Post: #1

I just read an article (in Danish) that said the following:

"In the capital, 32,579 women were tested for STDs, while 10,263 men were tested. However, the number of men who tested positive was twice as high as for women...

"... the study shows that 6.4 percent of women and 13.3 percent of men tested positive. The results suggest a much higher percentage of men have an STD."

The newspaper is a tabloid and they don't link to the study, so take this all with a grain of salt:

If true that the number of infected men is even higher - plausible - then this tells us all the dudes are fucking the same girls.

This is the result of hyper-feminism. Apparently, the 6.4 percent of women who are nasty sluts are fucking 2-3 guys EACH. I don't see why they should not be representative, albeit to a lesser extent, for the rest of the population. What we have is a large group of sluts fucking a lot of men. Or... a lot of guys fucking the same girls. Ewww....

If I remember correctly, results from similar studies in the US indicated the opposite (see Roissy for more info). Almost twice as many women had an STD as men. This confirms my suspicions that Danish girls are a particularly nasty breed of slut because they maintain a harem of men to service them, happily spreading their STDs around while doing so.

The REASON they do this in Denmark more than other countries is because in Denmark it is socially acceptable for a woman to have multiple partners. Women lack the moral fortitude or logical ability to discern right from wrong. Instead, they simply adjust to social norms - ie. they will do whatever everyone else is doing, and criticize whatever everyone else is criticizing, WHATEVER that may be. Men emphasize loyalty and absolute definitions of right and wrong. Women are more concerned with maintaining group cohesion and will change their opinions in order to avoid conflict and maximize harmony within the group.

However... there are still many women in this country who are not interested in long rides on the cock carousel, but gaming them is requiring increasing patience. They are becoming increasingly aware of their value vis-a-vis the armies of sluts that sally forth every weekend. Over the past half year more than a dozen long-term prospects I would've thought were promising turned out to be extremely tough nuts to crack and ended either because I lost patience or she simply decided she had enough options she didn't need me. It's actually kind of ridiculous. I'm getting more numbers and make-outs from hotter and more feminine women than before, but I'm actually getting laid less and less often.

Post: #2

This confirms what I saw in Denmark, where more guys are getting laid versus the American phenomenon where few guys are laying most of the women.

Post: #3

(12-28-2011 07:32 AM)Roosh Wrote:  This confirms what I saw in Denmark, where more guys are getting laid versus the American phenomenon where few guys are laying most of the women.

Exactly my impression - but I wasn't quite sure. I was starting to get seriously irritated why my beta friends would often have fuck-buddies yet I would find my efforts frustrated.

But if a lot of guys are fucking the same sluts, what about the rest of the girls?

I see it as a two-pronged phenomenon: 1) most guys not in relationships who are fucking are fucking the same girl. I have anecdotal and personal evidence to corroborate this 2) most quality girls, ie. feminine who are not in relationships get laid rarely, and when they do it's often an ex-boyfriend.

Post: #4

Well think about it... If 1 woman is dating 5 average guys that make average salaries ...say $40k/year, that's like her dating 1 guy that makes $200k/year.

She gets used to going out 5 times a week. Each night with a different guy picking up the tab. Eventually she wants to settle down and get married but the 1 average guy she likes can't possibly sustain her $200k/year party lifestyle that she's used to. So what's a girl to do? Complain about how there are no good men and whore it up until her 40's and settle for whatever she can get.

Misery ensues for her and her husband.

Funny thing is she doesn't have the class or intelligence to keep a $200k/year "Quality" man interested for very long.

Post: #5

Interesting. American girls can be very slutty, but I find even informal polyandry rare; they rarely have multiple men on tap for sex. If they have sex with John, and then Ed, they don't keep going back and forth between them.

You might find a woman routinely cheating on her boyfriend or husband, but even there, they only really want man, and the other one (the boyfriend/husband) is just something they have to put up with.

Was this study a random sample? Did the authors go out and find men and women, or were they drawing on the results of people who were already getting tested? If it were people already getting tested, among the men, maybe only the hardcore players are volunteering to get tested. I don't know, but there might not be enough evidence to pick one explanation over another.

Also, man to woman and woman to man transmission rates aren't necessarily identical. I'm not sure that the data is saying what you're concluding, though personal observations like yours and Roosh's are more helpful.

For the US

Quote:Of overall chlamydia diagnoses reported in 2009, the rate of infection among women was almost three times higher than the rate among men: 592.2 cases per 100,000 population compared to a rate of 219.3 among men. This is thought to be due to the higher number of women screened for chlamydia. For gonorrhea, the rate among women was 105.5 (cases per 100,000 population) compared to a rate of 91.9 among men. The rate of primary and secondary stage syphilis was higher among men - 7.8 cases (per 100,000) were reported for men in 2009, compared to 1.4 for women.

Quote:1) most guys not in relationships who are fucking are fucking the same girl. I have anecdotal and personal evidence to corroborate this 2) most quality girls, ie. feminine who are not in relationships get laid rarely, and when they do it's often an ex-boyfriend.

I think that's reasonable. Even if a girl has 15 partners, that means she's only banging a new guy every few months at most. So she's either going long periods without, or banging for months at a time. Walk into a bar, and imagine how many of those girls are going to bang a new guy that night, or even bang a guy they meet that night, later - is it even 5%*? And how many guys are down - 80-90%?

I think the highest quality girls tend to find their men through their social circle. Alternately, relationships where the woman is more attractive than the man get their start in places that aren't sausage fests. That means college, high value social circles, and scenes with a high female:male ratio (eg, working in fashion). We all get the best deal we can, but that best deal varies from OKCupid to Whole Foods to your friend's house party.

*Say the average chick who goes out bangs 3 dudes a year on average, and goes out twice a week. That means she bangs a new guy 3/(52*2) = 2.9% of the time she goes out.

Post: #6

(12-28-2011 07:32 AM)Roosh Wrote:  This confirms what I saw in Denmark, where more guys are getting laid versus the American phenomenon where few guys are laying most of the women.

confirmed in Finland and Sweden too. Tons of betas getting regular sex from sluts that just fuck them.. to simply fuck. All of this despite the fact that those guys probably have no idea how fuck those girls right.

Noticed that around other parts of Europe and even in the US, girls also have always some kind of guy going but mostly stick to that one guy. At least you can give them that. Slutty nordic chicks are indeed on a higher slut level than most of their US counterparts.

Post: #7

(12-28-2011 06:45 AM)ElJefe Wrote:  This is the result of hyper-feminism. Apparently, the 6.4 percent of women who are nasty sluts are fucking 2-3 guys EACH. I don't see why they should not be representative, albeit to a lesser extent, for the rest of the population. What we have is a large group of sluts fucking a lot of men. Or... a lot of guys fucking the same girls. Ewww....

If I remember correctly, results from similar studies in the US indicated the opposite (see Roissy for more info). Almost twice as many women had an STD as men. This confirms my suspicions that Danish girls are a particularly nasty breed of slut because they maintain a harem of men to service them, happily spreading their STDs around while doing so.

The REASON they do this in Denmark more than other countries is because in Denmark it is socially acceptable for a woman to have multiple partners. Women lack the moral fortitude or logical ability to discern right from wrong. Instead, they simply adjust to social norms - ie. they will do whatever everyone else is doing, and criticize whatever everyone else is criticizing, WHATEVER that may be. Men emphasize loyalty and absolute definitions of right and wrong. Women are more concerned with maintaining group cohesion and will change their opinions in order to avoid conflict and maximize harmony within the group.

+1

Dude, spot on comment. I'm giving you a rep point for this.

Post: #8

If the article is true, it makes a strong case for women in those countries being nothing more except "bar skanks".

Post: #9

There could also be more gay activity in Scandinavia bumping up the male numbers.

Post: #10

@Basil:

I forgot about that. It's easier for a man to infect a woman than vice versa. How much fucking did it take for those girls to get everyone sick? Ugh...

The sample was actually the whole population that was tested in that year. The question is whether those tested are representative for all those who are not tested as well. I think "yes" is a fair assumption.

(12-29-2011 01:00 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  There could also be more gay activity in Scandinavia bumping up the male numbers.

The gay life-style is accepted here. Denmark was the first nation to legalize gay-marriage as a civil union - the new Minister of the Church, elected this September (who is from Sri Lanka) has pushed through a proposal to allow gay-marriage in the national church, which is Lutheran Protestant.

I don't know how many men become gay because the rest of society accepts it - I imagine this number is small because people who are gay are born that way - (forgive my unscientific wording) even if both the Catholic Church and lefties would insist I was wrong.

On the other hand, I believe social norms have a major impact on female attitudes towards morality - again, because they have a vested interest in keeping the internal peace of the tribe - internal conflict would put their offspring at risk. Just had this subject in school - it'd be interesting to see how fast social norms would change for men vs. women. The hypothesis of most men who read Roissy would be: "Men take, on average, twice as long to change their social attitudes as women".

As for the US, I believe old-fashioned masculine based morality still resonates with a larger part of the American people. You might say this is why the US is described as the most war-like of Western nations. Maybe it's just because the US is the more masculine nation? Mars so to speak, to Europe's (in particular Scandinavia's) Venus. We all have anecdotal evidence of how pussified Scandinavian men seem in spite of their proud Norse heritage.

Back to Denmark: for attractive, extroverted Danish girls, I have on NUMEROUS occasions heard admissions of multiple fuck-buddies. While not the "norm", I think it is accepted and encouraged - even as it runs contrary to female nature. What they do is fuck multiple guys until they fall in love with one, then dump the rest for the one.

I know a few guys who rack up a lot of ONS, undoubtedly with girls who already have fuck-buddies, but VERY few guys who fuck multiple girls on the regular.

Post: #11

Yeah you have to consider how open homosexuality is in the nordic countries, and butt sex is the best way to spread stds (butt absorbs stuff better than your stomach does to the point of putting a few beers in your rectum would kill you.)

I can't speak for Denmark, but as far as sweden, finland, and norway goes, those are the 3 horniest nations around. I think I read 70% of Norwegian girls have a 1 night stand and hooking up with any girls from these places are not hard. This study big flaw is obviously that it tested 3 times as many women as men. Abortions are widespread in Norway, more so than other scandinavian countries and there is a reason why they have 1/3rd the population of Sweden and denmark.

The only exception is if your muslim, some particularly blonde women will avoid you like the plague (yes I agree it is racist and ignorant view) but it is rooted in the fact that there were several high profile cases of scandinavian women being raped/murdered by muslim men and the media decided to focus on their "muslimness". In addition to the fact that there exist a sex trade where muslims openly state a preference for blonde women leading them to make ignorant statements like I don't like muslims because they just want me for my body/hair (as if any man would want them for anything else, lol). I think the last point is the real stinger, because scandi girls are feminazis. When I asked for directions to the strip club at the tourist office I got the stare of death go fuck yourself and her smile quickly faded and turned into bitchmode which I did not experience any other time in Scandinavia.

Anyhow the typical Scandinavian girl has the sexual think of a man. I'd rather be in a country where 70% of women fuck and think like men than be in a place like Toronto where only the uglies/fatties are fucking and the few 1% of hotties who are fucking are fucking everyone.

Post: #12

ElJefe, found something to support your intuitions:

Quote:Second, there has been an increase not only in serial polygyny (an older man divorces and remarries with a younger woman) but also in concurrent polygyny (a man monopolizes more than one woman at any one time). This phenomenon is hard to quantify because it takes place among purportedly ‘single’ people and thus flies under the radar of most statistics. But it is showing up in a sex reversal of STD infection rates, notably with respect to chlamydia—the most common sexually transmitted disease. Among Hispanic Americans, the traditional pattern still holds true: the rates are 7.24% of men and 4.42% of women (Miller et al., 2004). These polygynous males still have to make do with a smaller number of prostitutes and ‘loose women.’ Among Euro-Americans, however, the pattern has reversed: the rates are 1.38% of men and 2.52% of women (Miller et al., 2004). This is also the pattern among African Americans and is apparently due to young women being targeted by a smaller subpopulation of older polygynous men (Auerswald et al., 2006).

If sexual differences in chlamydia infection rates is any guide, polygyny is more common in America among whites and blacks, while polyandry (multiple men, one woman) is more common in Scandinavia and Hispanics in America.

http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2009/08/...women.html

The piece linked is excellent. I read that blog but apparently started after that was published, and had no idea he's aware of game. Awesome. Nice to see an academic who doesn't turn off his critical thinking when it comes to the sexual marketplace.

Post: #13

(12-29-2011 08:05 AM)ElJefe Wrote:  Back to Denmark: for attractive, extroverted Danish girls, I have on NUMEROUS occasions heard admissions of multiple fuck-buddies. While not the "norm", I think it is accepted and encouraged - even as it runs contrary to female nature....

I also used to think it ran contrary to female nature to fuck around a lot, but I've now changed my mind. I think it's only that it is/was contrary to female nature to be SEEN as someone who fucked around a lot. As societal norms change to "Sex and the City" norms women have less reason to keep up the pretense. In the past being seen fucking around would lose you the support of your man, which could very likely lead to your child's, or even your own, death. Obviously in Scandinavia the Welfare State serves that role almost completely. Since the biggest pimp daddy of them all (the State) has their back you could say they are now MORE free to act in accordance with their nature.

While they may not be as blatant as men, if the right man comes along they'll get almost as horny as a regular guy, and are obviously in a much easier position to act on it. Can't account for why you say it is easy for Beta's to get laid in Scandinavia. Maybe something to do with hormonal birth control. Do women there use it more there than in Western nations? Sounds a little like Chimpanzee society, which apparently is essentially one giant, eveyone joins, in orgy. Female chimps have sex with almost any male member of the tribe.

Post: #14

weird.

Post: #15

I'm not sure what to make of this. If twice as many women as men have STDs, that indicates that a large majority of women are happy to sleep around fucking a small minority of alpha men who are serving as the focal point for those diseases.

But how can we have it both ways? If twice as many men as women have STDs, that indicates that a large majority of men are fucking a small minority of women. Wouldn't that imply that the rest of the women - the majority - don't sleep around and are actually married or in stable relationships?

After all, one of our main complaints against today's society is that the unleashed female hypergamy causes 90% of women to become dirty sluts for the sake of the most attractive men (and this is then shown in their STD rates like in the first case). If in Denmark most of them aren't acting like that, what would that indicate?

p.s. apologies for thread necro

Post: #16

(04-26-2012 01:49 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  I'm not sure what to make of this. If twice as many women as men have STDs, that indicates that a large majority of women are happy to sleep around fucking a small minority of alpha men who are serving as the focal point for those diseases.

But how can we have it both ways? If twice as many men as women have STDs, that indicates that a large majority of men are fucking a small minority of women. Wouldn't that imply that the rest of the women - the majority - don't sleep around and are actually married or in stable relationships?

After all, one of our main complaints against today's society is that the unleashed female hypergamy causes 90% of women to become dirty sluts for the sake of the most attractive men (and this is then shown in their STD rates like in the first case). If in Denmark most of them aren't acting like that, what would that indicate?

p.s. apologies for thread necro

Yes, I see your objection. Could partly be because it is easier for a woman to contract an STD from a man than vica versa. So even if everyone is having the same amount of sex (unlikely in my opinion) women would still have more STD's.

If you look at AIDS statistics from regions with very high incidence (e.g. Sub-Saharan Africa) it is very obvious that young women have a much higher rate of infection than similar aged men. The usual reason given is that younger women are simply having more sex than younger men. Because they can. Often with older men with means. The rate of infection by age only really evens out a bit past 30 years old, though women still have a higher infection rate at all ages, apart from the aged.