plenty of time for most girls to get their shit together for a rendezvous, if they can't meet you within 2 weeks they're either not that interested or are so busy that dealing with them won't be worth the headache. Ask yourself if she'd be too busy for Channing Tatum.

C. Test her for compliance more. Not in a gamey way, but in an effort to get what you want out of the interaction, which is presumably sex. I differentiate between resistance and defiance. Resistance is a normal, natural reaction girls have to test a man to see if he'll be persistent and overcome her objections. Defiance is a flat out refusal to play the game at all. If she won't let you do anything, and won't meet up with you alone, or sits on a fucking beanbag in YOUR house and won't budge, that is defiance, and is unacceptable.

Post: #9

(02-17-2019 12:24 PM)KeepMovingForward Wrote:  If I were to guess your professional sport based on your interactions with this girl, I'd pick ping-pong or chess.

I don't know what you're looking for from us since you never posed a question in your post, but some constructive criticism:

1. You are being wayyy too available. There's no justification for texting her every day and doing all this cuteshy, gay shit that you hate. She's getting non-stop attention and validation from a self professed "athletic, tall, good-looking" guy, and it only costs her a fucking forehead kiss. Here's a good litmus test to see how interested she is in you vs using you for attention/validation: just stop texting her/contacting her. If you never hear from her again, you have your answer.
Edit: Bonus option: If you can, take a stealth peek at her phone and see how many guys she's siphoning attention from at any given time. The results may shock you/knock her off that pedestal.

2.Stop falling into her frame. You're granting her every wish, and not getting anything you want in return. The gay shit with the cousin and sister is a goddamn Greek tragedy (hehe). The valentine's teddy bear and passively hinting at it (did you find something cute on the stairwell, tee-hee!) is also gay.


You need to A. Take charge and lead. Don't let her dictate plans, flat out refuse the group meetups, stop tolerating that bullshit. B. Set your own personal boundaries. There has to be a point where you say "no mas" and kick her to the curb. I personally would have done it in your situation about 2 weeks in, after she wouldn't come out. 2 weeks is plenty of time for most girls to get their shit together for a rendezvous, if they can't meet you within 2 weeks they're either not that interested or are so busy that dealing with them won't be worth the headache. Ask yourself if she'd be too busy for Channing Tatum.

C. Test her for compliance more. Not in a gamey way, but in an effort to get what you want out of the interaction, which is presumably sex. I differentiate between resistance and defiance. Resistance is a normal, natural reaction girls have to test a man to see if he'll be persistent and overcome her objections. Defiance is a flat out refusal to play the game at all. If she won't let you do anything, and won't meet up with you alone, or sits on a fucking beanbag in YOUR house and won't budge, that is defiance, and is unacceptable.

Hey. Thanks for the serious reply. This situation has tested me in a number of ways.

1) The absolute amount of work to get her out in the first place. She's been here six/seven months and not gone out with one guy.
2) The fact that I knew/know the older sister and she had me by the balls. The link with her was one of the reasons I managed to get her out.
3) The fact that I like the girl and I view her as a serious potential girlfriend.

To your advice:

1) You are right. But she has initiated the messaging two days after the first date. And she initiated this past Thursday morning and Friday morning as well. She replies if she's online and straight away, like I do if I'm free. She's also paid her way a bit as well like little things i.e ice-cream, drinks etc. There are guys most likely hitting her up, but she's out with me, nobody else (as far as I'm aware). She has to tell her older sisters who she lives with where she is etc. To go out with me, she informs the older sister who I know. It's traditional and weird. She sound like a virgin to you? I mean, any girl that says "let's go to your place and play basketball" you'd think she's be open to something sexual, but I'm 99.9% sure she literally just wanted to play basketball!


2) Yeah, I'm falling into the bullshit. One time she invited me out with the older sister for ice-cream, I told her no and said we'll go later and we went out alone. It makes no sense to hang out with younger cousins etc if we aren't in a relationship. I know this, but both times I had the younger cousin sprung on me at the last minute i.e on the way to pick her up.

I spoke to the older sister the day before valentines day and said don't tell her I called, should I ignore it or what. She said you have to get her a present. I said I'm not getting her a present we aren't boyfriend/girlfriend, I'll cook at home, because when we had coffee together she said the target wants me to cook for her. I said cool. So I trusted the older sisters advice (and I was stupid enough to think she may have some inside knowledge), so when the younger one wasn't sure, I was annoyed. Anyway, she never replied to my 5pm message about whether she was coming over or not, and I didn't have a present, so I thought "fuck it", I went and got a small bear and reluctantly left it at the door. I wasn't happy about it, but I did it and I think it worked in my favour.

When we are alone, she let's me dictate. She let's me dictate with the cousin as well, the past two times. But with the cousin there I'm cock-blocked.

C) I agree. The times come now where the comfort/trust has been built. The beanbag thing, I mean was weird, but she was sick and I think apprehensive. The night before she was head on my lap and this past Tuesday we were even closer n the couch but the cousin was there. It's fucked up.

We've only seen each other five times in under three weeks, with two proper dates, but fuck the forehead kisses. If I can get her alone and continue with the kino (which she also initiates) then there's no reason why we can't get to making out as step 1. That will be the test, next time we are alone and back at my place. It's got to the point now where it's needed so much work, that I'm going to escalate and be satisfied or I'm going to drop her/friend zone her completely and lose interest. I've got nothing to lose because at the moment I've got a cuddle buddy who gets up against me and causes me erections with her little cousin on the same couch and one who loves giving/getting forehead kisses. After the first make-out/bang, I feel like the floodgates will open. I mean she's strange. When we have been watching a movie both times at my place with the younger cousin, the way she's cuddling me, resting with me, head on my chest, holding my hand, it's like we've been together 18 months and madly in love.

So today has been a day of no contact, yet the older sister hit me up with a stupid emoji. At this stage I'd rather I didn't know her because she's in the way. I replied with something but I should have just ignored her bullshit. No contact today with the target. The hardest part is always getting her out of bed, home or away from her sisters in her free time, but then when I get her out she's the one that starts suggesting things quite freely.

Should I just go no contact like today or should I hit her up tomorrow if she doesn't message and ask when she's free? Or should I leave it more days? If I can get her out alone and at my place, I know for a fact I'll make heavy process, the shackles are off now, it's just figuring out the best way and when to make the move because she works so many evenings/nights, I need to tell her in advance usually. I've got a free dinner at a hotel round the corner from my apartment and I want to use that and then get her back to mine. I might hit her up and tell her either tomorrow or Tuesday. Seems to make more sense than going on some afternoon date or something. She also said something about going to a club last week but had to work. I wasn't sure about that, going together, but I thought we might finish late and I could get her back to mine.

I need to transition her from her immature inexperienced child like behaviour ("hey, let's go to the beach to play soccer", she's 20 not 12) into a girl that comes over for sex.

Post: #10

wtf

Post: #11

(02-17-2019 01:37 PM)womanapproacher Wrote:  wtf

It's the truth man. What?

Post: #12

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Post: #13

(02-17-2019 10:33 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Trying to decide if I should laugh harder over the:

A) Forehead kiss close... seriously, what the fuck?
B) Leaving a personalized teddy bear in front of a building
C) Superb clickbait in form of a thread called "69" with absolutely nothing sexual about it

Why the sarcasm? I have been killing it with the air kiss close for years.

Post: #14

In all seriousness that forehead kiss stuff works wonders....usually they’re down to fuck anyway but the forehead kiss thing adds a bit of romance.

Post: #15

Isn’t there a rule somewhere about not typing a book if you haven’t fucked her yet?

Post: #16

Is there a TLDNR version?

Post: #17

I only read the first couple of paragraphs before seeing how long the story was. You are way too invested in one girl, it’s oneitis and the cure for that is to bang other girls.

My honest advice would be to bang her sisters. If she does not want to bang. Put her on the back burner. She’s hot yes? Her sisters are probably hot as well.

If you don’t bang the youngest sister at least you fucked a few of her older sisters. That’s my honest advice

Post: #18

(02-17-2019 12:24 PM)KeepMovingForward Wrote:  If I were to guess your professional sport based on your interactions with this girl, I'd pick ping-pong or chess.

That gave me a good laugh.


The only thing I know from reading this is that the girl and you are virgins or atleast one of you. Man have conquered entire countries faster than you can even get a proper kiss with this girl.

Post: #19

So yeah, I don't know if the girl is a virgin or not. But the one time she was at my apartment for the first time, she literally grabbed the basketball and ran outside like she was scared to stay inside and the other time she was sick. The other two times when we watched a movie she brought along the younger cousin at the last minute but seemed a lot more comfortable and flirty with lots of kino like putting her legs up on my lap on the couch and playing along with my kino games. It's weird as fuck having a younger 17 year old cousin there though in the same space.

So the windows closing on this girl. Her older sister is calling me brother-in law half joking half serious. She's working late this weekend but she said she'll be off next week and we'll figure out going out. It's proving a little difficult to get her out again but it's weird because every time we've been together in person, she's the one suggesting "tomorrow come and pick me up" etc.

Next time I go out with her, I need to escalate things. If she's a virgin, sex with take a little longer I guess but there's a chance she's not. What's the best suggestion? Go out local to eat and try and get her back to my place for a movie? Yeah? Or drinks and back to mine? I don't think she'll want to come straight to mine. She said about "going out". I'll probably avoid any afternoon adventure type dates i.e bike ride to the beach. I want to set the frame and work on the sexual tension. Once I bang, it's like I'm in control but at the moment I'm doing all the pursuing but she does initiate texts in the morning etc like with funny gifs or something.

Post: #20

And I guess it's a long story but the TLDNR version is -

- I'm 26. I know older sister (30) and younger sister (20). Both work in local venues.
- Worked on both to date younger sister. Had to run it by older sister and use her to push younger one my way
-Younger one (target) was hard work to get out. Works a lot, never been out with a guy on a date, was shy, didn't know me too well bar some one or two minute interactions at her work place
- Finally got younger one out after weeks of DM's on Instagram
- Been on two proper dates, dinner and then ice cream/beer and basketball at my place. First time at my place was basketball and she seemed scared and actually just wanted to play basketball. Next day I picked her up to watch movie at mine but she was sick and sat on a bean bag away from me on floor.
- Seen her two other times but she bought along the younger cousin (17). At my place, kino was heavy, cuddling on sofa, legs on lap, sexual tension, her head on my abs watching movie, but younger cousin is on same couch/same room so feel like I can't escalate
- Been a bit timid/reserved myself because I had to prove to older sister I was good guy and didn't want to try and bang too soon
-Saw her five times in three weeks. Feel like things are starting to slow down now. No idea if she's a virgin or not. No idea if she wants something more serious or just fun. I don't care either way. She's a good girl with a naughty side to her, I know it.
- Fucking forehead kisses. When I drop her off, she says "forehead kiss" and kisses me and vice-versa on forehead.
- Dealing with culture that apparently when you kiss a girl she's your girlfriend or if you go out two or three times you are together. I have no idea what we are or what I can or can't do. I feel like the family have been placed as" boyfriend". It's a weird dynamic.


I want to fuck her. And keep on fucking her. She's a bit crazy, flaky and unpredictable. She doesn't particularly like compliments and when I told her she was sexy when she was angry she said "I'm not sexy". She doesn't like the sexual frame. She's quite immature for her age, she's 20, and I've been pulled into her immaturity like playing soccer on the beach in crap weather with younger cousin rather than doing what I want to be doing which is essentially going out for drinks or to eat and banging, preferably just banging would be delightful. If I bang, the roles will be reversed, the floodgates will open, and she'll be in my frame, it's just getting her there.

Help me reframe this and set the next date up for this. Let' say picking her up and taking her to mine for a movie is out of the question. It's surely going out to eat/drinks then back to mine for some bullshit like movie or basketball (I have on balcony) and then escalating right. I know I need to be more dominant, more aggressive and to lead. She needs to be lead, but I need to calibrate it so I don't fuck it up. I'd be interested to see how close she gets herself without younger cousin there...soon as though when her younger cousin is with her she seems more than comfortable to lay down with her head on my chest or hold my hand watching movie.

Essentially I've got nothing out of this situation so far so I've got nothing to lose. It might be oneitis and I banged another girl yesterday but I want her a lot. I see potential LTR or mini relationship/fuck buddy material there as well.

Post: #21

I'm severely disappointed in this thread title.

It had the possibility of being one of the greatest threads on here alongside delete.

Post: #22

(02-21-2019 05:18 PM)Johnaldo10 Wrote:  If she's a virgin, sex with take a little longer I guess but there's a chance she's not. What's the best suggestion?

Ill take her out once and you'll then know for sure.


Just kidding...sort of...but not really

(02-21-2019 05:18 PM)Johnaldo10 Wrote:  Go out local to eat and try and get her back to my place for a movie? Yeah? Or drinks and back to mine? I don't think she'll want to come straight to mine. She said about "going out". I'll probably avoid any afternoon adventure type dates i.e bike ride to the beach. I want to set the frame and work on the sexual tension. Once I bang, it's like I'm in control but at the moment I'm doing all the pursuing but she does initiate texts in the morning etc like with funny gifs or something.

She sounds like a nice girl with little sexual experience... But you sound like you have very little as well. (Whats the point of being a pro athlete if it isn't to have pussy thrown at you?)

Why do I say that? You write as if any of the little details matter...they dont.


This is text book oneitis. Its causing you to overthink this.

OP could / should have been:


"Been out with a few times with this 20 yo girl who seems innocent. How do I put my pee in her hooha?"

If the girl is 20 and a virgin...congrats...you've found an endangered species in the western world.

I dont condone fucking and chucking virgins so I'll take you at your word that yo see her as LTR material (but that assumption is for another conversation)

You want to bang her? Just follow this step by step

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Its written with "first date bangs" in mind but the principles are still valid since you haven't even made out with her. You do need to push for the bang else this girl will be phucking someone else... soon

Good luck. Let us know how it goes

By the way, when does cousin turn 18? New thread title should be "3 Way"

Post: #23

She's clearly inexperienced and has hangups. You're treating this all the wrong way.

You need to call her a goofball or some cutesy animal name or call her a dork while you have a slight smile on your face (or a full smile).

When she holds your hand? Lift it up and give it a kiss, then squeeze it and feel for her squeezing back.

Let her hand go and go get yourself something to drink.

When her legs are on your lap touch them back and forth firmly but not necessarily sexually/forward.

When she's sitting next to you, look over at her lips, then up at her eyes (she'll likely be looking at you at this point), then smirk and turn your head back to the movie.

Rest your hand on her thigh. Move it up, but before she can react, move it back down.

Push/pull, initiate more physical but not too much.

Run your hands through her hair, grip her hair at the back of her head gently but firmly, then continue running your hands through her hair. At some point kiss her cheek then pull away with a smile.

There's SO much out there on physical escalation yet you seem to be happy to let her be the initiator of physicality, too scared that she'll run away from you if you escalate.

Even when I was the most beta of betas with my first girlfriend I would never have got stuck in a "kiss my forehead" loop.

This is probably a troll, but physical escalation is something that if done well makes the girl instantly at ease with you, not tense and nervous. Even the most nervous and inexperienced of girls.

Also, I'm not sure that you can pull it off, but I've actually told girls before, "look, I like you and I'm attracted to you, but we're not going to do anything you're not comfortable with, so come on let's go do XXX activity" in situations where they've pulled back because we'll be at my house or isolated in some other manner.

Post: #24

(02-21-2019 09:25 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  She's clearly inexperienced and has hangups. You're treating this all the wrong way.

You need to call her a goofball or some cutesy animal name or call her a dork while you have a slight smile on your face (or a full smile).

When she holds your hand? Lift it up and give it a kiss, then squeeze it and feel for her squeezing back.

Let her hand go and go get yourself something to drink.

When her legs are on your lap touch them back and forth firmly but not necessarily sexually/forward.

When she's sitting next to you, look over at her lips, then up at her eyes (she'll likely be looking at you at this point), then smirk and turn your head back to the movie.

Rest your hand on her thigh. Move it up, but before she can react, move it back down.

Push/pull, initiate more physical but not too much.

Run your hands through her hair, grip her hair at the back of her head gently but firmly, then continue running your hands through her hair. At some point kiss her cheek then pull away with a smile.

There's SO much out there on physical escalation yet you seem to be happy to let her be the initiator of physicality, too scared that she'll run away from you if you escalate.

Even when I was the most beta of betas with my first girlfriend I would never have got stuck in a "kiss my forehead" loop.

This is probably a troll, but physical escalation is something that if done well makes the girl instantly at ease with you, not tense and nervous. Even the most nervous and inexperienced of girls.

Also, I'm not sure that you can pull it off, but I've actually told girls before, "look, I like you and I'm attracted to you, but we're not going to do anything you're not comfortable with, so come on let's go do XXX activity" in situations where they've pulled back because we'll be at my house or isolated in some other manner.

Hey man -

Definitely not a troll. But it's been a weird situation because I knew the older sister and she told me the first night when we went out "don't take her back to your place"!. Knowing the older sister and the fact that the younger one tells her everything mind fucked me a little bit in terms of escalating.

A lot of what you said about the kino I've done not the whole lot but I've done a lot. First point, I like to call her a big baby in a fun way. We had a close up staring match with both of us up close and smirking and then we pulled away. But both times she's been round with that level of comfort and kino, the 17 year old cousin has been half a meter away. I don't get that. She's been completely at ease and comfortable with me physically, not nervous apart from the first time. First time she ran into apartment, grabbed basketball and ran outside, yeah she was nervous as hell. Second time, she brought younger cousin (don't know if family sent her or what), and what laying on my abs watching movie with my hand on her waist, third time she came next day but was sick and sat away from me, and fourth time was much more comfort/physical escalation but again younger cousin half a meter away.

It depends when she's free because she works a lot and she's waiting for her schedule for next week to see when works best, but the ideal for me is food/drinks near my place and then back to mine for a movie or basketball rather than a beach/bike ride type of date that she might want.

Post: #25

Spoke to a guy I know that knows the family and culture.

Essentially he said in terms of their nationality, there is a majority that are sluts and a minority that are serious and don't have sex unless they are in serious relationships. He said this family are all massively serious.

He said get banging out of my head. And that's where I went wrong with the logistics and getting frustrated. That's why she was uncomfortable coming to my place alone because she's most likely a virgin and from a very serious family. I told him about getting up close with the staring match on my couch and told him the younger cousin was next to us, and he said "so what, you should have kissed her". I was viewing kissing and banging in the same stage and thought how can I bang with the younger cousin here but he said forget banging.

He said don't bring her to yours again yet. Take her out. Take her out on an afternoon date, an adventure date. In public. He said kino like you've been doing, build the tension, and kiss her in public like when sitting on a bench or a wall by the beach/sea. Take her back to her home. Then kiss her again when you drop her off. Go slow. Build it up, get her comfortable kissing on the lips not at your home, then after a few weeks bring her to your home. Kiss her again if she gives the go ahead but move slow.

I think he's right. If I see myself dating her longer term, which I do, then he's right. Slowly slowly catch monkey, especially if she's inexperienced, a likely virgin and from a serious family who don't hook up easily. No wonder it took so long to build trust and get her out. She told me before on messages "I hope I can trust you", and now told me after we went out "I trust you" and I think it's because I didn't try and bang the first few times. I've built comfort and trust now, and it's just slowly escalating.