I fucked up in the first date (Tinder-No kiss)

What time is it there?

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(05-04-2019 04:13 PM)PantyPeeler Wrote:  What time is it there?

11pm

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Tell her you need to get some air and you are going for a walk and ask her if she wants to join you.

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For initiating the first kiss i use the following.

After getting past some light touches, hug and verbal flirting the next escalation is a kiss.

I get right up in her space loom her boldly in the eye and say.... "do you want to kiss me!"

If yes or pause.... Just kiss her.

If no, "i didnt say you could, i was just asking if you wanted too." with a smirk.

If I get a no and use above response thne I move back to flirting touching hugging negging etc.

Then try again...

Do you wan to kiss me now!

This time I dont wait for an answer I just grab her and kiss her.

If she doesnt kiss at this point I ditch her and look for an alternative.

Women will fuck perceived alphas on the first date. Be an alpha barbarian caveman. Kiss on first date then keep escalating as far as possible.

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(05-05-2019 06:32 AM)Iconoclast007 Wrote:  For initiating the first kiss i use the following.

After getting past some light touches, hug and verbal flirting the next escalation is a kiss.

I get right up in her space loom her boldly in the eye and say.... "do you want to kiss me!"

If yes or pause.... Just kiss her.

If no, "i didnt say you could, i was just asking if you wanted too." with a smirk.

If I get a no and use above response thne I move back to flirting touching hugging negging etc.

Then try again...

Do you wan to kiss me now!

This time I dont wait for an answer I just grab her and kiss her.

If she doesnt kiss at this point I ditch her and look for an alternative.

Women will fuck perceived alphas on the first date. Be an alpha barbarian caveman. Kiss on first date then keep escalating as far as possible.

Ive used a very similar strategy, with great success, for years. That strategy has become too much of a pc hot button, here in the sates anyway, so I wont use it nowadays. Im glad to here its still alive and well !

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(05-02-2019 07:07 PM)AOCs Missing Boyfriend Wrote:  

(05-02-2019 06:19 PM)PantyPeeler Wrote:  

(05-02-2019 04:00 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

(05-02-2019 02:05 PM)PantyPeeler Wrote:  Better yet, scout the area earlier in the day and find a reasonably clean dumpster. As you and your date walk past have your keys in your hand and also an empty bottle or can. Throw the can in and "accidentally" let your keys fly in as well. Convince her this is your only set and motion that you will give her a boost so she can climb in to retrieve keys. Climb in after her and proceed to bang.

Bonus points if you preposition a dirty mattress.

Extra bonus points if you use a second hand condom from the dumpster instead of having the expense of a fresh one.

Only Betas spend money on bangs.

Dont laugh. You'd be surprised at all the stuff you can find in dumpsters. Growing up in NYC, me and my friends would sometimes hang out in this one dumpster. It was behind a fancy chocolates makers store. We'd sit in there stuffing our faces while bees swarmed all around. #Paradise

Back on topic. You sometimes gotta think outside the box and take advantage of the situation. Back in the day, this one chick used to love to constantly fuck. I was her hero one night when we were making out and I grabbed her hand and walked her behind the bar (alley) and banged her in the cab of a work truck that was parked there. She thought it was "so risky" but I knew the truck was parked there for the night.

Girls love that kind of stuff. Me, Ive sort of outgrown it but am always seeing places where I think would be a good place to bang.

Man, onetime I found a case of wine in the dumpster, unopened. 9 bottles of wine, 30 bucks a pop. Best dumpster find ever. I took that shit to people's houses for dinner parties, and neglected to tell them I literally pulled it out of the dumpster.

Not many things are more primal hunter/gatherer than that anymore.

That wine was probably ripped of by kitchen staff/waiter from a nearby restaurant. Only you got to it first. #SCORE I dont often dumpster dive because its "icky and gross and just too eeeewww.." but when my job brings me into industrial areas I sometimes cant control the urge to scout out a few.

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Sounds like you are doing fine, she is into you.No need to stress too much about a daytime date/"meet up" that didn't end in a kiss. I've had plenty where we didn't kiss (daytime quick coffee type "date") and the 2nd/3rd meet we fucked..

The second meet you should have set up the timing better (drive to the mountain or beach with views was a great idea, but you should have done it later in the evening if possible). 9pm and later and it's just easier for sex to happen, and she knows when she agrees to meet up later it's more likely that it will happen. Outdoor sex or car sex is risky and fun, you just have to lead to it... perhaps a little walk and or share a little weed/booze.. watch the sunset...once it's dark your chances of leading to sex go way up... (I want to show you something, you have to see the view, come for a walk with me it's so nice out... You don't have to specifically tell her where you are driving to or taking her either)...

You have some limiting views: you can have sex with her in your car, or outside on the beach, in a park, on a hike/ nature trail... the alley suggestion might be a little extreme (it definitely applies more towards (same night meet) night game or after you take the girl out to a bar, perhaps....if you have no options and can't take her to your place....it CAN work and sure the risk/public sex thing is a turn on for most girls..but it's not necessary to try it as a beginner. Though I've used it successfully when a girl had friends back at the bar she wasn't willing to ditch to come home with me, for example..



But your next step is to work on your escalation, it's not important worry so much about how the kiss went or whether on not it was a real makeout or whatever. Get more physical and keep pushing forward unless she specifically tells you not to. rub her shoulders or leg, play with her hair, her neck. next thing you know you'll be able to slip your hand down her pants and finger her a little. do this right and she will be down to fuck you anywhere

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(05-05-2019 04:22 PM)dirty_old Wrote:  Sounds like you are doing fine, she is into you.No need to stress too much about a daytime date/"meet up" that didn't end in a kiss. I've had plenty where we didn't kiss (daytime quick coffee type "date") and the 2nd/3rd meet we fucked..

The second meet you should have set up the timing better (drive to the mountain or beach with views was a great idea, but you should have done it later in the evening if possible). 9pm and later and it's just easier for sex to happen, and she knows when she agrees to meet up later it's more likely that it will happen. Outdoor sex or car sex is risky and fun, you just have to lead to it... perhaps a little walk and or share a little weed/booze.. watch the sunset...once it's dark your chances of leading to sex go way up... (I want to show you something, you have to see the view, come for a walk with me it's so nice out... You don't have to specifically tell her where you are driving to or taking her either)...

You have some limiting views: you can have sex with her in your car, or outside on the beach, in a park, on a hike/ nature trail... the alley suggestion might be a little extreme (it definitely applies more towards (same night meet) night game or after you take the girl out to a bar, perhaps....if you have no options and can't take her to your place....it CAN work and sure the risk/public sex thing is a turn on for most girls..but it's not necessary to try it as a beginner. Though I've used it successfully when a girl had friends back at the bar she wasn't willing to ditch to come home with me, for example..



But your next step is to work on your escalation, it's not important worry so much about how the kiss went or whether on not it was a real makeout or whatever. Get more physical and keep pushing forward unless she specifically tells you not to. rub her shoulders or leg, play with her hair, her neck. next thing you know you'll be able to slip your hand down her pants and finger her a little. do this right and she will be down to fuck you anywhere

def I will need to escalate more the next time

I will text her in a couple days asking to come to my house this weekends for "netflix & shill" . Since I will be alone the whole weekend, then I will try to escalate there.

But my questions right now are... when Do I text her? I only go back to my place this weekend, so there are still 6 days left. Should I simply not text her till maybe wednesday and then I text her out of the blue to ask her to come to my house this weekend? I dont really have anything near my house like bars, or stuff like that, so I was planning to get some drinks/pizza + netflix and escalate from there.

She lives literally 3 minutes by walk apart from me in the city im currently in. But idk im busy during the week ,so for me it would be better just to wait till the weekend...

I suck at texting, so I try to limit it to logistics

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You want specifics and it really doesn't matter when you text/call her etc.

If you're not going to see her for a week, a strategy might be to send any random pic (something funny, animal/s, inside joke or connection between you, or scenic pretty view w/ "thinking of you", something fun/cool you did or whatever). I am personally not a fan of memes but maybe that would work too. Do this tue/wed ish.

Then since you can't/ don't want to see her...it doesn't make sense to get into some pointless back and forth texting . just ignore anything she says / don't respond until set up logistics 1 day or whenever later.

Unless she pushes to hang then you should set the hang out asap (meet her after 9pm same or next day) and try to fuck her at her place or in your car or in the park or whatever. You have some limiting beliefs to push through- sex or seduction doesn't happen in any certain pattern, place, or routine, it can happen fast & unpredictably.

Then for a weekend date I'd text or call & set up the "date" 2-3 days in advance. I'm not sure if you meant that you'd text "chill" specifically, but I wouldn't say explicitly "netfilx & chil" myself (the chill is implied). I'd mention a specific dumb show or something, (as netflix & chill and all it's relatives are just too over used & played out). By leaving out chill, you get all the benefit (netflix implicitly means she comes over agreeing that it's likely you will be having sex), and she's probably heard it all so it sure wouldn't hurt to set yourself aside as different from other guys who used that line on her in her mind. Your region, age group etc might be different, and netflix & chill might make sense

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I dont know what youve been texting her up to this point but "Netflix and chill" is basically saying "lets fuck". Whatever youve been doing seems to be working. If you havent been texting her sexually charged messages, I would primarily focus on the food you plan on sharing with her. Act excited about it.

They above advice about sending her a funny pic or SHORT funny video clip is a good one.

She apparently likes the fact that you are coming off as not needy, so dont mess that up (very important).

However, she is on tinder so I would at least message her every other day or so, opening up the possibility of her inviting you over, without seeming to care what her reply is.

Easy stuff like "Im going for drink" or coffee, "Im going for a walk "or drive, quickly followed by a "come with me" implies a quick mini date and opens the possibility of an invite.

If she doesnt respond in a timely fashion, dont send another text that day. If she says she cant, simply reply with a smiley face or a "k" and leave it at that.

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Text her to join you for a walk... Dont ask, assume the close "lets go for a walk, meet me outside your place in 10 mimutes.".... (If she doesnt agree, ignore her for a few days.) While walking, kiss her sometime enroute. Change venue to pizza place you mentioned kiss her again and grab some ass or titty, then bring her home for netflix and cool music 2nd venue change to escalate and for the bang.

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You’re focusing on the negatives instead of the positive - yes your anxiety get the better but think about this

First date in months;

1) you venue changed, she wanted the kiss, you wanted it but didn’t have an initiator in your armour, if you had one it would have happened. There was lots of kino going on

2) she wanted you in the house, again you had an “excuse barrier” so there wasn’t any LMR

3) you’ve got another date lined up so you can next her if you want too and not lose any sleep

for initiating the make out, the kiss doesn’t start with locking lips, it starts with some kind of hand gesture or one liner. But never ask permission to kiss, it should be implied by her signals, that you could read (another positive) move your hand up to her vulnerable area - neck, jawline etc or stroke the hair. It’s not macho but that can come later - most girls would be uncomfortable with a dominated kiss first time in public

For the “greeting past the gate” as I call it - the last line of defence, just have a couple of stock lines or during the conversation at the bar make a mental note (she like X film, “I’m gonna need proof that you have a copy”)

If you’ve seen quantum of solace think about the part where Bond is in the hotel room and asks her to help him find “the err, stationary”

She knows it you know it but mentally it allows you to both get past that barrier

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New Update:

Since she lives with her parents while in the city I intend to bang her, she says that she is not sure if they will let her go to my home during the weekend for a sleepover (I just asked her to come, she assumed the sleepover), but she will try to lie to em and tell em shes staying somewhere else since she wants to come. (pretty good attraction sign if u ask me)

I will see her anyway this weekend (I cant earlier because of our schedules) ,if she cant come over the night I will move the date to the afternoon and I will simply go for an afternoon bang in my house, I would have prefered the typical netflix + dinner date since it seems way easier, Its more difficult to find and excuse to drink and "let it happen" during the daytime. Not sure how will I pull it tbh. But anyway I can feel shes down to it.

Shes responding really good while texting
I just said:

Me: How have u been doing this week?
She: Its been fine, now even better since u are writting to me
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and im doing nothing special, feels strange after all my fucks up , maybe I did smtng right at one point.

PD: But at this point ive the feeling ive to push for the bang ASAP. Problem is, tomorrow im busy , thursday shes going tothe cinema or smtng im busy too, friday shes leaving to the city where I pretend to bang her... So I dont really have a chance till this weekend, unless I push really hard but I could fuck it up more.. So I guess I will stick to the weekend plan (and hope she comes during the night(?) ) , and i will see what happens. I will text her again this Thursday just to ask her how was the movie that shes going to see and see what she says from there.

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UPDATE : Shes coming to my house tomorrow afternoon for some swimming pool and well... just coming
I'll have to escalate like crazy

Any advice for that? Shes coming directly there without any previous opportunity to escalate. So it will all be at home

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^Just follow this as closely as possible;

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Final update: She came home, I escalated as i could with my null experience, ended up "banging" her . I quote baging because I couldnt get my dick hard , fuck my life. I was nervous as fuck (I was virgin until a couple hours ago), barely did some penetrations, I worked down there with my mouth like if I knew what the fuck was I doing(based porn). After a lot of effort I gave up, she proceded to suck my dick. I can say that she was good at it, but I couldnt finish (I didnt fap for 2 days prior to this) . I was extremely nervous.... Summarizing the sex was so weird.

She said she wants to see me again anyway, So I hope I can finish next time.

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Good job bro !!! Apparently, after reading other threads on here, not nutting will make you some kind of sexual Tyrannosaurus Rex.

You'll be much less nervous next time, especially if its with the same gal. Id suggest no fap/no porn for the time being. At least no porn. Best thing is to not worry about technique and just focus on enjoying it for you, seriously. As you get more experience you can add some moves that you like.

That link PapayaTapper gave you has tons of great advice.

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(05-11-2019 02:19 PM)ThisIs Wrote:  Final update: She came home, I escalated as i could with my null experience, ended up "banging" her . I quote baging because I couldnt get my dick hard , fuck my life. I was nervous as fuck (I was virgin until a couple hours ago), barely did some penetrations, I worked down there with my mouth like if I knew what the fuck was I doing(based porn). After a lot of effort I gave up, she proceded to suck my dick. I can say that she was good at it, but I couldnt finish (I didnt fap for 2 days prior to this) . I was extremely nervous.... Summarizing the sex was so weird.

She said she wants to see me again anyway, So I hope I can finish next time.

Good luck. Relax. Remember even if you don't take it any further, just stop for a moment to appreciate how far you've come even to get to this point. Probably a few months ago you were wondering if getting to this level was even possible.

Always be closing, but never lose sight of where you came from and where you're going.

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