Post: #1

For long term benefit, and with the goal of meeting the hottest light skinned Asian women (as well as business opportunities), which language would one be better off learning in the next 5-10 years: Chinese or Vietnamese?

I narrowed down these two countries because it seems Japan and Korea are out of the question due to racism and discrimination. Mongolia, there is no benefit to learning their language as far I can see. That only leaves Vietnam and China.

But China seems iffy at this point. Nobody knows what President Xi is going to do, or how foreigners will be received in 5 years, let alone 10 years. He'll probably declare war and make a grab for Taiwan or Japan. From what I gather now, all foreigners are quickly becoming public enemy numero uno in the mainland these days.

So is Vietnam the future? If one wanted access to the highest talent in Asia before the window closes, should they start learning Vietnamese, or is Chinese still a safe bet?

Post: #2

I'd say Vietnam has far more small business opps for foreigners. It's basically China 30 years ago. You can own businesses outright in most industries now here. They're rolling out the red carpet for foreign investment. Visas are also easy for an American at least. Can get a 1yr business visa for $250. No documentation required.

As for talent, VN is generally considered to have the best looking women in the region. I haven't been to China but have encountered loads of Chinese tourists. Northern Viet women look a lot like them.

Post: #3

With the 1 child policy, I think Chinese is a good strategy if you are looking for a man rather than a woman.

Post: #4

I've spent close to 3 years in Vietnam at this point, all in Saigon and I do think if you could speak the language you could go out of the city and absolutely crush it with Vietnamese women. The other side of that is i've never had a problem having a harem or getting girls without speaking it and the language is hard and sounds terrible and grating to me, not sure if i'll ever get used to it.

Post: #5

(05-24-2019 06:34 AM)PsychedelicTaser Wrote:  I've spent close to 3 years in Vietnam at this point, all in Saigon and I do think if you could speak the language you could go out of the city and absolutely crush it with Vietnamese women. The other side of that is i've never had a problem having a harem or getting girls without speaking it and the language is hard and sounds terrible and grating to me, not sure if i'll ever get used to it.

The Hanoi accent sounds much better in all honesty. The souther dialect common in HCMC is grating and unsexy.

I'm probably a level 3 at the language. It's just crazy difficult to learn the tones coming from a non tonal language like English.

Post: #6

(05-24-2019 07:34 AM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 06:34 AM)PsychedelicTaser Wrote:  I've spent close to 3 years in Vietnam at this point, all in Saigon and I do think if you could speak the language you could go out of the city and absolutely crush it with Vietnamese women. The other side of that is i've never had a problem having a harem or getting girls without speaking it and the language is hard and sounds terrible and grating to me, not sure if i'll ever get used to it.

The Hanoi accent sounds much better in all honesty. The souther dialect common in HCMC is grating and unsexy.

I'm probably a level 3 at the language. It's just crazy difficult to learn the tones coming from a non tonal language like English.

I find the northern accent a buzzkill and too masculine and rough sounding.The southern accent sounds some smooth and sexy where they try to prolong the sound at the end like when they say "anh oi"

The southern accent sounds way sexier and better in my opinion. If I were to get myself a wife, she most likely would be from the south or if she was from the north, I would make her learn how to speak with a southern accent, like I did with one of my plates.

Post: #7

In country, Vietnamese definitely.

It's a unique skill, and a country with lots of opportunities a Westerner can still seize. China is only going to get worse, due to state-encouraged xenophobia and the trend towards hiring connected locals no matter your unique skills.

In the West? Chinese, due to the tonnes of Chinese university student and high class migrants.

Post: #8

Very interesting thread. Transsimian, can you be more specific about what opportunities you are thinking about?

Post: #9

I think learning language is used a little flippantly. It’s taken me years just getting fluent in Spanish. How long would it take to learn these?

Post: #10

Learning Chinese is a long endeavor if you want to speak well. Reading is another level of difficulty.

But there are huge cities with millions of young women. Its alright return on investment but not as good as Spanish.

How many hot girls in Vietnam? Maybe more in just Shanghai.

Post: #11

I've been learning Mandarin for maybe 1500 hours now (without ever living in China though) but have difficulty to figure out how to capitalize on this skill (between HSK4-5 currently). In the beginning I dreamed about living in China but as you said the political climate is getting too stacked against foreigners now. It might not be an issue for a 1 year English teaching fling but I'm looking for something longer term. Even Taiwan and Hong Kong are getting increasingly oppressed by CCP. Other places with large Chinese populations like Malaysia and Singapore are practically English speaking so no benefit there unless you are seriously fluent.

What it comes to girls, sure even basic language skills opens some doors with Mainland girls with bad English, however the ROI turns really bad after going beyond basic skills (say 100 hours). Your time is better spent focusing on money, fitness, social skills etc. There's 10s of millions of Chinese girls with passable English, and in my experience they are more pleasant to be around anyway (it's a simple passive filter for their education, intelligence and attitude against western people and culture).

I've dabbled with Vietnamese too but it's such a risky investment unless you know for sure that you want to stay in the country. At least Mandarin has some potential use outside of China as well.

Post: #12

Vietnamese for me all the way. While I don't disagree that its not as nice sound as Chinese, I think its as you pointed out one of the last remaining bastions of beautiful traditional women. As PsychedelicTaser states you could clean up outside of the big cities, but again I think it holds much more water if you actually enjoy VN as a country and plan some long term stays there. My current situation I will be lucky if I can make the 24 hour plane ride back and forth every other month, but thats just life sometimes.

I'd love to make a dent in China but the way the political tides are turning Vietnam is just a much better bet.

Post: #13

If you think that Japan and Korea are racist, then you are really going to struggle in Vietnam and especially China.
While it is true that Japan and Korea are closed cultures, at least the Japanese are super polite and courteous in everything they do.
The Chinese on the other hand are rude, ignorant and treat everybody outside their immediate social circle with contempt.
Xenophobia is heavily institutionalised and the rulers encourage overt jingoism, especially towards the Japanese, but against all non Han in general.
The number of attacks on foreigners with Chinese gfs is growing rapidly, and while you might not hear terms like Yang Kong Ju, you will hear talk of gold diggers and passport hunters.
While Mandarin is useful for picking up Chinese girls in tourist hotspots, it is not an essential like it is in Lijiang or Hangzhou.
Finally, you are never going to get a green card, no matter how good your Chinese is. Speaking is easy but learning to read and write will take you a good ten years, if you can go at the same speed as a local. It probably will not improve your job prospects very much either.
Asia has had its day. If I were young again, this time around I would be studying Swahili or Amharic.

Post: #14

I know an ex-USAF pilot who has a sweet Viet wife and a lovely daughter living on the Viet coast. He enjoys his life.

The way he put it, "You will never know what is going on.. Its got to the point when I'm dealing with my wife's family that all I know is - whatever they're telling me -whatever I find out on my own ... is guaranteed to be not even half the truth."

In the 2nd tier where I was and the provinces especially the people are mob handed and a foreigner is a bona fide shock to their senses. Newly moved here Russian guy is finding out that if he meets a local girl for a date then they will be treated as pariahs. The other night I was getting stones thrown at me. Russian guy describes it as "like being an animal in a cage".

They just constantly abuse and harass, not the landlord nor the employer but pretty much everyone else. Ive had to wait on the road for somebody and Jesus Christ.. that is an exercise in people circling me on bikes, yelling, throwing shit - just a bunch of savage cunts.

Every day. The whole cafe, restaurant, bar going silent when I walk in. Find a corner and if I look up every one at is staring at me - the older they are the more unhappy with my presence. The younger ones just point, and chuck shit and laugh.

If I tell the locals I know about the things that happen to me they pretend they can't understand or that it isn't possible. I've found that if I drink with them and >genuinely let go< of all the targeted abuse and just tell it back to them as a humorous story that I don't care about ... then they drop their defensiveness and get incensed "How could someone treat you like that?"

Well.. it was your cousin/ you were there/ it was you..

My landlord gave me a lecture about being too closed recently. "Your door should be open 70% of the time."
If I don't sit and drink and get blind with the same people I had drinks with the day before then I get fireworks over my wall.
They drink with each other all day every day. Work on each others houses and projects all the time.
Blood brothers.

I told my landlord I was moving out. He made me promise that I wouldn't tell anyone else in our circle, just pretend I'm going on holiday, he doesn't trust any of them. Drinking buddies everyday. They've known each other since childhood.

If you came to where I am you will find 5 or 6 westerners who swear that the Vietnamese are amazing and so welcoming etc. etc. They are all alcoholics without any qualifications, dating drug addict single mothers, living with their in-laws and like frogs in a steadily warming cauldron.

The women, in the most part, are fucking awesome. So svelte and graceful and lady like. Amazing looks and figures. The wives are often sporting black eyes which they shrug off with a good natured smile and a laugh.

So OP if you get conversant in Viet you will open up a market of amazing chicas, but don't be under any illusions that your search will be anything other than an adventure.
You will be no more able to settle down and become part of the family or community than Neil Armstrong was able to settle down on the moon.

I wish you luck as I think its a great idea, I just think one will do well to recognise which areas are only hunting grounds and which areas are safe spaces where you can actually date local girls unharassed and live medium and long term.

Post: #15

^ Do you put off a socially awkward vibe? Did you get picked on a lot back home?

I know it ain't all rose scented rainbows out here, but the amount of harassing you sound to be getting is a little extreme...

Don't care where I am in the world, if people are throwing shit at me left and right and tossing fireworks at my house while I'm trying to sleep, someone is walking out of there with a black eye.

Being cautious and respectful when you're a stranger is in a foreign land is one thing. Being a complete victim curled up in the corner everywhere you go is quite another.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #16

^Its not everywhere brother.

I suffered back home for very specific reasons and I've written threads about that. But that came late in adulthood. Up till then life was just increasing annoyance of SJW-ism.
But even the other night some locals were saying to me they felt I could have taken on the hill tribespeople that chased me out of their village nearby.

I think that's horse shit. I would have been killed.

But it doesn't make sense to do anything other than, ignore.. smile.. avoid confrontation here.
I don't always take my own advice. Ive gotten stroppy and some people have visibly shat themselves. But that tends to be more with middle class gammas in the town centre. And I was foolish.

If I fought the barefoot hut dwellers in my area they would kill me, unless they decided not to..

I live in very poor farmer country in a 'politically sensitive' province where the government really doesn't let many foreigners stay. My landlord was onto me 2 nights ago that the government says I am no longer allowed to live in my house.
No actual documentary reason for that.
I'm leaving because the government are making my life too difficult. The schools here can't get teachers because the govt literally tosses their flats and kicks them out as "heroin addicts" or - I shit you not - back in 2013 - "CIA spies". < they smoked a little weed.

If it was just me they wouldn't have done it to them. In 6 months I've seen about 8 westerners come here, get a job and invest heavily and with great hope in getting a place.. and then in 3 months they've gone.

Russian newbie is tearing his hair out with the harassment. We've changed places as when he arrived he was counselling 'it can't be that bad' and now I'm leaving I'm all happy and he's depressed.

The one thing I won't do is fight people on my street. I had a whole bunch of "young buffalo'/wide-boys yelling abuse at me outside my gate and I just had to ignore it.

It is as racist as all hell here.

There's too many others going thru the same things to make it just me.
I was in 2nd tier shithole Dong Nai, that was fine in terms of harassment, can live unmolested and date locals but.. there were still utter retards on my street. IMO Compared to the provincial Thais the provincial Viets are often retards.

Like I've said in other threads, the riot police are swinging into action regularly here, people are shooting each other, o'ding on heroin, fighting in the street, acid attacks, when I was in Cambodia in 2004 there were people running across the border from this place with just the shirts on their backs. Mafia activity is lively.

My mistake was to try and live in a very poor area as a foreigner. That made me too exposed.
But at least I feel like I've seen the real Vietnam. I watch these guys toil up steep hills and labour on the hard soil under a baking sun with no shade. all day long.. and then walk home..
They sleep on a thin mattress with their wife and kids.
They feel quite entitled to rip into foreigners.

I mean yeah maybe its just me.. lets say what you're suggesting about my perspective is right and it is largely about me.. I'm quite relaxed about that part but..
OP needs to be aware of real provincial Vietnam. Other than being a visitor, passing through.. The white man and/or foreigner has no place here.

Post: #17

@Bienvenuto

Why don't you move to Saigon? It's a lot more cosmopolitan so none of that hicktown nonsense happens here.

Post: #18

(05-24-2019 09:14 AM)Transsimian Wrote:  In country, Vietnamese definitely.

It's a unique skill, and a country with lots of opportunities a Westerner can still seize. China is only going to get worse, due to state-encouraged xenophobia and the trend towards hiring connected locals no matter your unique skills.

In the West? Chinese, due to the tonnes of Chinese university student and high class migrants.

I'm also wondering why this gets overlooked as there are always tons of Chinese international students in Western cities and their English isn't the best.

If you don't like learning a new language you're welcome to come on down to Sydney or Melbourne over in Australia where there are also a lot of light skinned Vietnamese and Chinese girls. Do keep in mind that the Australian born ones talk and act like Aussie dudes.



Ignore the internet meme posts on the LGs of Sydney and Melbourne Facebook page and you can see the quality of the Chinese and Vietnamese girls there.

Even the Chinese and Vietnamese Australians don't integrate well with the Chinese from China and likely Vietnamese from Vietnam.

Post: #19

Good thread topic...

Sorry if I missed it, but for Bienvenuto, what is your level of Vietnamese language ability?