Post: #1

I guess I'm technically a newbie since I never post even though I've been reading this shit for several years.

I don't know exactly what happened or when it happened but I seem to have lost whatever je ne sais quois formerly allowed me to get strange on the reg.

At this point I've closed on well north of 100 girls, but for some reason recently (past few months) every time I go out or chat with a girl casually or even meet up from effing tinder or whatever it seems to fall flat. I guess it's possible that I never had game and was coasting on my looks or former athletic success, but it definitely feels like I've lost something and I honestly don't know what it is.

Obviously I'm not looking for sympathy here but rather serious ideas for what the hell might be going on that I don't feel or walk or slay like my old golden boy self. Maybe I should get my testosterone levels checked? In any case, your thoughts would be appreciated.

Post: #2

Frankly I don't understand how someone can get to well over 100+ and doesn't have the wisdom, self reflection, or tools to see where he is going wrong.

Feels like bullshit.

Like you said though the only option I see was a guy that was great looking or had a ton of popularity but pretty bad game and now has neither.

Did you age badly or gain weight recently?

Post: #3

(08-21-2015 10:40 PM)Travesty Wrote:  Frankly I don't understand how someone can get to well over 100+ and doesn't have the wisdom, self reflection, or tools to see where he is going wrong.

Feels like bullshit.

Like you said though the only option I see was a guy that was great looking or had a ton of popularity but pretty bad game and now has neither.

Did you age badly or gain weight recently?

Didn't age badly as far as I can tell. I definitely had a certain inherent status in the past that I don't have anymore thanks to the fact that I'm no longer an exceptional athlete.

Admittedly, I did gain a significant amount of weight in the past year which I'm in the process of cutting (got up to about 280 though I'm down to 230 now and still going- this is on a 6'3" fairly muscular frame).

I'm not bullshitting you about the numbers though.

Post: #4

Well it sounds like you ran Don't Fuck It Up game mostly with that status which is about 2/10 on the active game scale.

Good news is at your height and muscularity and past experience it won't be too hard to push your game to a skill level where it can feel easy again.

No one wants to say someone can be too big on this board, but 280 is intimidatingly big for a lot of chicks especially if you don't have direct status they know about like a club bouncer or football player. 230 though is great.

If you got to 280 by drinking too much and eating shitty food you probably looked, felt, and come off a bit slobbish.

I am going to guess it is an ego thing. Being a star athlete and now letting yourself go a bit after I'm assuming you are done with your athletic career and now coming back around and improving yourself.

I think you will need to find something else to build your inner game back up. I don't know what you do now, maybe a connection to being a sports trainer or coach to get the spark back. More chicks won't fill that sort of void.

Post: #5

You haven't lost shit.

Lose the weight and get back in there.

Post: #6

(08-21-2015 10:56 PM)Travesty Wrote:  Well it sounds like you ran Don't Fuck It Up game mostly with that status which is about 2/10 on the active game scale.

Good news is at your height and muscularity and past experience it won't be too hard to push your game to a skill level where it can feel easy again.

No one wants to say someone can be too big on this board, but 280 is intimidatingly big for a lot of chicks especially if you don't have direct status they know about like a club bouncer or football player. 230 though is great.

If you got to 280 by drinking too much and eating shitty food you probably looked, felt, and come off a bit slobbish.

I am going to guess it is an ego thing. Being a star athlete and now letting yourself go a bit after I'm assuming you are done with your athletic career and now coming back around and improving yourself.

I think you will need to find something else to build your inner game back up. I don't know what you do now, maybe a connection to being a sports trainer or coach to get the spark back. More chicks won't fill that sort of void.

Your speculation pretty much nailed the essential components of my narrative on the head actually. I'm back in school finishing my degree (at the overripe fucking age of 25), and yeah, I am trying to make what I guess you might call a comeback.

Certainly my athletic career is now permanently over.

Also, drinking too much and eating shitty food is precisely how I got to be such a fat fuck, and honestly I prob did come off as a slob. It got to the point where I had to grow facial hair to hide the fact that I'd developed a double chin (still wear a beard now but no longer out of aesthetic necessity). In any case, I guess I'm not the unique and beautiful (overweight) snowflake I once imagined myself to be.

For cash I tutor for the SATs rn. I used to hit up an MMA gym but I stopped sparring cos I was starting to have memory problems (increasingly it looks like even with headgear on those head shots take a toll on brain function).

Otherwise, the future is wide open.

Hopefully some legs will be in the near term as well.

Post: #7

Looks like you've answered your own question.

Now get on with it Sir!

Post: #8

Just think where you last left it.

Post: #9

Weight. Ive noticed if I gain 10lbs my IOI drops 80% . All about the defined Jaw line.

Post: #10

You guys think I should start from the bottom (i.e., Roosh Program) at this point?

Haven't fucked anything pretty or new since beginning of June.

Probably irrelevant, but I've been cutting via keto and cardio for a couple of months.

Post: #11

It's up to you.

If I were you I'd lose the weight first. If you're used to slaying decent pussy it's gonna be tough working your way up from the bottom again.

Others will probably disagree.

Post: #12

Getting in a rut like this can happen to anyone. Start banging some fives or sixes to get your feeling of abundance back. Girls can literally smell if you are getting laid or not, subconsciously of course. There is a reason jumpoffs are also called slumpbusters. Oh yeah, lose some weight you are too young to weigh that much. Your joints and cardiovascular system will thank you. Get back in the MMA gym. Chicks like big guys who look like bouncers or athletes not couch potatoes.

Post: #13

I've been there before and know the feeling. I cruised on looks and build alone (6'2 190ish). I was a football player, track star, and women would tell me how good looking I was from when I was 16-25 years old. My ego was through the roof, which attracted them more. (Dark Triad behavior apeing) It was too easy and I RARELY had to even approach a girl other than saying "hey" or some other brilliant line. Girls I didn't know would walk up and ask me out or even proposition for sex on occasion. This isn't bragging...For those that have been there, you know what I mean. Sounds great, right.....Wrong! It's the time of your life but it ruins you.

I started going to this hotel bar near my house every night and stopped working out. Also, post 25, I just didn't have that same "look" anymore and ballooned up to 240. The worst part? Being attractive and a muscular football player had actually given me absolutely no skills in gaming women. I knew what to do with them once I could break through, due to the sexual experience I had gained in the "easy" period, but I had about a zero on game scale. Girls weren't noticing anymore and were turning their attention to my more in shape friends. I started running, quit the bar scene, and hit the weights. I took a long time, but I lost all that beer and bad diet weight. This was the early part of the decade and the online dating nonsense hadn't materialized yet. I had no idea about game but noticed my natural Alpha friends picking up women with fast approach, quick escalation, and zero fucks given attitude. They all had abundance mentality too and if disrespected, would rapidly "next", and move on. Flash forward to now. I'm 40, am back to my original physical build from HS/college, lift weights, and rarely drink. The most important thing is to get into peak physical AND mental shape. Live in your frame, always be reaching, excelling, and living up to the burden of performance. Learn game, read Roosh, Roissy, and Rollo, and make yourself the prize. She can come along for the ride, if you decide. You're more interesting to women when you're self interested with hobbies, goals, dreams, and learned skills.

BTW, I pulled a 21 yr old "8" last night using indirect approach game. This stuff works and you can get "it" back.

Good luck.

Post: #14

Even guys who routinely got laid in high school and college through minimal social circle game learn that post college is a whole new ball game. Now you are in the pro's, no more freebies. You got to work for each hookup now. Many men never make the adjustment. You are in the right place. Take our advice and game on but don't let self doubt enter your mind for one second. You will get your mojo back.

Post: #15

(08-22-2015 02:30 PM)amusedmastery Wrote:  I've been there before and know the feeling. I cruised on looks and build alone (6'2 190ish). I was a football player, track star, and women would tell me how good looking I was from when I was 16-25 years old. My ego was through the roof, which attracted them more. (Dark Triad behavior apeing) It was too easy and I RARELY had to even approach a girl other than saying "hey" or some other brilliant line. Girls I didn't know would walk up and ask me out or even proposition for sex on occasion. This isn't bragging...For those that have been there, you know what I mean. Sounds great, right.....Wrong! It's the time of your life but it ruins you.

I started going to this hotel bar near my house every night and stopped working out. Also, post 25, I just didn't have that same "look" anymore and ballooned up to 240. The worst part? Being attractive and a muscular football player had actually given me absolutely no skills in gaming women. I knew what to do with them once I could break through, due to the sexual experience I had gained in the "easy" period, but I had about a zero on game scale. Girls weren't noticing anymore and were turning their attention to my more in shape friends. I started running, quit the bar scene, and hit the weights. I took a long time, but I lost all that beer and bad diet weight. This was the early part of the decade and the online dating nonsense hadn't materialized yet. I had no idea about game but noticed my natural Alpha friends picking up women with fast approach, quick escalation, and zero fucks given attitude. They all had abundance mentality too and if disrespected, would rapidly "next", and move on. Flash forward to now. I'm 40, am back to my original physical build from HS/college, lift weights, and rarely drink. The most important thing is to get into peak physical AND mental shape. Live in your frame, always be reaching, excelling, and living up to the burden of performance. Learn game, read Roosh, Roissy, and Rollo, and make yourself the prize. She can come along for the ride, if you decide. You're more interesting to women when you're self interested with hobbies, goals, dreams, and learned skills.

BTW, I pulled a 21 yr old "8" last night using indirect approach game. This stuff works and you can get "it" back.

Good luck.

I appreciate this. I can't relate entirely though. I was a starting pitcher on a D3 college team and the last season I played was 2009 so it's been a fuckin while. That said, I definitely looked hard and angular for a couple of years after I stopped playing just cos of how much work I'd put in to get there in the first place. At this point there seems to be a consensus on the fact that I need to cut another 30-50 to start getting the attention that was once normal. Regardless, I suspect ya'll probably have a valid point wrt my never having properly developed "active" game. It's true that historically I never really needed to approach girls to get attention.

Thanks for the thoughtful replies gentlemen.

Take care