Post: #1

Im stuck in an airport with all this Qantas chaos, so I thought I would get this post up. Been meaning to do it for a while just have not had the time, but the other sugar dating thread reminded me to do this.

I posted something similar on another forum over a year ago now. There were a few of us who conducted a social experiments of sorts on niche dating websites to see what sort of response one would get from gold diggers, fetish sites, hookup sites, etc. I trolled a sugar baby website because I dont like fat whales in leather or single moms. It was a bit of an insight into the way these type of women think and t I thought I would share my experiences in particular.

The old forum is gone (Rollo Tommassi has turned it into a blog) which is a pity because I could have just linked it.

Now granted these women are one step removed from hookers, but many are the sorts of chicks we run into at clubs, bars and on the street all the time. And I also believe that a hell of a lot of women would do this if they could do it discreetly. Most are your typical club sluts and party girls along with college students trying to pay their way through school.

There were some interesting things that came from this though, and there may (or may not) be lessons you can take from this. Its female psychology that applies to situations that dont even involve money too, money just happens to be their motivation. If a womans motivations were your looks, bad boy rep, etc the response would be quite similar in its own way. Its really is just an insight into their response as what they perceive to be a very, very high status male based on their particular requirements.

The website used was seekingarrangement.com and its like a dating website really. Just one where the chicks are looking to arrange holidays or paid monthly arrangements.

Here was my profile, which was quite demanding. My troll was based in California, net worth over $10 million, age was 33. Profile said I was athletic.

Quote:Description of me


Outgoing, confident guy who does not have the time for a serious, committed relationship. I am very active and love exercise. I travel quite a bit for work and it would be great to take some company along from time to time.

Interested in business, history, sports and travel. No children.

Chemistry is very important to me, but I am not looking for love or a fully committed relationship. I do have an unusual requirement though, hence the reason for me being here

Description of arrangement

I am looking for an attractive lady that is into women. Genuinely bisexual with a real attraction to women and men. While I would prefer to have one lady as my primary mistress I would like to spice things up for the both of us from time to time. These are arrangements and decisions you make or we make together. Sometimes you can surprise me, sometimes we can agree and arrange together, as these are personal.

You are free to move on at any time, and you are also free to date if you like. I understand something like this should not come in the way of you finding the right person. There would be a few requirements I would have, like no men at my apartment, but this could be discussed in more detail if we meet and do get on quite well.

What I am prepared to offer

1 - I will see you twice maybe three times a week, probably staying for the night, but rarely will it be on the weekend and if it is, it will be for one night only.

2 - I will pay a personal allowance of $1500 a week for you to use as you wish. Cash, this will be kept off the books.

3 - You can accompany me on business trips from time to time if time permits and you dont have too many commitments.

4 - A weekly entertainment allowance of $750 will be provided too, which will cover out of pocket expenses when you are looking to spice things up

I am looking for

1 - Attractive, fit and healthy woman who is feminine and under 30. You need to look after yourself, both physical health and mind. I have a preference for slim or athletic women

2 - Woman who is either bi sexual or bi curious.

3 - No kids

4 - Discreet. Both of us would like this I am sure

What came from it, other than the whole exercise proving that Roissy is so fucking right its scary:

1. The average quality was high.

There were a few fatties and war pigs on the site, the vast majority were easy 6's and above. Its packed to the rafters with 8's though and typically the quality you would not expect to be caught dead on a dating website. Many of the women who contacted me were solid 7.5's and 8's, with the odd 9 sprinkled in.

Lesson: Women, deep down, know that their looks count more than anything else. There a clear correlation between good looking women and money. The women on the site generally seem to know and understand that their looks are all that really matters and you can see it from what they demand compensation wise. For all the female rationalisations in the world, they know as much as we do that looks matter more than anything else they bring to the table.

2. The women were very aggressive

I had women sending me mobile numbers in their first message. Many emailed through private pictures first time round. Almost all of them chased up if I sent them a message and they really pushed hard for a meet. They initiated contact and I imagine this is what it must be like for women on normal dating websites where they are the prize.

Lesson: Their interest level will always dictate the amount of effort they will put into something. If you are what she wants she is not going to play too hard to get especially if she knows she is competing against other attractive women. Granted, most men are not coming with a pay check and it amplifies the outcome, but it confirms yet again how interest level can be measured. The higher up the totem poll you are, the more likely she is to suck on your toes to keep you happy

3. Cougars resort to blatant whoring

The older they get, the sluttier and more "sexed up" their profiles and messages get. Most of the time, hardcore messages and borderline explicit profiles are almost always women over 35. Its actually laughable because you are seeing a gold digger who should have gone into retirement put out all the stops to land another whale. She does this by whoring it up.

Lesson: You dont need hardcore game for older whores, you just need to pay them some attention. They are easier to date not because they are mature and stable, but because they are desperate and lonely. Desperate women are lonely women and lonely women are far lower maintenance because they have no fucking options, not because they are mature and confident.

4. I was hammered

Averaged 25-30 messages a day and approached none. Chicks offering up their friends asses along with theirs. Offers to come and visit me from across the country, will bring lingerie, all sorts of shit. Just like you have men flooding women with compliments on normal dating sites trying to win them over, women were flooding me with insinuations of back breaking sex to try and win me over

Lesson: Women make themselves available to the men they really want. They will go out of their way and forgo their own comfort just to get in front of you.

5. They still rationalise everything

Even though they are selling their ass, they refuse to admit it. Most will say they are looking for a mentor. Many will say they are traditional and believe me should provide while they care for their men. Many admit they just want to be pampered (what is it with bitches and this word?) but most are looking for "genuine relationships" with mature men because they are sick of young boys

Lesson: Women are almost always delusional and live in a constant state of denial. Even when you catch them with their hands in the cookie jar they are never going to admit to any wrong doing. Always look at what they do, not what they say. Most importantly, never forget that she will almost always embellish everything to justify the decisions she made for her wrong doing. They actually believe it and convince themselves.

6. They were educated

Many of the women were your typical models and actresses. But even more were college educated and working in professional jobs. Many were also looking for assistance with college tuition. A few single moms, but not as many as you would expect. Certainly not low class trash by any stretch of the imagination, nor really desperate. Just typical hot bitches looking for a free ride in exchange for blowjobs and group sex.

Lesson:They are going to sponge off you. Be it as your sugar baby or be it as a co worker, you always pick up the slack with bitches. Whenever the going gets tough, the prettier the girl the more likely she is to resort to using her looks to help her solve her problems.

I think what it also shows though is exactly how cheap pussy is. Now for a lot of the guys here, spending 100k a year on some bitch might sound like a lot of money. It is a lot of money when you consider its more than most would earn in a year. Not to mention the stigma attached.

But if you are making 2-3 million a year, what is 100k a year? And for all the talk of game, you could have a string of 8's and 9's who are prepared to go down on chicks for you while they take it up the ass. All done with no effort whatsoever, handed to you on a platter as and when you need it.

Compare that to the cost of marriage. If you are making $2 million to $3 million a year but you were married, do you think your wife is going to fuck you like that? Are you going to be able to trade her in once every 6 months? Is she going to find other women for you to fuck? How much do you think the courts will force you to pay her in divorce settlements when all is said and done?

When it comes down to dollars and cents, the real high rollers dont need game. These sorts of women found them before the internet made it easy for them.

A few random pics I pulled from the inbox of the fake email account I setup. These were all emailed through. These are typical of what was coming through and if you visit the site you can see for yourself what sort of quality. I would say that the women below, looks wise, would represent more than 70% of the typical messages received.

First one I rate 8.5, second an 8, the rest 7's.

Post: #2

(10-31-2011 01:57 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

I read your post and all I have to say is... I would ram this chick until her vagina was too swollen for my dick to fit in it.

This is definitely an interesting read, but I remain unsure of how this applies to ALL of women.

Post: #3

The psychology remains the same, its just far more subtle and nuanced with most women because they have so many options generally. Think of this as almost putting a microscope over women to some degree. Granted, many generalisations are being made, but this really is an an all out assault. Their actions are far more obvious and they dont mask them. So you can see how they act out and what you see here can be applied to all women, they are just normally far more reserved and subtle about it all. The lessons I took from it apply to more than just money in most cases.

For example, young bucks say they are hitting on older women because they are more mature, better in bed and come with few hassles. The older women say they are mature, confident and know what they want with the whole world rejoicing in the fact that these old worn out cunts have "still got it". Younger guys rationalise fucking a prune, the prunes rationalise the ease with which they suck dick as confidence. But the fact is the only way they can compete with younger, better looking women is because they are a sure thing. Everyone ignores the elephant in the room so they can protect the fragile egos of a modern day gal.

Most older women had the sluttiest, most sexed up profiles and were the most direct when contacting me. Their blatant whoring and clear advertising of the easiest piece of ass in her entire jurisdiction is the amplified response I am talking about.

Post: #4

i wonderr how many of those women are alreeady escorts

Post: #5

HH, thanks for the info. Very interesting insights, indeed.

Post: #6

Great experiment.

Let's take your thought experiment of asking what is $100,000 to a guy making 3 million a year. That is 3.3% of his income. Do I spend 3.3% of my income related to getting laid? No doubt.

But a lot of guys have a line with chicks who want "sponsorship" where you're basically paying for a whore. If she starts expecting shit in order to put out, I have to bow out. Maybe I'll relax this line when I get older (I'm sure I'll have to), but even if I was rich now I don't think I could play that sponsorship game, even if that meant my quality was a bit less.

Post: #7

(10-31-2011 10:11 AM)Roosh Wrote:  ...But a lot of guys have a line with chicks who want "sponsorship" where you're basically paying for a whore. If she starts expecting shit in order to put out, I have to bow out. Maybe I'll relax this line when I get older (I'm sure I'll have to), but even if I was rich now I don't think I could play that sponsorship game, even if that meant my quality was a bit less.

The skilled girls (of which, there are many) are subtle enough not to straight up ask you for cash, but to set the situation up so that you VOLUNTEER your money and feel great about it at the same time. Essentially, they will put you in a situation where your cash can make her happy, or it can take away her pain.

The obvious example is the girl who comments on how much she likes a certain pair of shoes, or dress,or iphone. She NEVER asks you for it, but you figure out pretty quickly that this will make her happy, so you pick it up.

A much more effective strategy is to take away her pain. You are dating some chick, and she tells you how horrible her day went because she thinks she will have to drop out of school because she doesn't have the money. As men, we are problem solvers by nature, so we probe further and find out that her tuition is a pittance, but she is broke.

The natural inclination would be to "help" your girlfriend out with money that is really trivial to you (maybe you are rich, or she is in a third world country) but would mean the world to her. You give her the money, and she gives you the praise that lets you know that YOU are her savior and were the only one that could help her like that.

One, variation on the above theme include doing something that you believe will make it easier for you to get laid. For example, your girlfriend talks about how she can't spend the night with you or spend too much time with you because she lives with her mother, and she must live under her mother's rules. Obvious solution is to get her an apartment where the two of you can hook up regularly.

A more insidious technique is to put an indirect threat of another guy in your face (though in a manner where she is not to blame). This one happened to a buddy of mine in Colombia. Imagine you have has this girlfriend, but then she starts complaining that her boss is making sexual advances toward her and she doesn't know what to do. Maybe you play white knight and offer to talk to/threaten/beat up the boss. She tells you that you cannot do this because she will lose her job. You tell her to quit and find a new job. She tells you how tough the economy is and that it could be months before she finds a new one.

Then she just looks depressed and explains that she will probably have to just put up with it. Perhaps she throws in a few stories of her coworkers sleeping with the boss. Your brilliant solution is to tell her to quit, and that you will "help her out" with her bills while she looks for a new job. She is so grateful, because now she doesn't have to worry about being harassed (and you don't have to worry about the boss fucking your girlfriend).

I know a ton of guys that are in some variant of the above relationships.

Post: #8

Hooligan, bear in mind that these lizards can also hook these ballers by getting pregnant. That's game for lizards. The Eddie Murphy/Posh Spice or Nas/Kelis sting still has me flabbergasted.
50K per month for the child.

So it ultimately works best if the guy gets his shyt snipped because I know with one's house swarming with these 8's (the first lizard you posted is the type that can get ships to sail for war), a baller will want to hit that raw from time to time.

Many of us can achieve a similar lifestyle (merely go to a third world country where you can hit dimes for tuppence LITERALLY) so one knows what it is like to be a millionaire of pussy per se.

Post: #9

So why don't you take the experiment further and meet up with some of these girls? Play the part, dress well, meet them in an expensive hotel lobby and just act really aloof. If they're as keen as you say there is a good chance that they'll throw themselves at you.

Post: #10

2. The women were very aggressive

"I had women sending me mobile numbers in their first message. Many emailed through private pictures first time round. Almost all of them chased up if I sent them a message and they really pushed hard for a meet. They initiated contact and I imagine this is what it must be like for women on normal dating websites where they are the prize."

I've actually found this NOT to be the case. I've always had to initiate, and continue to keep dialogue alive. And when they respond, there are lots of 2 and 3 word answers, and not answering direct questions. The more attractive, the more difficult to communicate with. Many are on the site to get attention, not give it. I'll see tons of women that viewed my profile, but yet didn't initiate even minimal contact, like a wink, etc.

"Lesson: You dont need hardcore game for older whores, you just need to pay them some attention. They are easier to date not because they are mature and stable, but because they are desperate and lonely. Desperate women are lonely women and lonely women are far lower maintenance because they have no fucking options, not because they are mature and confident. "

Now THIS is VERY true. Even women that are still attractive, yet older, will be a little bolder because fewer dudes are hollering at them. If an attractive guy comes at them the right way, things progress QUICKLY. Loneliness is definitely the primary factor. When you get into serious conversation, they admit it right away - they're bored and lonely. They initiate contact a lot more, and you don't have to pull teeth to get them to communicate. These are some of the ones that give up the cell number and personal email early in the game.

5. They still rationalise everything

"Even though they are selling their ass, they refuse to admit it. Most will say they are looking for a mentor. Many will say they are traditional and believe me should provide while they care for their men. Many admit they just want to be pampered (what is it with bitches and this word?) but most are looking for "genuine relationships" with mature men because they are sick of young boys."

This is SUPER true. Women are ALWAYS looking for a potential boyfriend, even if you tell them upfront that it's going to be casual. They want to be treated like a girlfriend/wife, even if they're taking money to be a trick. Even while admitting they know looks are all they bring to the table, they still want to be treated like they have some sort of depth to them.

I think the chicks that are looking for the millionaires are more aggressive for the reason you stated - they know the competition is stiff, and there's also some desperation - it's a relatively easy way to get cash for bills and/or lifestyle that they could never attain on their own. It's the thing that really doesn't exist for most - something for practically nothing. They just have to fuck and be arm-candy - not actually work.

Post: #11

(10-31-2011 07:58 AM)endobendo Wrote:  i wonderr how many of those women are alreeady escorts

If the girl is on the site she is an escort.

A high end "escort" working for an agency in NYC may only be banging a couple of regulars a week. This isn't a game of lets see how many $10 blowjobs we can sell in a night.

Its a nice experiment but doesn't tell us anything more useful than we would learn watching an 18 year old blonde bang a hairy fat 55 year old in a gonzo porn film.

If you are an attractive wealthy guy offering to pay a girl over $100k a year, very few are going to pass up on this. Remove those three things, and its no longer a job interview for her.

Post: #12

Quote:The skilled girls (of which, there are many) are subtle enough not to straight up ask you for cash, but to set the situation up so that you VOLUNTEER your money and feel great about it at the same time. Essentially, they will put you in a situation where your cash can make her happy, or it can take away her pain.

Sounds like Pusscrook's strategy.

Post: #13

Great experiment for revealing the true nature of women.

Post: #14

I sent this to all of my rich friends.

Fantastic work.

Post: #15

That's an awesome yet extremely telling experiment HH. I am not the least surprised the least by the results. And totally agree with you that when you reach a certain level of success/money, game becomes quite irrelevant as these hot babes/bitches will come to you and look for you.
The girls are hot, specially # 3 is just stunning! You should follow through with some of these leads and meet them and try to game them to see if they would give it up. Would be interesting....

Post: #16

(10-31-2011 10:11 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Great experiment.

Let's take your thought experiment of asking what is $100,000 to a guy making 3 million a year. That is 3.3% of his income. Do I spend 3.3% of my income related to getting laid? No doubt.

But a lot of guys have a line with chicks who want "sponsorship" where you're basically paying for a whore. If she starts expecting shit in order to put out, I have to bow out. Maybe I'll relax this line when I get older (I'm sure I'll have to), but even if I was rich now I don't think I could play that sponsorship game, even if that meant my quality was a bit less.

I don't know if the percentage argument works so well. Once your basic needs are met, that's a lot of extra icing. Might as well spend your money on something you enjoy. Not my style personally, but I wouldn't put it past someone who had the resources and means to make the arrangement work. $1500 to a guy who makes $50k a year vs. $100k for a guy who makes $3M a year... it's not quite the same.

Post: #17

I was browsing the site out of curiosity and when I saw this, I couldn't believe the arrogance of that cunt!
http://www.seekingarrangement.com/detail.php?id=680523

"I am seeking a gentleman pamper me. Currently, I am seeking immediate assistance. To be frank, I will only consider a SD who is willing to provide an allowence to cover the costs of travel, tuition, rent, and living costs. Sorry, I just do not wish to waste anyone's precious time! In return, I can provide meaningful companionship and become a longterm confidant and caring friend as well.I will not consider being contracted for illicit sex. Sorry, that is not for me. Let's face it, the less you expect/demand it, the more likely it may happen."

Holly shit, is this the typical decent, not fatty american girl's attitude? Unreal!

Post: #18

(10-31-2011 06:29 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  I was browsing the site out of curiosity and when I saw this, I couldn't believe the arrogance of that cunt!
http://www.seekingarrangement.com/detail.php?id=680523

"I am seeking a gentleman pamper me. Currently, I am seeking immediate assistance. To be frank, I will only consider a SD who is willing to provide an allowence to cover the costs of travel, tuition, rent, and living costs. Sorry, I just do not wish to waste anyone's precious time! In return, I can provide meaningful companionship and become a longterm confidant and caring friend as well.I will not consider being contracted for illicit sex. Sorry, that is not for me. Let's face it, the less you expect/demand it, the more likely it may happen."

Holly shit, is this the typical decent, not fatty american girl's attitude? Unreal!

Yep.

Post: #19

I have a theory about golddiggers....

There is NO SUCH THING as "golddiggers".....just golddiggies.

Post: #20

(10-31-2011 06:29 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  I was browsing the site out of curiosity and when I saw this, I couldn't believe the arrogance of that cunt!
http://www.seekingarrangement.com/detail.php?id=680523

"I am seeking a gentleman pamper me. Currently, I am seeking immediate assistance. To be frank, I will only consider a SD who is willing to provide an allowence to cover the costs of travel, tuition, rent, and living costs. Sorry, I just do not wish to waste anyone's precious time! In return, I can provide meaningful companionship and become a longterm confidant and caring friend as well.I will not consider being contracted for illicit sex. Sorry, that is not for me. Let's face it, the less you expect/demand it, the more likely it may happen."

Holly shit, is this the typical decent, not fatty american girl's attitude? Unreal!

Wow...she doesn't consider sex to be part of "companionship?" So basically, she wants to be some older guy's daughter.

Post: #21

(10-31-2011 10:11 AM)Roosh Wrote:  But a lot of guys have a line with chicks who want "sponsorship" where you're basically paying for a whore. If she starts expecting shit in order to put out, I have to bow out. Maybe I'll relax this line when I get older (I'm sure I'll have to), but even if I was rich now I don't think I could play that sponsorship game, even if that meant my quality was a bit less.

Im in the same boat. The thought of paying for it is a bit of a mental thing I guess, although at the end of the day we are always paying for it in some capacity. Either in time, effort, emotionally or financially, we are going to pay. Still, not for me just yet either although I may be open to the idea when I am older. Im still going to want to fuck 22 year olds when Im 60, but I doubt I am going to want to have them in my life for anything else but busting a nut.

I think there would be unseen benefits of something like this though. The most important of which is that they understand the score. You are going to fuck other women and she needs to keep herself in order or she will be replaced.

I think for me what was the most interesting thing that came from this though is that it shows how women react to high status men. The sort of guy in that profile would be rare for most of them and they know it. The reaction could only be described as "beta behaviour" from a womans perspective.

No different to what sort of response a very good looking chick gets on a dating site. Tons of men fawning over her and throwing compliments her way.

Moma Wrote:Hooligan, bear in mind that these lizards can also hook these ballers by getting pregnant. That's game for lizards. The Eddie Murphy/Posh Spice or Nas/Kelis sting still has me flabbergasted.
50K per month for the child.

So it ultimately works best if the guy gets his shyt snipped because I know with one's house swarming with these 8's (the first lizard you posted is the type that can get ships to sail for war), a baller will want to hit that raw from time to time.

Many of us can achieve a similar lifestyle (merely go to a third world country where you can hit dimes for tuppence LITERALLY) so one knows what it is like to be a millionaire of pussy per se.

Damned right Im gonna be fuckin raw!!!!

I agree and disagree really. The threat of pregnancy is always looming over your head if you bang them raw. I have a problem in that as I get older Im getting lax with condoms. I always pull out, but still. If its a current fuck buddy or a gold digger, the odds of them falling pregnant to trap you are pretty much the same.

Based on what I have seen, the best way to minimise your odds is to date younger chicks!!! As soon as women hit 30 they start to approach baby making mania. If you are banging older broads you are in a far higher risk category when it comes to pregnancy. Sperm donors are not needed when they are 23 and have their "careers" ahead of them. They are most certainly needed when they are 32 and they realise that career is a crock of shit. I think that when they are younger, if they fall pregnant, its normally going to be a mistake. If they are older, its far more likely that it was calculated.

But its always a risk, I agree

With regards to having this sort of lifestyle in a third world country? Again, not unless you are paying for it. The exchange of money is actually a clincher in the whole dynamic I think. Most women are not going to be prepared to share you or have you fuck other women in front of them. Sure you might get a few that are bisexual, but you are ALWAYS dealing with quasi relationship shit. You simply cannot get away from it.

Women in third world countries are also far more conservative than the sluts in the west. Our women are always DTF and one night stands and sex only relationships are nothing unusual for them. In third world countries you have to navigate and manage your women far more I have found and they are going to be clingy.

Its almost as if paying draws a line in the sand with them. I think the only way this could be matched without cash is if you are very famous. Like Leonardo diCaprio or George Clooney type famous. They would resign themselves to the fact that there is simply no way they could contain him.

Vacancier Permanen Wrote:That's an awesome yet extremely telling experiment HH. I am not the least surprised the least by the results. And totally agree with you that when you reach a certain level of success/money, game becomes quite irrelevant as these hot babes/bitches will come to you and look for you.

I disagree with that. There is no doubt money makes it easy to pick women up and also fuck them, but if you are a useless chud with a fat wallet you are going to be taken advantage of. Women dont respect weak men no matter how good looking or wealthy they may be, so game is still important.

There is balance in everything. Money at this level is a game changer, although all it allows you to do is dictate everything on your terms. Managing that though is still going to require a way with bitches and if you have zero game you are going to have problems.

Money is a short cut, its not a long term solution to everything.

Jalous Wrote:So why don't you take the experiment further and meet up with some of these girls? Play the part, dress well, meet them in an expensive hotel lobby and just act really aloof. If they're as keen as you say there is a good chance that they'll throw themselves at you.

Dude no doubt you probably could scam your way into a few pairs of panties. I do think though that this is quite common already and you probably find that the site is packed full of posers.

Post: #22

I know a friend of mine late 20s, good looking, artistic and has a great job and he hooks up with top notch escorts from time to time. his answer "I don't want to play the bullshit game and pretend I'm interested in something more. Furthermore, it might seem expensive but it ends up costing me less in the long run emotionally and materially..."

Post: #23

When I was in college the second time, I noticed all the same things HH describes here. Except those girls were gunning for Mr. Right (Potential). All the same tactics applied if you were perceived to be that guy, even the part about the cougars (older students).

Post: #24

(10-31-2011 06:29 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  I was browsing the site out of curiosity and when I saw this, I couldn't believe the arrogance of that cunt!
http://www.seekingarrangement.com/detail.php?id=680523

"I am seeking a gentleman pamper me. Currently, I am seeking immediate assistance. To be frank, I will only consider a SD who is willing to provide an allowence to cover the costs of travel, tuition, rent, and living costs. Sorry, I just do not wish to waste anyone's precious time! In return, I can provide meaningful companionship and become a longterm confidant and caring friend as well.I will not consider being contracted for illicit sex. Sorry, that is not for me. Let's face it, the less you expect/demand it, the more likely it may happen."

Holly shit, is this the typical decent, not fatty american girl's attitude? Unreal!

Oh, it is very real.

Note how this isn't some low-rent hoodrat from the projects or the trailer park-she's an educated, middle class girl about to obtain a degree from a respected University.

These girls are in the Ivy League too. Same demands, same standards, regardless of their level of education. They come here with a plan, and make a bee-line for the shortest route to status.

For some, that means becoming sugar-babies in their spare time, having arrangements with guys off-campus. For others, it means becoming groupies for the lacrosse team. For still others, it means bee-lining it straight to a particular national fraternity the minute you hit campus and fraternizing until you get a chance to hook an alum (who is either already working on Wall Street or is at some elite grad school) on homecoming or any other event.

If you don't fit any of these bills as a guy (and 98% of dudes don't), good luck cracking those nuts. The sugar daddy and/or the alum returning on homecoming has a much lower bar to climb over. She'll throw herself at him and make herself clearly available, even while playing the tease with your relatively broke undergraduate self. You'll be climbing Everest as he marches up a bunny slope.

Unless your game is on a masterful level, you will not break through this. The power of game is weakened significantly in the presence of this social-climbing mindset with women. You might see this dynamic and beat yourself up ("damn, his game must just be way tighter! I gotta work on mine!") when in fact you never really had a chance. You won't game your way around older dudes with tangible markers of status these women value-that guy has a leg up over you every single time.

Hooligan Harry was right when he said that deep down, women recognize the centrality of their looks and youth to their value. College has been very informative for me in that I've had the pleasure of witnessing many attractive (solid 8+) girls who take this mantra to heart. They put their sexuality on total lock down and demand a very high price for it. No man stands a snowball's chance in Antigua without meeting said price, and they cut no discounts (read: they will not casually hook up or put out for any guy, even if they're attracted, without commitment from him and his having some real, tangible status).

They waste ZERO time beginning this process-it starts the minute they hit campus, and doesn't end until they either have a ring or pass their prime.

I tried to date a girl like this back in my early college days. I failed, of course, but didn't figure out why until later. It is all calculated-these girls have a plan to climb the ladder, and their sexuality is main currency to buy access further up. They don't offer it to men who can't bring them there, even if they like them-no exceptions. In some cases, these girls' mothers have been drilling this mantra of upward mobility into their heads since they hit puberty, and I don't blame them. Its a smart move.

In effect, though, if you're not a guy worthy of receiving their sexual currency, you'll see things quite like Wale does here:

Quote:Look, she so stingy with vagina
But why it open when them niggas get to shining?

A lot of the dudes on campus will sit there thinking these girls don't put out at all. They actually do, for the right price. Flash the right business card, grad school degree or fraternity membership in front of them and the rules change completely. Its like plugging a cheatcode into the PS2-shit just works automatically( so long as you're not completely gameless and do not resemble Quasimodo).

I'm not even mad. I'll sit out the show for now as I'm just a young, broke guy at the bottom of the totem pole, "paying those dues", so to speak. I simply am not capable of accessing girls like this yet. But I'm going to get mine...the time will come.

Its like the sig says...

Quote:You lose money chasing women, but you never lose women chasing money.

Stay focused and rest assured, women will follow. There is nothing they love more than the almighty dollar.

Post: #25

Great experiment, but how did you know any of these pics were real? It could've been some Rosanne Bar pulling the same game on YOU.
However, I do concede that to hook some dude with cash, they would have to actually resemble the pic.