Post: #1

So i have plans to visit kiev, ideally for wife hunting but if not, just ONS and daygame.

As some of you know i have complained about how pain in the ass is online game with ukrainien women, but have managed to do some selection and have a few candidates ready.

Theres one that is being a challenge for me to read her and that i like more than the others.

In my profile right now i say how im looking to meet someone for LTR. I start talking to this girl, hotter than the others and more interesting to me. Apparently shes looking for LTR too.

Girl looks very decent, good profession, doesnt show off like a slut in photos, speaks english really well and of course is beautiful. We can speak about anything, make jokes and is one of the few that keeps chatting after days. I add her on favorites and she adds me on hers too.

So fast forward some days after. I ask her to exchange phones and she replies "Yes I may add you also on instagram if you want. Because soon I think I will delete from this chat". Before this she used to come online frequently on the dating app, but since we exchanged numbers she barely uses it (from being online many times a day, to once every few days).

So, instagram is pretty clean. Low amount of followed/followers, very normal photos, not trying to pose like a model. Has housewife hobbies. My interest raises.

The thing is, i dont know if she is busy or "hot and cold". Sometimes she will keep talking and asking questions, and then she will randomly read and take hours to reply (sometimes whole day or until i write again hours later). We talk more specially at night, send photos of what we do or how the day went, some voice notes....

Things in my favor, she would like to move broad near the sea, like where i live. Also loves my language and tries to learn words (sometimes answers in short sentences in spanish), have things in common... but not sure if she sees me as a friend or like a ltr candidate. Its hard to test these things online because the physical part isnt there, so how can i know if im wasting time? Am i focusing too much on chat frequency as an indicator of interest?

Detail: she setup her profile as she is in Kiev, but is actually from far away. Initially she knows my plan is to go to Kiev, and she would go to visit her brother but doesnt know when. I could offer to visit her hometown in case she is hoping for it or sees it like some commitment on my side, but bringing it up would reveal my intentions maybe too fast... Traveling to her hometown would be way cheaper than Kiev for me but have no B plans.... yet.

Post: #2

Rule #1 with girls is to never be the one who is more emotionally invested.

You don't even know this girl (No, talking to her online doesn't count) and you are already heavily invested in her. No matter how "traditional" or good girl she is I can assure you she is talking to more people, so don't feel like you found the one when you don't even know her in real life man.

You shouldn't even state you are looking for a LTR online even if that is your end goal. Wife hunting seems like a terrible idea to me but I leave that up to you.

You are her pen pal for now, nothing more.

Post: #3

(04-10-2019 10:33 AM)Tinder Scientist Wrote:  Rule #1 with girls is to never be the one more emotionally invested.

You don't even know this girl (No, talking to her online doesn't count) and you are already heavily invested in her. No matter how "traditional" or good girl she is I can assure you she is talking to more people, so don't feel like you found the one when you don't even know her in real life man.

You shouldn't even state you are looking for a LTR online even if that is your end goal. Wife hunting seems like a terrible idea to me but I leave that up to you.

Im sure im not the only, its normal.

When i say interested in me, i dont mean in a romantical way... but they say ukrainian girls are friendly even if they have no interest in you. So i want to know if im friendzoned without knowing. Im guessing that at least im physically attractive to her, no?

Post: #4

If you are asking these questions it's usually not a good sign.

Also if you are not meeting her IRL anytime soon and she has not given you obvious hints she finds you attractive, I would say it is incredibly likely she loses interest in you.

What you are doing is the opposite of game and incredibly exhausting and time wasting.

If you want a better plan for your travels it should be something like this:

-Plan your trip location independently of any girl you meet online.
-Pipeline 2 weeks max before you leave for your trip. (If you pipeline too early, things will usually fizzle out)
-Do not heavily invest into a conversation with one girl, instead quickly filter for the ones who are actually interested in meeting you.

By the time you leave for your trip you should have enough girls that you will have the luxury to choose who you spend your time with. Also once you meet them IRL you realize most people are really different compared to how they portray themselves online. Bad personality traits and red flags are extremely easy to hide online, not so much in person.

Post: #5

(04-10-2019 10:47 AM)Tinder Scientist Wrote:  If you want a better plan for your travels it should be something like this:

-Plan your trip location independently of any girl you meet online.
-Pipeline 2 weeks max before you leave for your trip. (If you pipeline too early, things will usually fizzle out)
-Do not heavily invest into a conversation with one girl, instead quickly filter for the ones who are actually interested in meeting you.

By the time you leave for your trip you should have enough girls where you will have the luxury to choose who you spend your time with. Also once you meet them IRL you realize most people are really different compared to how they portray themselves online. Bad personality traits and red flags are extremely easy to hide online, not so much in person.

Ok this is what i needed to read. First time traveling alone so didnt know how to plan it.

Post: #6

(04-10-2019 10:04 AM)luigi Wrote:  The thing is, i dont know if she is busy or "hot and cold". Sometimes she will keep talking and asking questions, and then she will randomly read and take hours to reply (sometimes whole day or until i write again hours later). We talk more specially at night, send photos of what we do or how the day went, some voice notes....

You should be the one taking "hours to reply" because you are a high value man, doing real shit in the real world.

You are not a needy dude sitting by the computer, eagerly awaiting validation from a digital girlfriend. This is not going to spike her attraction to you.

She sounds like she is gaming you, is less invested and thus has the power.

Ease up on the contact to minimum, arrange to meet several girls, then do your trip.

Don't pin all your hopes on a digital avatar, and ruin your trip from the emotional investment that may go wrong.

Good luck, and let us know how you go!

Post: #7

This is a shot in the dark, but is she by any change in kremenchug? Remember that girls can easily have many different profiles on some forum. I don’t want to start some conspiracy theories, but I recent had some bad experience in Ua

Post: #8

You haven't even met yet lol and saying all this stuff.

Do that first.

If she doesn't want to meet you, you know what they say...