Post: #1

I kind of outlined this in another thread, but to sum it up(and basically quote myself)...

I have a bit of an unusual inclination towards the idea of siring children in that the act of sex (even if the girl is a young and hot) has no value for me in and of itself if there is a) no possibility of impregnation and b) I am not at least open/willing to have a baby with the girl in question. Any woman I fuck, I am consciously (even against my better, rational judgement) trying to impregnate-I can't help this, it is probably inherited. Fucking just for fucking isn't an option in my mind.

This is part of why I try to be picky and I do deal with self-inflicted dry-spells until the right girl comes along. I know if I let my broke 20-year old self go, there will be plenty of little Athlones running around that I simply won't be able to take care of. The girls in question will usually happily have them all(I find chicks are surprisingly carefree about the condom thing these days), so I gotta reign myself in.

You can see how this can be a problem(crazy child support laws in USA, many crazy women, etc).

I am the only one who has this drive all the time and has to reign it in constantly? Have you ever had it with one particular girl who brought it out in you, at least? I was honestly just curious.

Post: #2

Never. It's why God invented vasectomies.

In fact, cumming isn't all that important to me. If I do, great. What gets me off is simply pounding her like a porn star...making her a mass of quivering jelly, making sure she grabs the sheets so hard her hands hurt.

And I love it when a woman's face moves from the look "I'm in some other place"...to looking at me like a cornered cat getting completely overwhelmed.

Manipulate...dominate...penetrate. That's what it's about for me.

Of course, I've had women say that we would make beautiful babies. Such things are always on THEIR minds.

Post: #3

Athlone you're black right?

I've been reading Black Passenger Yellow Cab and he's all about that too. Dude probably paid for like 40 abortions by the end of his tenure in japan.

Pardon me if thats racist, just an observation.

Post: #4

If you simply look at natural selection, I hate to suggest the obvious, but wanting to fcuk and only as an ancillary fact wanting to have kids is probably the most existentially obvious result of it.

Before birth control wanting to fcuk WAS wanting to have kids, there really was no distinction that I can see.

It's in MODERN times only, only the last 20 years where centralized, hard-to-avoid child support is a very real risk of fcuking.

So many men now have the conflict-- their instincts are to fcuk, but paradoxically pregnancy would drain them financially and REDUCE their access to fcuking-- unless they are upper-middle class+ or crazy ghetto.

Before 35 or so , I could look at women as art objects and feel satisfied fcuking them without any thought of impregnation.

However all through life I've become more and more dominant with women, and the most complete submission is for her to give herself over to being your baby factory, so that's more and more the object of my "gaming". It's not really gaming in the sense of not being serious because that's what the majority of women want to.

The good thing about EE is they want them earlier. In the US they want to wait until the last second sometimes.

As one slut I was banging said, becoming pregnant is the ultimate submission. And as I've always argued, women are way more perverted than men. Men just want sex, women want marriage, babies and love.

As one character in a script said, "I've never met a perversion I didn't like except love and marriage."

Post: #5

(10-05-2011 03:52 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  What gets me off is simply pounding her like a porn star...making her a mass of quivering jelly, making sure she grabs the sheets so hard her hands hurt.

And I love it when a woman's face moves from the look "I'm in some other place"...to looking at me like a cornered cat getting completely overwhelmed.

Manipulate...dominate...penetrate. That's what it's about for me.

Of course, I've had women say that we would make beautiful babies. Such things are always on THEIR minds.

Interesting.

I'm a big fan of the female orgasm as well, as it is another thing in my mind (aside from the aforementioned possibility/desire for impregnation) that any sexual act doesn't seem quite right/complete without. Her sounds, involuntary movements and facial expressions get me off as much as anything else. Of course, I suspect that this may be subconsciously linked to my own impregnation fetish (orgasm=better chance of conception).

On a related note, this makes a lot of porn difficult for me to enjoy, and might be part of why I don't watch a whole lot of mainstream American(or even European) stuff. I would rather watch a lower quality amateur vid featuring a totally average 6 in ecstasy(with the sounds and facial expressions to go with it) than look at a hot, tanned, big-booty 9 faking it in some Brazzers video.

Of course, seeing a 9 in ecstasy beats everything, but unless you're a Pierre Woodman fan, that type of quality will be rare.

(10-05-2011 04:46 PM)Docter Wrote:  Athlone you're black right?

I've been reading Black Passenger Yellow Cab and he's all about that too. Dude probably paid for like 40 abortions by the end of his tenure in japan.

Pardon me if thats racist, just an observation.

No worries.

I'm actually of exactly the same background/nationality as the author of that book(which I am also reading). He resonated a lot with me, as I've had many of his desires myself.
Is it racial? I dunno, but I certainly know where he is coming from.

(10-05-2011 05:17 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  Before birth control wanting to fcuk WAS wanting to have kids, there really was no distinction that I can see.

It's in MODERN times only, only the last 20 years where centralized, hard-to-avoid child support is a very real risk of fcuking.

So many men now have the conflict-- their instincts are to fcuk, but paradoxically pregnancy would drain them financially and REDUCE their access to fcuking-- unless they are upper-middle class+ or crazy ghetto.

True that.

Quote:Before 35 or so , I could look at women as art objects and feel satisfied fcuking them without any thought of impregnation.

I'm 20 and I can't do this. Even at 16 I couldn't.

Quote:However all through life I've become more and more dominant with women, and the most complete submission is for her to give herself over to being your baby factory, so that's more and more the object of my "gaming". It's not really gaming in the sense of not being serious because that's what the majority of women want to.

So this impulse might only get worse with age...

Quote:The good thing about EE is they want them earlier. In the US they want to wait until the last second sometimes.

That is one thing that always bugs me. Young girls here(especially the Ivy League types I keep having the misfortune of dealing with) are so afraid of potentially falling into old, patriarchal "motherhood" tropes and so intent on "having it all" in the mold of the modern feminist fantasy that many don't even bother trying to settle down until they hit 30-35. Women are the new commitment-phobes in this society.

Until they pass their prime, they sport-fuck and abort. Being the way I am, I find this kind of hard to reconcile. Sport-fucks are just worthless to me, and it sucks to have to wait for a woman to essentially get run-through(cock carousel, abortions, aging, etc) before they can be more open to my view of things.

What makes it worse is that many of these girls are going against their own impulses in living this way. Even the ones who might want kids fight it in order to conform and live up to the modern ideal.

Quote:As one slut I was banging said, becoming pregnant is the ultimate submission. And as I've always argued, women are way more perverted than men. Men just want sex, women want marriage, babies and love.

And many women in the US don't seem to want to admit it. pregnancy is the ultimate submission indeed, and many girls here fear showing any vulnerability to men at all.

Post: #6

Ugh, I can't wait for the male birth control pill.

If I bust a nut in a girl (which is rare), I always fret about it for a few weeks afterward. Even if I'm quite sure the girls aren't the type looking to have kids, it still freaks me out.

The power is out of your hands (or out of your penis, so to speak) and out of your control.

Post: #7

(10-05-2011 07:35 PM)_DC_ Wrote:  Ugh, I can't wait for the male birth control pill.

If I bust a nut in a girl (which is rare), I always fret about it for a few weeks afterward. Even if I'm quite sure the girls aren't the type looking to have kids, it still freaks me out.

The power is out of your hands (or out of your penis, so to speak) and out of your control.

You don't want the male birth control pill, you want RISUG/Vasagel! A 10 dollar easily reversible procedure that completely sterilizes you. It's like lining your ball tubes with strong sperm tail magnets that rip the sperm in half so none of them pass. Enterprising Gs maybe be able to bribe their way to get it. Reversing it is just cleaning it out with something that dissolves the lining and it washes out. Like a vasectomy without the down sides!

Implemented in India 30 years ago with good results, infuriating bureaucratic BS preventing widespread adoption. It's a frustrating thing waiting to happen. The medical establishment seem's to have their head stuck in the 70s that 'men don't want to take birth control'. It was told to me by a doctor a couple years ago when I went with a girl to a birth control clinic.

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/04/ff...tomy/all/1

Post: #8

(10-06-2011 01:58 AM)ersatz Wrote:  

(10-05-2011 07:35 PM)_DC_ Wrote:  Ugh, I can't wait for the male birth control pill.

If I bust a nut in a girl (which is rare), I always fret about it for a few weeks afterward. Even if I'm quite sure the girls aren't the type looking to have kids, it still freaks me out.

The power is out of your hands (or out of your penis, so to speak) and out of your control.

You don't want the male birth control pill, you want RISUG/Vasagel! A 10 dollar easily reversible procedure that completely sterilizes you. It's like lining your ball tubes with strong sperm tail magnets that rip the sperm in half so none of them pass. Enterprising Gs maybe be able to bribe their way to get it. Reversing it is just cleaning it out with something that dissolves the lining and it washes out. Like a vasectomy without the down sides!

Implemented in India 30 years ago with good results, infuriating bureaucratic BS preventing widespread adoption. It's a frustrating thing waiting to happen. The medical establishment seem's to have their head stuck in the 70s that 'men don't want to take birth control'. It was told to me by a doctor a couple years ago when I went with a girl to a birth control clinic.

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/04/ff...tomy/all/1

Holy mother of God. Why didn't we already know about this? I'd get some sperm frozen beforehand though, just in case something went wrong.

Post: #9

I'm surprised that there aren't more pregnancy-scare posts here. It's hard to go a lot of years with a lot of fucking and not get at least one girl pregnant. Even with condom use. It just is.

The only time that I see year-after-year protection is when a girl has been on the pill for a long time. Its like breathing for her (no missing days, etc). But Id venture that only a third, or less, of girls that most guys pick up and bang are probably on the pill at that time.

Post: #10

(10-05-2011 03:40 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  I kind of outlined this in another thread, but to sum it up(and basically quote myself)...

I have a bit of an unusual inclination towards the idea of siring children in that the act of sex (even if the girl is a young and hot) has no value for me in and of itself if there is a) no possibility of impregnation and b) I am not at least open/willing to have a baby with the girl in question. Any woman I fuck, I am consciously (even against my better, rational judgement) trying to impregnate-I can't help this, it is probably inherited. Fucking just for fucking isn't an option in my mind.

This is part of why I try to be picky and I do deal with self-inflicted dry-spells until the right girl comes along. I know if I let my broke 20-year old self go, there will be plenty of little Athlones running around that I simply won't be able to take care of. The girls in question will usually happily have them all(I find chicks are surprisingly carefree about the condom thing these days), so I gotta reign myself in.

You can see how this can be a problem(crazy child support laws in USA, many crazy women, etc).

I am the only one who has this drive all the time and has to reign it in constantly? Have you ever had it with one particular girl who brought it out in you, at least? I was honestly just curious.

Post: #11

Oh, yeah, that drive used to be there for me to (to get girls pregnant). It was okay to indulge it because it never happened. Until it did. Now I keep that drive chained, locked, and shackled in the deepest recesses of my unconscious and I am currently attempting to poison it while I torture it with sharp knives, dull spoons, and the unrelenting recordings of babies crying relentlessly. No way will being sloppy, at the behest of that unconscious drive, ever try to fuck with my life again.

Post: #12

Hey...lemme just throw this out there, because I know and deal with it....

Soccer practices cost money
Musical instruments cost money
College funds cost money
Babysitters cost money
Field trips cost money
That 2nd laptop cost money
That airline ticket for that child costs no more than $10-$20 less than your ticket, so not much savings there
Gymnastics lessons cost money

Just throwing that out there. I am lucky since my household is in the Top-5% income (although weakened because of living in the DC area) but STILL...I feel the impact.

Post: #13

I've grown up in baby mother central so I am very particular about siring random children. I want to be in control of my child's life and determine the direction he (she) takes.

A lot of adult behaviour is defined by the type of parenting that they received.
All this gang violence and all this quickness for people to settle their beefs with guns and weapons are all examples of effeminate behaviour..males growing up without positive adult male figures in their households.

Lizards with slack standards, can't cook, no respect for men, inability to understand the female role and how it compliments the male role derives from the lack of a positive adult male figure in her household.

The men in my family and culture slay lizards frequently and that is not snubbed but it is taboo for them to sire children randomly and with some waste lizard.

You might as well abort the poor little fcuker.

This summer, I was stroking a nice lizard that I was working for a few months prior. She finally made her way into my lair and I spent three days digging out her belly.
During one stroke session, I was in the missionary, scraping her ribs and she said something along the lines of that she is mine forever if I cum in her.

I entertained that thought for moments as waves of pre-orgasmic pleasure washed over my sensory pathways. I CANNOT walk out on any sprogs of mine and this was not a lizard that I wanted to be locked down with (she exhibited some argumentative traits that I found a tad bit irritating).

With that in mind, I pulled out and left a gelatinous load of DNA on her stomach.

Also, in Canada, Child services seriously can have a dude by the balls and contribute majorly to his emasculation.

As strong and as flush as some of us are in here, none of us are above the law. The only way to dodge paying for a child, is to either make no money that is tied to your Social or to flee to another country (correct me if I'm wrong).

I like my freedom. That's my incentive.

Post: #14

Hah I'm reading Black Passenger Yellow Cab too. He went through 14 abortions, not 40.

In my 20s I had no problem pulling out, but lately it's getting harder. The past couple months I've blasted inside girls who weren't even on the pill. I no longer trust myself and try to plead with girls to make me use a condom, to no avail. I'm afraid it's just a matter of time until I go through a scare.

Post: #15

(10-07-2011 01:00 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  I have the same urge, Athlone. I have a conscious/unconscious desire to impregnate women. During sex, looking at how fine they look, knowing how fine I am, I can't help but think wonder what that immaculate child would look like. Sometimes I can't help but say 'how gorgeous our babies would look' and I can see in her smile she wants me to inseminate her....adds to the urge.

I've had a few pregnancy scares in my life...I almost exclusively raw dog.

Glad I'm not alone.

My impulse by itself regarding impregnation is bad enough, but when a girl I'm with calls for it too(smiles, mentions how babies would look, calls for it during intercourse, etc)?
That might be the most effective way to trap me. Kryptonite, so to speak.

Damn, I gotta be careful...

(10-07-2011 01:21 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  Hey...lemme just throw this out there, because I know and deal with it....

Soccer practices cost money
Musical instruments cost money
College funds cost money
Babysitters cost money
Field trips cost money
That 2nd laptop cost money
That airline ticket for that child costs no more than $10-$20 less than your ticket, so not much savings there
Gymnastics lessons cost money

Just throwing that out there. I am lucky since my household is in the Top-5% income (although weakened because of living in the DC area) but STILL...I feel the impact.

All very true, which is why I keep have some fear of my impulses. If I let them run free in the US, it could ruin me. Moma mentions even more reasons why...

(10-07-2011 01:25 PM)Moma Wrote:  I've grown up in baby mother central so I am very particular about siring random children. I want to be in control of my child's life and determine the direction he (she) takes.

A lot of adult behaviour is defined by the type of parenting that they received.
All this gang violence and all this quickness for people to settle their beefs with guns and weapons are all examples of effeminate behaviour..males growing up without positive adult male figures in their households.

Lizards with slack standards, can't cook, no respect for men, inability to understand the female role and how it compliments the male role derives from the lack of a positive adult male figure in her household.

The men in my family and culture slay lizards frequently and that is not snubbed but it is taboo for them to sire children randomly and with some waste lizard.

You might as well abort the poor little fcuker.

This summer, I was stroking a nice lizard that I was working for a few months prior. She finally made her way into my lair and I spent three days digging out her belly.
During one stroke session, I was in the missionary, scraping her ribs and she said something along the lines of that she is mine forever if I cum in her.

I entertained that thought for moments as waves of pre-orgasmic pleasure washed over my sensory pathways. I CANNOT walk out on any sprogs of mine and this was not a lizard that I wanted to be locked down with (she exhibited some argumentative traits that I found a tad bit irritating).

With that in mind, I pulled out and left a gelatinous load of DNA on her stomach.

Also, in Canada, Child services seriously can have a dude by the balls and contribute majorly to his emasculation.

As strong and as flush as some of us are in here, none of us are above the law. The only way to dodge paying for a child, is to either make no money that is tied to your Social or to flee to another country (correct me if I'm wrong).

I like my freedom. That's my incentive.

This is all very true, great post.

I'm think there may be a way around these many pitfalls, but finding it would require:

-Lots of money
-Pickiness

...among a few other things. Some parts of the world would also probably be better for this than others. I would want to ensure my kids are able to have most of the same opportunities that I have had. If I let my impulse run free, I'd need a lot of money to still guarantee that and I would need to be pretty selective regarding the women. If I allow myself to rawdog the wrong chick and she pulls a move similar to the one me and Luckystar were talking about just above, then I'm in trouble. I'll lose control, and knock up an unfit chick, screwing my kid.

This whole thing might require less of a player's approach, and more of a serial-monogamist one. I'd have to pick my grls very carefully(after ensuring I'm financially ready for any eventuality), and stick with them for a good while, which would allow me to vet them carefully.

We'll see. Maybe in time I'll be able to just tame this beast and stop plotting to appease it...

Post: #16

Getting a girl pregnant and me catching AIDS or an STD terrifies me yet I cannot help but fuck a girl bareback when it comes down to it. I tell myself every time that I will never, ever, again fuck a girl without a condom but it seems to happen wil alarming frequency. The next morning I'm instantly regretting it and will go out and spend £25 on the morning after pill if need be just to avoid that. I hate on myself so much for just not slipping that rubber on but at the time it seems so fucking right to be bareback in the girl even when I've got condoms to hand. Argh!

Post: #17

You have remarkably low odds of HIV transmission if you're a male having vaginal sex. It should not even cross your mind. I would be much more concerned about HSV II or one of those antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea than HIV.

That's just based on aggregate data for everyone, too. If it's a girl with a similar background and socioeconomic status, I have a better chance of her pushing her tongue through the back of my head and killing me, a la "Species", than I do of getting HIV from her.

Post: #18

You're not a real man unless you've had a half dozen pregnancy scares. They suck but they force you to realize the consequences of your actions. You either become pro hedonist and pro choice, or you stop rawdogging and blasting inside pussy.

Post: #19

(10-07-2011 05:18 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Hah I'm reading Black Passenger Yellow Cab too. He went through 14 abortions, not 40.

In my 20s I had no problem pulling out, but lately it's getting harder. The past couple months I've blasted inside girls who weren't even on the pill. I no longer trust myself and try to plead with girls to make me use a condom, to no avail. I'm afraid it's just a matter of time until I go through a scare.

Here's another reason I love married women -- especially ones with kids. They are horrified at being pregnant again.

A few years ago, right after my divorce, I had this beautiful 41 year old at my house. We were drinking wine...and then I took her to my bedroom, and we were about to do it, she got on her knees, presented her pussy to me, and said, "fuck me from the back."

I went into the drawer and reached for a condom -- this was before my vasectomy -- and she said, "You don't need that...my tubes are tied. I hate the feel of rubbers."

I dumped two loads into her that night.

Post: #20

(10-07-2011 05:18 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Hah I'm reading Black Passenger Yellow Cab too. He went through 14 abortions, not 40.

In my 20s I had no problem pulling out, but lately it's getting harder. The past couple months I've blasted inside girls who weren't even on the pill. I no longer trust myself and try to plead with girls to make me use a condom, to no avail. I'm afraid it's just a matter of time until I go through a scare.

I would bribe your way to get one of the non-drug treatments on this list:

http://malecontraceptives.org/methods/index.php

Post: #21

(10-07-2011 05:45 PM)KingofScotland Wrote:  Getting a girl pregnant and me catching AIDS or an STD terrifies me yet I cannot help but fuck a girl bareback when it comes down to it. I tell myself every time that I will never, ever, again fuck a girl without a condom but it seems to happen wil alarming frequency. The next morning I'm instantly regretting it and will go out and spend £25 on the morning after pill if need be just to avoid that. I hate on myself so much for just not slipping that rubber on but at the time it seems so fucking right to be bareback in the girl even when I've got condoms to hand. Argh!

That's nice and everything but you can't rely on a chick to take the day after pill. It gets scarier when you buy the day after pill and she refuses to take it. What you going to do, punch her in the face and make her take it or put it in her omelet?

Post: #22

(10-07-2011 05:18 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Hah I'm reading Black Passenger Yellow Cab too. He went through 14 abortions, not 40.

In my 20s I had no problem pulling out, but lately it's getting harder. The past couple months I've blasted inside girls who weren't even on the pill. I no longer trust myself and try to plead with girls to make me use a condom, to no avail. I'm afraid it's just a matter of time until I go through a scare.

Nothing like a good scare to restore discipline...but sooner or later the music stops and you find yourself with a chair.
Not worth it, my friend!

Post: #23

(10-05-2011 03:52 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  Never. It's why God invented vasectomies.

In fact, cumming isn't all that important to me. If I do, great. What gets me off is simply pounding her like a porn star...making her a mass of quivering jelly, making sure she grabs the sheets so hard her hands hurt.

And I love it when a woman's face moves from the look "I'm in some other place"...to looking at me like a cornered cat getting completely overwhelmed.

Manipulate...dominate...penetrate. That's what it's about for me.

Of course, I've had women say that we would make beautiful babies. Such things are always on THEIR minds.

WTH?

Busting ur nut isnt important?!?

That is the ONLY thing I care about.

If I have sex and somehow dont bust a nut im insanely pissed and feel like I just wasted a ton of energy and time for fucking nothing.

Post: #24

(10-11-2011 08:03 AM)Dash Global Wrote:  WTH?

Busting ur nut isnt important?!?

That is the ONLY thing I care about.

If I have sex and somehow dont bust a nut im insanely pissed and feel like I just wasted a ton of energy and time for fucking nothing.

I can cum in 2 seconds by myself. Cumming is easy...there's nothing special about cumming.

Fucking, though -- and fucking the way I like to fuck -- is hard. And what is great about fucking are the sensations of having your cock in the velvet of a pussy while you have your hand around her neck..or the beauty of your balls slapping her pussy while you shove it up her ass...or having the babe slobber all over your cock, while you have her hair in the your hands and you are controlling how deep you go in her throat....all while you DON'T cum.

For a man who is truly dominant, it is about HER losing it...and you not. It is about you in control, and her out of control...so you can grab her face while you are pounding her...and spit right in her mouth...

My cumming is totally secondary to the sex I love to have. . .and if a woman doesn't like that kind of sex, I am not interested in her.

I subscribe completely to Roissy's 14th Commandment.

Quote:XIV. Fuck her good

Fuck her like it’s your last fuck. And hers. Fuck her so good, so hard, so wantonly, so profligately that she is left a quivering, sparking mass of shaking flesh and sex fluids. Drain her of everything, then drain her some more. Kiss her all over, make love to her all night, and hold her close in the morning. Own her body, own her gratitude, own her love. If you don’t know how, learn to give her squirting orgasms.

Post: #25

(10-11-2011 09:10 AM)tenderman100 Wrote:  I can cum in 2 seconds by myself. Cumming is easy...there's nothing special about cumming.

Fucking, though -- and fucking the way I like to fuck -- is hard. And what is great about fucking are the sensations of having your cock in the velvet of a pussy while you have your hand around her neck..or the beauty of your balls slapping her pussy while you shove it up her ass...or having the babe slobber all over your cock, while you have her hair in the your hands and you are controlling how deep you go in her throat....all while you DON'T cum.

For a man who is truly dominant, it is about HER losing it...and you not. It is about you in control, and her out of control...so you can grab her face while you are pounding her...and spit right in her mouth...

My cumming is totally secondary to the sex I love to have. . .and if a woman doesn't like that kind of sex, I am not interested in her.

I subscribe completely to Roissy's 14th Commandment.

I can rub one out in 3 minutes myself.

But its 1,000,000,000X better busting a nut from actually fucking a hot chick.

Quote:XIV. Fuck her good

Fuck her like it’s your last fuck. And hers. Fuck her so good, so hard, so wantonly, so profligately that she is left a quivering, sparking mass of shaking flesh and sex fluids. Drain her of everything, then drain her some more. Kiss her all over, make love to her all night, and hold her close in the morning. Own her body, own her gratitude, own her love. If you don’t know how, learn to give her squirting orgasms.

In my opinion this is only applicable if you care about the chick and are looking for repeat service (I get repeat service without doing/caring/focusing on anything about the chick, so thats still not a great excuse).

I dont give a shit about the chicks I bang.

Im there to get my nut at the expense of their hot body.

Nothing more, nothing less

Bitches are a dime a dozen.

Funny story, I had this one chick 2 years ago get mad when I refused to go down on her after she gave me head. Threatened to leave and shit.

I was like im sorry but I dont go down females. And if you want to leave, leave. I got 10 females on speed dial that will be over within the hour lol (i was lying ovcouse but she didnt know that)