(04-12-2016 11:02 PM)cascadecombo Wrote:  The video looks nice and all but he didn't mention much about if they go for a takedown from the clinch.




Apparently the style I studied was one of the first to show the effectiveness of the clinch, learn something knew every day.

However my first idea to defend against that wasn't in the video so while looking I found another video.





Watching this makes it look like escaping from a clinch is far easier than I thought.

I personally would look to sweep single the guy who puts me in a clinch, but I'd be worried about possibly eating a knee to the face in the transition.

If i got into a clinch the last thing i would do is try to go for the legs. Basic defense is to stay close leaving no space for him to land knees and stand tall on your toes, you could always go for a bear hug to avoid elbows too and work from there if you don't get sweeped first.

I'm personally not used to getting kneed often since we very rarely spar with knee strikes allowed due to the potential danger of it. So i would most likely forget any fancy moves when im getting hit with knees at 100%.

(04-12-2016 11:08 PM)EDantes Wrote:  What's your guys opinion on practicing martial arts at home?

Was in a Tae Kwon Do class for about a year but had to quit due to financial difficulties; wouldn't mind practicing at home (don't have a partner to practice with) but have the impression it's a waste of time except just as a workout routine.

It depends if you know what you're doing. I manage to stay a reasonably competent boxer by shadowboxing, despite not having sparred or been in a gym for more than a year. Obviously I'm still way off where I would be had I spent that time with a coach, but the techniques, feints, and flow of movement can be kept reasonably sharp with regular shadowboxing.

My gut instinct is that those clinch escapes aren't as simple as those videos make them out to be. I'm not MMA trained though...although I don't recall ever seeing this move applied in a UFC fight?

For a start, the clinchers (is that a word?) are not really clinching, they are just holding their hands behind the take down guy's neck...an effective clinch isn't going to remain stationary for more than a millisecond before leverage is being changed and applied to the neck.

I'm gonna try and find the time to have a go at them today with one of my instructors and see what happens.

I'll let you know how it goes.

(04-13-2016 02:37 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  My gut instinct is that those clinch escapes aren't as simple as those videos make them out to be. I'm not MMA trained though...although I don't recall ever seeing this move applied in a UFC fight?

For a start, the clinchers (is that a word?) are not really clinching, they are just holding their hands behind the take down guy's neck...an effective clinch isn't going to remain stationary for more than a millisecond before leverage is being changed and applied to the neck.

I'm gonna try and find the time to have a go at them today with one of my instructors and see what happens.

I'll let you know how it goes.

I think 'clinchers' comes straight from your late night browsing history, personally.

I've always been a "wait-and-see" kind of fighter (chessplayer too-the two are similar in style) and I appreciated this film study of Gennady Golovkin's counter-punching:





Of particular note to a boxing newb like me is Golovkin's tendency to counter-punch as his opponent walks forward, increasing the power of his counter.

You don't get anything done through only watching YouTube videos, but what other film studies (boxing and BJJ are my interests for now) do you guys particularly enjoy? Will practice those techniques with a partner when I can.

Just wondering if anyone has actively worked on toughening your hand and knuckles.

I wonder if there is any value to doing this (I think there is) and any long term issues with doing it.

Lately, when I am not at the boxing gym, but the normal one, I will go and bang the bag while I trying to warm up (along with stretching, etc) to lift weights.

I am enjoying the thuds along with knuckles turning a bit red - somehow it feels very barbaric but I enjoy it. Luckily, from boxing, the skin on my knuckles don't rip or bleed. I did experience that 18 months ago when I started boxing (one day I was fucking around and paid the price).

I know I need to be careful since my hands are not wrapped.

Anyone done anything to toughen your hands?

Thanks.

(04-16-2016 02:35 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  Just wondering if anyone has actively worked on toughening your hand and knuckles.

I wonder if there is any value to doing this (I think there is) and any long term issues with doing it.

Lately, when I am not at the boxing gym, but the normal one, I will go and bang the bag while I trying to warm up (along with stretching, etc) to lift weights.

I am enjoying the thuds along with knuckles turning a bit red - somehow it feels very barbaric but I enjoy it. Luckily, from boxing, the skin on my knuckles don't rip or bleed. I did experience that 18 months ago when I started boxing (one day I was fucking around and paid the price).

I know I need to be careful since my hands are not wrapped.

Anyone done anything to toughen your hands?

Thanks.

You can soak your knuckles in paraffin, supposedly. A bit of bag work in 4oz gloves to make sure hand and wrist alignment is good is worth doing. All in all though I am very skeptical about hand hardening. Having tough skin on the knuckles isn't much good to you if your hand bones go in different directions on impact with the target, and that is always going to be a matter of your genetic bone size and density. Plus I tend to think hitting hard things is going to cause problems with arthritis down the road. I do very little heavy bag work. Lots of shadow boxing, some pads, and some sparring. I think a lot of the tough guy stuff is better saved for when you actually need to do the business.

(04-17-2016 08:32 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 02:35 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  Just wondering if anyone has actively worked on toughening your hand and knuckles.

I wonder if there is any value to doing this (I think there is) and any long term issues with doing it.

Lately, when I am not at the boxing gym, but the normal one, I will go and bang the bag while I trying to warm up (along with stretching, etc) to lift weights.

I am enjoying the thuds along with knuckles turning a bit red - somehow it feels very barbaric but I enjoy it. Luckily, from boxing, the skin on my knuckles don't rip or bleed. I did experience that 18 months ago when I started boxing (one day I was fucking around and paid the price).

I know I need to be careful since my hands are not wrapped.

Anyone done anything to toughen your hands?

Thanks.

You can soak your knuckles in paraffin, supposedly. A bit of bag work in 4oz gloves to make sure hand and wrist alignment is good is worth doing. All in all though I am very skeptical about hand hardening. Having tough skin on the knuckles isn't much good to you if your hand bones go in different directions on impact with the target, and that is always going to be a matter of your genetic bone size and density. Plus I tend to think hitting hard things is going to cause problems with arthritis down the road. I do very little heavy bag work. Lots of shadow boxing, some pads, and some sparring. I think a lot of the tough guy stuff is better saved for when you actually need to do the business.

I may have mentioned this before but my Kung Fu instructor keeps two buckets full of little stones in my office that he periodically stands punching into (supposedly to harden his hands further).

Perhaps the placebo effect is at play here.

I think he just likes my attention when I tease him about it.

(04-16-2016 02:35 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  Just wondering if anyone has actively worked on toughening your hand and knuckles.

I wonder if there is any value to doing this (I think there is) and any long term issues with doing it.

Lately, when I am not at the boxing gym, but the normal one, I will go and bang the bag while I trying to warm up (along with stretching, etc) to lift weights.

I am enjoying the thuds along with knuckles turning a bit red - somehow it feels very barbaric but I enjoy it. Luckily, from boxing, the skin on my knuckles don't rip or bleed. I did experience that 18 months ago when I started boxing (one day I was fucking around and paid the price).

I know I need to be careful since my hands are not wrapped.

Anyone done anything to toughen your hands?

Thanks.

German anatomist & surgeon Julius Wolff would argue that as a bone goes under heavy loading, the bone will remodel itself over time to become stronger.

Quote:That bone in a healthy person or animal will adapt to the loads under which it is placed.[1] If loading on a particular bone increases, the bone will remodel itself over time to become stronger to resist that sort of loading.[2][3] The internal architecture of the trabeculae undergoes adaptive changes, followed by secondary changes to the external cortical portion of the bone,[4] perhaps becoming thicker as a result. The inverse is true as well: if the loading on a bone decreases, the bone will become less dense and weaker due to the lack of the stimulus required for continued remodeling.[5] This reduction in bone density (osteopenia) is known as stress shielding and can occur as a result of a hip replacement (or other prosthesis).[6] The normal stress on a bone is shielded from that bone by being placed on a prosthetic implant.

I think the tennis players raquet holding arm example makes a lot of sense.

Quote:The racquet-holding arm bones of tennis players become much stronger than those of the other arm. Their bodies have strengthened the bones in their racquet-holding arm since it is routinely placed under higher than normal stresses. The most critical loads on a tennis player's arms occur during the serve. There are four main phases of a tennis serve and the highest loads occur during external shoulder rotation and ball impact. The combination of high load and arm rotation result in a twisted bone density profile.

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The great Andrew Ward punches a concrete wall to toughen his hands.

^^^ Fighters do all sorts of weird things that they attribute success to...

(04-17-2016 12:02 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(04-17-2016 08:32 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 02:35 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  Just wondering if anyone has actively worked on toughening your hand and knuckles.

I wonder if there is any value to doing this (I think there is) and any long term issues with doing it.

Lately, when I am not at the boxing gym, but the normal one, I will go and bang the bag while I trying to warm up (along with stretching, etc) to lift weights.

I am enjoying the thuds along with knuckles turning a bit red - somehow it feels very barbaric but I enjoy it. Luckily, from boxing, the skin on my knuckles don't rip or bleed. I did experience that 18 months ago when I started boxing (one day I was fucking around and paid the price).

I know I need to be careful since my hands are not wrapped.

Anyone done anything to toughen your hands?

Thanks.

You can soak your knuckles in paraffin, supposedly. A bit of bag work in 4oz gloves to make sure hand and wrist alignment is good is worth doing. All in all though I am very skeptical about hand hardening. Having tough skin on the knuckles isn't much good to you if your hand bones go in different directions on impact with the target, and that is always going to be a matter of your genetic bone size and density. Plus I tend to think hitting hard things is going to cause problems with arthritis down the road. I do very little heavy bag work. Lots of shadow boxing, some pads, and some sparring. I think a lot of the tough guy stuff is better saved for when you actually need to do the business.

I may have mentioned this before but my Kung Fu instructor keeps two buckets full of little stones in my office that he periodically stands punching into (supposedly to harden his hands further).

Perhaps the placebo effect is at play here.

I think he just likes my attention when I tease him about it.

Wasnt it Mayweather who used to do something similar but with a bucket of rice where he dived his hand down and grabed some on the way up? Suposed to be strengthening for the hands.

Personaly, I have done something similar to what the guy in the video above did, but instead of gardening gloves I just hit the heavy bag with wraped hands, no gloves. To that I ad knuckle-pushups and grip strengthening exercises. Since I started doing knuckle-conditioning I swear my punches has got way harder, also confirmed by fellow sparring partners. But if this is because of that, specificly, or if its because of improved tecnique/strength in general I cant be sure of. Guys who do kyukoshin-karate and burmese bare-knuckle boxers should be experts on that part though.

The whole issue of what types of martial art or sportfighting is best for self-defense is kind of strange. It is like asking what is the best type of toothbrush, a comb or a hair brush?

Martial arts and sportsfighting are particular cultural activities with all kinds of built in expectations and limitations. In its way, so is street fighting, but the downside of mismatching your expectations in street fighting can be as severe as death or a coma, so people who want to defend themselves need to think in terms of self-defense, not cultural or sporting activities, no matter that they allow a certain amount of overlap with self defense.

For self defense, awareness and emotional self control are key, along with a clear and applicable fighting strategy. In particular, we need to be able to recognize warnings and escalations and act appropriately in response. The best response, in many situations, is to retreat - warily.

If it is not possible to withdraw, one must attack, decisively. But remember you don't want to go to prison.

Strategically, before we raise our hands, the main thing is to be aware of line and distance. No one can defend himself/stop a punch/attack if he is standing directly in front of the opponent. We do not have the reflexes. The danger distance includes all distances from the opponent including any distance where he can hit us by simply taking a step.

Remember that in self defense we cannot afford to be hit in the jaw, chin, side or top or back of the head. They must be protected at all costs. A classic boxing guard will not do that, although the two hand guard is useful.

Leaving aside balance, which is the most important of all - a self-defense fighting strategy must presume that we are trying to recover from an unsuccessful attack on us. The main considerations are Angle (body angle), Guard (head), Line (flanking them), Distance (manage it), Movement (never stop moving), Aggression (take opportunities).

People should bear in mind that a fight can be anything in the street, and is very often over in 5 seconds, if anyone knows what the are doing, but at the same time street fighting is also a social cultural performance, so people also very often conform to imagined norms of fighting even while so many other of their inhibitions are being released. The person who does not confine himself to such norms has a great advantage.

Note that all of this has little to do with the kind of sparring one sees in martial arts and sportfighting classes. In most cases such sparring is nothing more than reinforcing bad street fighting habits, such as standing in front of an opponent (when in a fight you always want to flank), or maintaining distances and postures that make it convenient for your sparring partner to "fight" with you.

Is it okay to flirt with your training partner? I really like her though. But I read this article, and it scares me a lot.

The Problem With Dating In The Academy

3 Reasons To Train Jiu-Jitsu Together



Need advice from the pros. Thanks!

(04-20-2016 02:46 AM)dassad5a5 Wrote:  Is it okay to flirt with your training partner? I really like her though. But I read this article, and it scares me a lot.

The Problem With Dating In The Academy

3 Reasons To Train Jiu-Jitsu Together



Need advice from the pros. Thanks!

Why are you training with a woman? That would be like weightlifting with a girl. How can you possibly take your training seriously? When all you want to do if bang her. Your question sounds trollish.

Unless she is your size. Which means she is either fat or you may be better off lifting. If she is fat why the fuck would you want to flirt with her? The lifting part is obvious.

I didn't give you the normal thoughtful response because if you thought this was a good idea to consider, I felt I needed to slap it out of you.

Lol samsamsam, he's talking about training jiujitsu not boxing. If a girl is very advanced she can roll with and tap guys bigger than her.

Anyway those two articles are a piece of shit and the fact that they made you "scared" doesn't speak much "alpha" of you.
I say this because the people that are serious about the lifestyle are usually not conventional people including the girls. All girls are attracted to the fighter type but these girls take it an extra step and if you aren't exactly a physical type of guy you probably won't do well with them.

More often than not girls who you have an eye for were already fucked by another guy in the academy (usually the professor/a higher rank belt/pro fighter).

The teachers despite being badass can sometimes be the biggest white knights ever, so be careful with that. If they're players they probably are banging most of the students without you knowing like i said before.

I would just avoid them, not worth the problem for me as an amateur, if you're a pro fighter fuck them and treat them as the pass around sluts most of them are.

Use your status as a jits fighter with girls who don't know shit about fighting like art girls or ballet dancers. I believe in that theory that says that you need a strong polarity between the sexes (most masculine guys attract the most femenine). They are gonna be all over you just from being tired of hanging out with effeminate guys all day, unlike girls that enjoy beating the shit out of other girls.

(04-20-2016 12:54 PM)dog24 Wrote:  Lol samsamsam, he's talking about training jiujitsu not boxing. If a girl is very advanced she can roll with and tap guys bigger than her.

Anyway those two articles are a piece of shit and the fact that they made you "scared" doesn't speak much "alpha" of you.
I say this because the people that are serious about the lifestyle are usually not conventional people including the girls. All girls are attracted to the fighter type but these girls take it an extra step and if you aren't exactly a physical type of guy you probably won't do well with them.

More often than not girls who you have an eye for were already fucked by another guy in the academy (usually the professor/a higher rank belt/pro fighter).

The teachers despite being badass can sometimes be the biggest white knights ever, so be careful with that. If they're players they probably are banging most of the students without you knowing like i said before.

I would just avoid them, not worth the problem for me as an amateur, if you're a pro fighter fuck them and treat them as the pass around sluts most of them are.

Use your status as a jits fighter with girls who don't know shit about fighting like art girls or ballet dancers. I believe in that theory that says that you need a strong polarity between the sexes (most masculine guys attract the most femenine). They are gonna be all over you just from being tired of hanging out with effeminate guys all day, unlike girls that enjoy beating the shit out of other girls.

Thanks for the advice!

Were hanging out now every after training. So I should stop hanging out with her? I'm scared because it might ruin my Jiu Jitsu dating her.

(04-20-2016 12:54 PM)dog24 Wrote:  jits fighter

That's the first time i've ever heard of anyone training in jujitsu being called that. Not would I even consider them that. The vast majority hardly even compete.

Back to the question, I've almost only heard stories where the dude gets kicked out of the dojo because the girl gets pissed off and the teachers white knight. Chill if you want, but if things go south people generally side with the girl even if they like you more.

But you could use that to transition into boxing, or any of the other viable martial arts you could train in your area

Quote:Why are you training with a woman? That would be like weightlifting with a girl.

If the dudes not big and muscular, or quite advanced [which I doubt] chicks can posses a good amount of knowledge. At my old dojo there was a girl doing BJJ who had done 10 years of jujitsu (Japanese traditional, not brazillian) who was very knowledgeable technique wise but I actually never rolled with due to the sheer size difference. Wasn't much in the looks department but she was chill.

I just have an issue with him taking it 100 percent serious from either wanting to bang the girl or not wanting to hurt a girl. I think it is normal to want to take it easy on a girl regardless of what training he is doing.

I still go back to either she is a fat chick or the OP could use some size and that would require some lifting. I know it is a series of assumptions here and he is welcome to do what he wishes. Just trying to help.

There's a very good business reason why MA gym owners "white knight" for female students, beyond wanting to bang them (which does happen, for sure).

Money.

Women spend more.

Women care what other women think/say/do.

These two things mean that if you have attractive women training at your gym you protect them like your life depends upon it. Make one mistake and a whole lump of your student base walks out the door never to be seen again...taking their $$$ with them.

Whether you like it or not.

(04-21-2016 03:51 AM)dassad5a5 Wrote:  Thanks for the advice!

Were hanging out now every after training. So I should stop hanging out with her? I'm scared because it might ruin my Jiu Jitsu dating her.

You are talking to other guys you don't know on an anonymous internet forum, you don't have to stop hanging out with her if that's what you want. You seem very indecisive not just regarding training but in ife in general, you're probably just still young.

Assuming you're still a white belt you don't have a lot of jiu jitsu to ruin to begin with, i wouldn't worry about it, happens all the time at the place i train right now. Guys would flirt with this girl and we all laugh about it because we know the teacher is banging her.

A good date idea would be to tell this girl that you found a new move on youtube or bought a instructional dvd and ask her if she wants to practice a few moves at your place.

Girls absolutely love being manhandled and a lot of girls i went out with(who didn't know anything about fighting) asked me to show them a few locks as an excuse to feeling that way.

(04-21-2016 06:01 AM)cascadecombo Wrote:  jits fighter

That's the first time i've ever heard of anyone training in jujitsu being called that. Not would I even consider them that. The vast majority hardly even compete.

I know, i was just trying to give confidence to a guy who says he's scared to talking to girls.

(04-21-2016 06:01 AM)cascadecombo Wrote:  But you could use that to transition into boxing, or any of the other viable martial arts you could train in your area

As long as he doesn't transition into wrestling...

(04-21-2016 06:01 AM)cascadecombo Wrote:  At my old dojo there was a girl doing BJJ who had done 10 years of jujitsu (Japanese traditional, not brazillian) who was very knowledgeable technique wise.

My old teacher was a black belt in japanese jiu jitsu, he said he wasted all those years and this was still when he was a purple belt at bjj.
It would be a long post based on things you can easily google, but long story short bjj is just a lot more effective because it allows more sparring.

(04-20-2016 02:46 AM)dassad5a5 Wrote:  Is it okay to flirt with your training partner? I really like her though. But I read this article, and it scares me a lot.

The Problem With Dating In The Academy

3 Reasons To Train Jiu-Jitsu Together


Need advice from the pros. Thanks!

I'm not a pro at anything but am mid-level BJJ, have trained a lot and can say no, you definitely shouldn't do that. Ruins team chemistry

(04-21-2016 11:51 AM)dog24 Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 03:51 AM)dassad5a5 Wrote:  Thanks for the advice!

Were hanging out now every after training. So I should stop hanging out with her? I'm scared because it might ruin my Jiu Jitsu dating her.

You are talking to other guys you don't know on an anonymous internet forum, you don't have to stop hanging out with her if that's what you want. You seem very indecisive not just regarding training but in ife in general, you're probably just still young.

Assuming you're still a white belt you don't have a lot of jiu jitsu to ruin to begin with, i wouldn't worry about it, happens all the time at the place i train right now. Guys would flirt with this girl and we all laugh about it because we know the teacher is banging her.

A good date idea would be to tell this girl that you found a new move on youtube or bought a instructional dvd and ask her if she wants to practice a few moves at your place.

Girls absolutely love being manhandled and a lot of girls i went out with(who didn't know anything about fighting) asked me to show them a few locks as an excuse to feeling that way.

(04-21-2016 06:01 AM)cascadecombo Wrote:  jits fighter

That's the first time i've ever heard of anyone training in jujitsu being called that. Not would I even consider them that. The vast majority hardly even compete.

I know, i was just trying to give confidence to a guy who says he's scared to talking to girls.

(04-21-2016 06:01 AM)cascadecombo Wrote:  But you could use that to transition into boxing, or any of the other viable martial arts you could train in your area

As long as he doesn't transition into wrestling...

(04-21-2016 06:01 AM)cascadecombo Wrote:  At my old dojo there was a girl doing BJJ who had done 10 years of jujitsu (Japanese traditional, not brazillian) who was very knowledgeable technique wise.

My old teacher was a black belt in japanese jiu jitsu, he said he wasted all those years and this was still when he was a purple belt at bjj.
It would be a long post based on things you can easily google, but long story short bjj is just a lot more effective because it allows more sparring.

I'm a blue belt and competed twice already. My problem is dating her or having a relationship with her might ruin our team chemistry. We love our team so much. Like from different gyms, having a relationship ruin the team chemistry because they're together. And we already kissed after our date last night.

Lately I feel like I'm starting to improve my body awareness and understanding of what/how I should train. I'm a classic ectomorph, slim, long, lanky, naturally weak. I have little exploding power but I'm a cardio machine, and super flexible.

If I'm doing weights to improve strength, I noticed 5x5 is terrible for me - the mental and physical fatigue of 5 sets is too big. Instead I've cut down some exercises; been doing 3 sets of reverse pyramid training for the big compounds; and taking longer breaks between each set. Although I'm still very weak I've been seeing a lot of improvement even after years of training and I actually feel good after leaving the gym rather than exhausted.

How much do you guys tailor your S&C to your particular strenghts and weaknesses on the mat/ring?

http://www.bjjee.com/articles/the-rise-o...president/

Quote:Almost a decade later, following the success of sambo, judo and wrestling players in mainstream MMA, the debate about their grappling abilities arose on forums, such as Sherdog, where it was discussed at length, why ADCC, NAGA and such are not enjoying the entries of many sambo and judo grapplers. Truth is, all of those sports are heavily relying on pins in their ground work. And since BJJ scoring is completely different, they actually dont have many tools in the box to secure a medal. Some sambo players started experimenting with their local no- kurtka tournaments, mixing up sambo scoring with no- gi grappling… Up until 2013, when the bulgarian Ivaylo Ivanov came with the adaptation of no- kurtka sambo rules to the already existing Combat Wrestling format and formed the International Federation of Combat Wrestling (FICW). The original founder Kiguchi Noriaki gave his blessings to the newly found federation, permitted the official use of the name and accepted the post of Honorary President of FICW, joining forces with a strong international team to promote the most balanced grappling rule set up to date…

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