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U.S Military G.I bill - Anyone used it before?
Im coming to the end of my military contract soon enough and I want to get the most out of the G.I bill, the only thing Is I want to live in central or eastern europe. I was thinking of doing online U.S courses and then just living in europe.

Anyone have any thoughts or experiences?
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What online programs are you looking into? Where do you live?

For the love of sweet baby jesus, don't sign up for any for profit programs, you won't get taken seriously in the job market. By these I mean Univ of Phoenix, ITT Tech, DeVry, Kaplan. These schools love to recruit vets and your top will sure as fuck bring these folks to talk to you about the great opportunities that await at MilkYouDry Tech. Sure, there are some folks who got degrees from here and got some gov't contractor gig overseas as the employer didn't give a shit but these jobs died up. That's not the case any more, you will see job posts that say "no UoP/ITT/Devry grads".

If you're gonna go the online route, pick an all online schedule from a community college, then a 4 year uni, as they're easier than universities. Also, make sure that the courses do not require a proctored test in a "test room" at school.

Good online programs to choose from: Arizona State/U of Arizona, Penn State, Ohio State, UNT. Any community college will let you do your "basics" (first two years) online, but it's not guaranteed to transfer out of state for the last 2 years. Western Governors is quite good as well.

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(04-26-2016 09:40 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  What online programs are you looking into? Where do you live?

For the love of sweet baby jesus, don't sign up for any for profit programs, you won't get taken seriously in the job market. By these I mean Univ of Phoenix, ITT Tech, DeVry, Kaplan. These schools love to recruit vets and your top will sure as fuck bring these folks to talk to you about the great opportunities that await at MilkYouDry Tech. Sure, there are some folks who got degrees from here and got some gov't contractor gig overseas as the employer didn't give a shit but these jobs died up. That's not the case any more, you will see job posts that say "no UoP/ITT/Devry grads".

If you're gonna go the online route, pick an all online schedule from a community college, then a 4 year uni, as they're easier than universities. Also, make sure that the courses do not require a proctored test in a "test room" at school.

Good online programs to choose from: Arizona State/U of Arizona, Penn State, Ohio State, UNT. Any community college will let you do your "basics" (first two years) online, but it's not guaranteed to transfer out of state for the last 2 years. Western Governors is quite good as well.

Yes, it goes without saying I would avoid any of the ridiculous online schools. Your suggestion of community college for 2 years is excellent, although I forgot to mention I already have about 70~ or so credits in various areas from my previous university experience, though, I have NO idea how theyll transfer to other schools.

Such is the minefield of the american education system.
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You first need to do some research on whether you are eligible for the G.I. and/or Post 9/11. Each has their own eligibility requirements and different benefits.
Regardless, the #1 benefit that comes out of military service is the educational opportunities, IMO. Be sure to take advantage of them.
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(04-26-2016 10:03 PM)hoops330 Wrote:  You first need to do some research on whether you are eligible for the G.I. and/or Post 9/11. Each has their own eligibility requirements and different benefits.
Regardless, the #1 benefit that comes out of military service is the educational opportunities, IMO. Be sure to take advantage of them.

I'm eligible for both, in fact i Already paid the $1,000 towards the Montgomery G.I bill, but you can always change to the 9/11 (and not be allowed to change back).
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Some of the following information might be a bit outdated since Congress seems to tweak with the GI Bill every year and I'm not going to go look up the most current information. I'm speaking about the 9/11 GI Bill by the way.

1. Doing strictly online classes with the GI Bill is pretty stupid from cost/benefit perspective. If you do strictly online classes, the GI Bill will only give you like $600/month for living expenses.

If you lived in NYC, went to school full time (you can still do online; just need one in-person class per term), you would get around 3000/month tax free. No, that's not a typo. E-5 w/dependent BAH is that much. If you get a roommate or can live with a relative, you can actually go to school full-time and MAKE MONEY as a full-time student!

2. If you do in-person classes at a non-US school (American schools with overseas campuses might be an exception to this; look it up), you will get around 1200 or 1300 a month in BAH regardless of the local cost of living. That can be decent money in a 3rd world country but weak in expensive cities like London, Paris, etc where you would get a lot more in BAH money in the equivalent US city.

3. The 9/11 GI Bill (which you should get since it's WAY MORE valuable than the old GI Bill) is one of the few times in modern history where the government actually made things better for a set of government employees; as oppose to reducing benefits.

It truly is a fantastic benefit (potential full-ride to an expensive undergrad/grad program when combined with the yellow ribbon program + plus living costs covered) and it's not something that should be wasted on some half-ass education plan and/or just be used primarily as a vehicle to live in some 2nd/3rd nation for a few years. You CAN do these things but it's such a giant waste of opportunity.

You could apply to top 10 MBA programs for example that cost 100,000+ in tutiion alone and come out 2 years later having minimal or even no debt when it's all said and done. Another example: If you got your pre-med shit out of the way, the full GI Bill benefit could cover the majority of medical school expenses. Insane.

4. The 9/11 GI Bill is allocated based on usage in months; not classes or monetary amount (there are money cap limits but that's not what I'm getting at).

Goto school full-time for 4 months = 4 months of benefits.
Goto school part-time for 4 months = 4 months of benefits (you get way less BAH benefit as well).

Point is: go full-time or don't go at all.

So this is what I would consider doing:

1. If you can move in for free with your parents/relatives/friends: Do any of them live near any good schools with programs that interest you?

If you can live cheaply or for free with a relative and as I alluded to in the NYC example, you can live off the BAH benefit alone. This will allow you to fuck off, pursue other opportunities since you have more free time, and make going to school a far less stressful experience since working while attending can be a choice; not a requirement. If things line up right, you can really make some solid money; especially if you can get free accommodation in an expensive region like NYC.

2. If cheap/free accommodations and the good school combo doesn't exist or you don't want to do it for whatever reason (want your own place), move to a city in the US or elsewhere that you could see yourself living in post-college. Make sure the school has a decent program but largely use your extra time to network, work, and build a rep in the area. If picking a place in the US, consider going somewhere with high rents since the gov't is gong to pay for it any way. You can goto some country school in Texas and get 600/month BAH or you could goto NYC and 3000/month. You can always move to some typical college town down the line but why waste free government money and the opportunity to get subsidized living in a 1st tier city? Imagine living in a 1st tier city, being a full-time student, and NOT having to work (or just barely work)? Tons of extra time to make contacts, get work done, and bang broads.

Also on a side note: you might want to live in a major city over a college town as well since as an ex-military guy, you will have some trouble relating to the undergrad crowd. Hot as balls to look at but can be REALLY difficult to connect with on various levels. In a city, you have WAY more game opportunities that will be a better match. College town vs free time to explore/game in a place like lower Manhattan for years? Fuck, I know where I'm going. But to each and their own.

3. Goto a top program (city doesn't matter) and enjoy the benefits of developing high level connections and obtaining a solid education pedigree. Leverage into high-paying/desirable career path.

No matter what, just understand that you got a guaranteed 36 months of one of the greatest scholarship programs in history. Don't fuck it up.
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First of all, make sure to switch over to the Post 9/11, and I hope you have been taking courses during your active duty time while TA was free. I left the military with an AA.

I am currently studying in Europe using my GI Bill, it has allowed me to attend a good university while also paying me BAH per month. It is a great opportunity that I'm surprised more former military service members are not using. I never researched the online options for the benefits but the VA benefits website has information that may be pertinent to you. For example, how much BAH you would get for online courses.

However, if you are open to taking regular courses at a brick and mortar university, here are some tips:

1. Your first step is to figure out which university you want to go to. Note, there are foreign universities that are already on a VA-approved list to receive VA tuition payments. There is a page on the VA benefits website that actually breaks down all the schools outside of the US that are already VA-approved, along with the degrees within those universities that have been approved. Don't fret if you find a university that you like and it is not on the approved list. There is a process to have a university and degree program approved. Look into it.

2. Second. Choose your degree and make sure it is approved. If not, you can get the approval form from the VA website and send it to your desired university. Each university should have a foreign student rep or something related to that, so they can help you. Even my school here in the Netherlands has a VA rep that takes care of all my approvals and benefit requests for me.

3. Once you have determined your university and degree, look at the average cost of living in the area you want to study. Your BAH payment per month caps out at around $1530 for foreign schools so that should play a huge part in your decision. It is the main reason I am studying in the Netherlands and not Switzerland (cost of living was too high).

4. Next you need to look at the residence permit process of your desired country, make sure it won't be a problem. It usually is not. You normally get a study visa through whichever university you apply for.

5. Now you need to apply for the university. If accepted, you can get the ball rolling to have the VA send the tuition to your university and BAH to you.

I cannot remember every single detail as I did this a couple of years ago but I got all my information from the VA Benefits website. That is a great resource to use for this process.
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(04-27-2016 12:15 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  Some of the following information might be a bit outdated since Congress seems to tweak with the GI Bill every year and I'm not going to go look up the most current information. I'm speaking about the 9/11 GI Bill by the way.

1. Doing strictly online classes with the GI Bill is pretty stupid from cost/benefit perspective. If you do strictly online classes, the GI Bill will only give you like $600/month for living expenses.

If you lived in NYC, went to school full time (you can still do online; just need one in-person class per term), you would get around 3000/month tax free. No, that's not a typo. E-5 w/dependent BAH is that much. If you get a roommate or can live with a relative, you can actually go to school full-time and MAKE MONEY as a full-time student!

2. If you do in-person classes at a non-US school (American schools with overseas campuses might be an exception to this; look it up), you will get around 1200 or 1300 a month in BAH regardless of the local cost of living. That can be decent money in a 3rd world country but weak in expensive cities like London, Paris, etc where you would get a lot more in BAH money in the equivalent US city.

3. The 9/11 GI Bill (which you should get since it's WAY MORE valuable than the old GI Bill) is one of the few times in modern history where the government actually made things better for a set of government employees; as oppose to reducing benefits.

It truly is a fantastic benefit (potential full-ride to an expensive undergrad/grad program when combined with the yellow ribbon program + plus living costs covered) and it's not something that should be wasted on some half-ass education plan and/or just be used primarily as a vehicle to live in some 2nd/3rd nation for a few years. You CAN do these things but it's such a giant waste of opportunity.

You could apply to top 10 MBA programs for example that cost 100,000+ in tutiion alone and come out 2 years later having minimal or even no debt when it's all said and done. Another example: If you got your pre-med shit out of the way, the full GI Bill benefit could cover the majority of medical school expenses. Insane.

4. The 9/11 GI Bill is allocated based on usage in months; not classes or monetary amount (there are money cap limits but that's not what I'm getting at).

Goto school full-time for 4 months = 4 months of benefits.
Goto school part-time for 4 months = 4 months of benefits (you get way less BAH benefit as well).

Point is: go full-time or don't go at all.

So this is what I would consider doing:

1. If you can move in for free with your parents/relatives/friends: Do any of them live near any good schools with programs that interest you?

If you can live cheaply or for free with a relative and as I alluded to in the NYC example, you can live off the BAH benefit alone. This will allow you to fuck off, pursue other opportunities since you have more free time, and make going to school a far less stressful experience since working while attending can be a choice; not a requirement. If things line up right, you can really make some solid money; especially if you can get free accommodation in an expensive region like NYC.

2. If cheap/free accommodations and the good school combo doesn't exist or you don't want to do it for whatever reason (want your own place), move to a city in the US or elsewhere that you could see yourself living in post-college. Make sure the school has a decent program but largely use your extra time to network, work, and build a rep in the area. If picking a place in the US, consider going somewhere with high rents since the gov't is gong to pay for it any way. You can goto some country school in Texas and get 600/month BAH or you could goto NYC and 3000/month. You can always move to some typical college town down the line but why waste free government money and the opportunity to get subsidized living in a 1st tier city? Imagine living in a 1st tier city, being a full-time student, and NOT having to work (or just barely work)? Tons of extra time to make contacts, get work done, and bang broads.

Also on a side note: you might want to live in a major city over a college town since as an ex-military guy, you will have some trouble relating to he undergrad crowd. Hot as balls to look at but can be REALLY difficult to connect with on various levels. In city, you have WAY more game opportunities that will be a better match. But to each and their own.

3. Goto a top program (city doesn't matter) and enjoy the benefits of developing high level connections and obtaining a solid education pedigree.

No matter what, just understand that you got a guaranteed 36 months of one of the greatest scholarship programs in history. Don't fuck it up.

What he said. Also you may want to do the traditional GI bill for 1 year, and then switch over to the post 9/11 for 3 years. That way you get all 4 years of school covered. If you switch over right away you may fuck yourself out of one free year of tuition. Talk to your schools VA rep and they'll get it squared away for you.

If you want to live overseas save up some money while you're in; then live overseas during the summer months while not taking classes in a 2nd or 3rd world country. With the extra money you get from the post 9/11 GI bill for living expenses + pell grants you should be able to make some money if you spend wisely. A house near the beach somewhere in the Dominican Republic for example is very affordable. As is food, transportation, and other basics. If you want to MAKE money and travel during the summer go teach English overseas. There are many programs that provide: food, housing, and a paycheck for english teachers. The only thing you have to pay for is airfare.

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Do not do that. You don't know how much money you would be draining down the toilet.

Go to a community college for a year and get some basics out of the way. Get a part time job and keep expenses low. The beginning of your second year of CC, then you begin using your GI Bill. Now you have 4 years to complete a Bachelors with one year of CC out of the way. If you live in a big city you'll get around $2000 a month just for going to school.

If you spend that money on an "online" program you're a fool. I know you're young, but if I was your age this is what I'd do.

Source: a guy who's been there done that. Just get it out of the way and then do the Euro fantasy trip.
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(04-27-2016 12:17 AM)Fury Wrote:  I am currently studying in Europe using my GI Bill, it has allowed me to attend a good university while also paying me BAH per month. It is a great opportunity that I'm surprised more former military service members are not using. I never researched the online options for the benefits but the VA benefits website has information that may be pertinent to you. For example, how much BAH you would get for online courses.

The GI Bill can be used for a school overseas? If so, I might look into it.
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Don't forget that the GI Bill pays those same benefits to you if you choose to do an OJT program with a new career. I was getting paid a full-time salary of $69,000 plus $2,000 extra per month in tax-free BAH.

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(04-26-2016 09:49 PM)cov Wrote:  Yes, it goes without saying I would avoid any of the ridiculous online schools. Your suggestion of community college for 2 years is excellent, although I forgot to mention I already have about 70~ or so credits in various areas from my previous university experience, though, I have NO idea how theyll transfer to other schools.

Such is the minefield of the american education system.

I can't speak for the GI bill . However those spare college credits you have left over will definitely be useful. With 70 odd credits, it sounds like you did at least a year and a half of college. How many semesters did you do?

If those classes you took were general ed 100 level classes taken from a properly accredited university/college, most of those credits will carry over and count towards your new degree. You can transfer these credits between institutions by contacting your old university.

Some colleges can be really dicky though about transferring credits though in an effort to force you to pay extra tuition for their gen ed classes. These are mostly the private liberal arts colleges. Big name state schools like the ones recommended by Cattle Rustler generally won't care and take anything so long from any reputable institution. It's the 200+ level classes that will start getting dicy. Check with your college admissions department to see what they'll take. They can help walk you through the whole process.

Those old credits might allow you to avoid having to do time at the community college before going to a big name school. No point in taking college classes you don't need to do again.
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Currently studying at a top 20 graduate program in my field using GI bill

It's easy to do. Most of the advice you're getting is spot on.

Here's the thing. GI Bill will cover 100% of full time tuition at public colleges. They no have to charge you in-state rate if you're within 3 years of discharge on the GI Bill so you're getting a free ride with housing allowance. It would be stupid to use this on anything other than the biggest name you can get for the money.

What's your field? This makes a huge difference which school you look at but the general principle remains true. You could be getting a free ride to Georgia Tech if you want a top 10 engineering degree. Or you could attend UMich, UCLA, IU, or UNC which all launch directly into six figure Wall Street jobs. For grad school it could pay for UCSF, one of the country's best medical degrees There are also multiple top 20 law schools you could pay for.


The RoI for anyone of those schools would be exponentially greater than going for an unranked online or community school....and that's just talking about the entry level job you'll get. Exit opportunities in each area are even more lucrative.
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(04-27-2016 06:07 AM)MdWanderer Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 12:17 AM)Fury Wrote:  I am currently studying in Europe using my GI Bill, it has allowed me to attend a good university while also paying me BAH per month. It is a great opportunity that I'm surprised more former military service members are not using. I never researched the online options for the benefits but the VA benefits website has information that may be pertinent to you. For example, how much BAH you would get for online courses.

The GI Bill can be used for a school overseas? If so, I might look into it.

Yes, there is a pre-approved list of foreign schools you can attend. If your desired university is not on the list, I believe there is a process to have the university to apply for approval. I highly suggest it for anyone that wants to work live and work in Europe. It's one of the main reasons I chose to study here, I knew that in the long term, I wanted to stay in Europe.
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You're getting good advice on this thread.

I'm using the Post 9/11 for a split resident and online graduate program. I get full tuition for the program and full BAH during campus sessions, and online BAH during the rest of the year. Campus BAH pays my hotel and drinking, and the extra $768 online BAH is nice while I'm working full time. You could also use that for a nice travel supplement if you have additional side income coming in.

Like most others said, just make sure it's a quality program and that GI Bill plus Yellow Ribbon will pay ALL of your tuition. There are too many great programs that are paid for to put yourself in any debt.
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Word to the wise, for those who don't know:

I don't know all the details, but I have it on good authority, that once you have depleted your benefits under the post 9-11 GI Bill, you have the ability to reclaim the 1,200 dollars that you paid in during the first year of your enlistment.

I know it doesn't make since. When you join the military, you are given the option to opt into the education benefits. By opting in, you agree to have $100 dollars deducted from your pay for the first year. Obviously this is a no-brainer because the return on investment is in the thousands of dollars.

I will have depleted my military benefits before the conclusion of this year and at that time I will investigate the actual procedure for reclaiming that $1,200. I will post again with the details of the procedure at that time.
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I used the GI Bill to pay my way through college albeit staying with my parents. Great deal and I still had money left over due to a "kicker" program that I paid some more money into. Not sure what it was called.

I had to basically confirm "attendance" every semester. This can be done online. Once it was done, the money would be in the bank within a couple weeks. You get the money which is a predetermined amount and then you pay tuition with that.

Online is NOT a great idea. You need discipline for that. No one please tell me that since someone was in the military, they should have discipline. It does not work that way. You need discipline in order to complete online courses. Your discipline infrastructure is basically nonexistent as soon as you leave the military. What this means is that you need to discipline yourself. This is not easy for a lot of military members that suddenly turn into veterans cold turkey. It is much easier and more effective to go to school full-time use the GI Bill and potentially stay with a relative or a friend and complete the degree program.

I am a CPA. I also worked at one of the largest accounting firms in the world. If it was not for the GI bill it would not have been possible. I also busted my ass mainly because I was grateful.

I'm speaking from experience. So please take it for what it's worth no matter what you think it is.

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(04-27-2016 01:58 PM)Fury Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 06:07 AM)MdWanderer Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 12:17 AM)Fury Wrote:  I am currently studying in Europe using my GI Bill, it has allowed me to attend a good university while also paying me BAH per month. It is a great opportunity that I'm surprised more former military service members are not using. I never researched the online options for the benefits but the VA benefits website has information that may be pertinent to you. For example, how much BAH you would get for online courses.

The GI Bill can be used for a school overseas? If so, I might look into it.

Yes, there is a pre-approved list of foreign schools you can attend. If your desired university is not on the list, I believe there is a process to have the university to apply for approval. I highly suggest it for anyone that wants to work live and work in Europe. It's one of the main reasons I chose to study here, I knew that in the long term, I wanted to stay in Europe.

I almost went to a European school. Keep in mind that the amount they can pay to foreign schools is capped at a certain amount. The flipside is that most European schools have the same "diversity" crap going on which makes it significantly easier for foreign students to apply to and receive additional aid at said schools.
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Looks like I'm going to have to find a European University to go to as I can't stand the USA, guess I'll have to do a recon trip and find what suits me best.

Looking at Poland, Czech Republic Budapest, and Estonia.
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What discipline and what level of study? Makes a huge difference. Also keep in mind that language offerings can vary significantly between schools.
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(05-09-2016 12:03 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  What discipline and what level of study? Makes a huge difference. Also keep in mind that language offerings can vary significantly between schools.

I've checked and many polish schools as well as schools in prague and they offer full english programs. They offer stuff like international business, finance, marketing, economics.
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If you are determined to study in Europe, then it is well worth it to come out here. However, you have to consider a few things. For instance, your financial situation.

I was well prepared before I came out here. After 8 years in the military I contracted in Afghanistan for a year. Not only did I come to Europe debt free (with the exception of my mortgage), I also came with a lot of money saved up from working. So I had a very soft cushion when I arrived, which helps as the cost of living will take some time adjusting to in Europe. As I mentioned earlier, BAH for foreign schools caps out around $1530 per month, so factor that into your projected cost of living in the city of study.

Next, research the ranking and reputation of your desired university. I know this sounds a bit pretentious but I will not spend my benefits going to a sub-standard university. Especially when you have to consider your education as a factor in future employment. It looks like you are 'business' oriented like myself. Right now I am doing a BA in the Netherlands but I plan on doing my MBA in a German speaking country (most likely Germany, but I have my eye on Austria). I have narrowed my list down to a handful schools and I based that on rank and accreditation. Realistically I will only apply to the 2-3 that have the business school "Triple Crown" accreditation. Just a personal preference for me as I want the best MBA (and all the intangibles associated with it) my GI Bill could buy.

I do know a retired Air Force guy that is studying in Prague and it seems like he is enjoying it. I'm not sure the level of his university but I know that he makes out like a bandit with the BAH. The cost of living for him in Prague is very reasonable as opposed to mine in the Netherlands. So he is able to stretch those monthly paychecks much further. I saw a photo of his apartment and it was really nice compared to my small and average looking apartment for which I pay several hundred euros per month.

I haven't looked into Poland, Estonia, or Hungary but I'm not sure where they rank for Business programs; but if you are determined to live long term in one of those places, then I can see why you chose them. Of course these are just suggestions based on my opinion so take with a grain of salt as you will always know what is best for yourself.
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Fury did your previous classes you took on TA while in the military transfer to the school in the Netherlands? I get out of the Marine Corps in about 10 months and I'm thinking of moving back to Budapest to study. Also what was the process like enrolling into a foreign school?
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Listen to what Fury is telling you. In my case the expected salary difference between the "parh of least resistance" program and the school I attended was over 40k/ year.....and that's just the first year. On my career path the difference is exponential.


Right now it sounds like you're playing checkers when you should be playing chess. Figure out what kind of job you're interested in, then figure out which program is most likely to get you there. For a non local it might not be the local school....e.g at the graduate level your best bet is to either go to an "M7" MBA in the US(look the term up) or attend a well known international program like INSEAD.

You should look at real world results.

On my mobile now but I'll post on my laptop shortly to give you a good step by step
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OK.

This isn't necessary by any means because you can find a lot of what you need on school websites and ranking websites, but here is what will be extremely helpful.

Your best bet is if you can find anyone else who has succeeeded at doing what you're doing. This means you'll want someone who has been a US -> EE expat. There's a lot on here who have done that.

Outside of here there's three key resources you need to hit up. First is that there are a huge number of expat forums. Talk to people on there and pose your question there.

Second is that you need to identify some specific companies and schools. Begin with what discipline you want and identify some companies with EE operations. Then, you're going to look at the exact function and use your own resourcefulness to find out which schools they like to hire from. LinkedIN automatically tracks some of that data, or you can try to get in touch with HR and see if you can't ask them what their target schools are. That should help you develop a good list of schools you should be targeting.

Third and most importantly, NETWORK. The veteran's network is incredibly powerful and will help you break into areas that otherwise you would have no realistic shot at. I know multiple people who got into extremely elite Wall Street firms, MBB consulting, etc and the like from non-prestigious schools by using that military network. Use Linked in for starters. As a vet you can get a free year of premium membership. Look into that and do it. The search you want will be a lot of trial and error in this case but you will have to make it work. I would suggest trying to find expats by putting three filters on your search. Use "past company" to screen for vets and set the location to a city that you're looking at. That should help you find some expat vets and odds are one or two of them will have gone to school. Get in touch with them to ask about their experiences.

Second is reach out directly to veterans programs at schools and companies. Very few European schools will have the same kind of veteran support, but almost all US schools will have strong programs(If you're open to good US based business schools PM me and we can talk offline). Companies themselves also will have veteran hiring initiatives with program managers who are usually very willing to spare a few minutes to talk to other vets.


Here's another option you need to keep in mind. It may be massively easier to work for a US conglomerate with EE operations than to get a foreign company to sponsor you for a local work visa. Many of them will have separate departments, can more easily get you in than a local company, and most importantly They will be comfortable hiring a vet to work in an overseas office because it's low risk compared to American employees: they know you're comfortable and capable with working abroad
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