Post: #1

When I arrived in Sweden I had been off my game for quite some time. To be realistic with myself I had not been able to really get out there and follow through on my leads. Time was just not on my side as almost all my waking moments were fully booked.

Having said that, I was not blind to what was going on around me. I had my walk to and from the gym every second day and I used this as an opportunity to make sure that I did not let too many women pass me by that I could start up a conversation with. I still was sure to chat with a few new women every day, even though I could not do anything beyond a nice flirt. It had been two months since I had followed leads, and now I was gearing up to move over to Sweden. Plus I had an amazing woman on my arm, and another that would do anything for me if I would only ask.

One thing that I have had to really push myself with is trying to quicken my reaction to eye contact on the street. The times where I have wit on my side and am able to respond quickly enough, the conversation has always been extremely sexually charged right from the drop. Some things that I am looking to start doing are slowing down as I meet a woman in case she looks me down. I imagine that because she is moving she will not be able to perceive my reduction in speed. This also makes it easier to react. Many times strong eye contact on her part will happen while I was at full stride. In this type of contact, milliseconds are critical. When this happens and I complete my stride and turn around, she is three steps in the other direction and rarely (like 2% of the time) will she then respond to any sort of contact. I think this is because at that distance any try for communication will come across as a cat call. Women are hardwired to absorb the compliment and ignore the man.

So the adjustment to my game in Sweden is going to hinge on the accidental contact. During day hours, eye contact is rare and I have a feeling that if I approached from the front and with some sort of conversation starter the woman would be a little anxious. I have used a certain amount of trials so far, and the response has been good but they have lead nowhere.

One way of breaking the ice that I have been using is photography. I will target women who are well made up and dressed well (essentially the type of women I go for in general) and I will approach and ask them for a moment of time for a favour. I will explain that I am working on a project that is looking at some of the unique fashion trends from Scandinavia and how they compare to Canadian winter fashion. I will point out some of the more interesting accessories that she is wearing and talk about them while trying to get her to open up a bit. If she is in a hurry, at this point I will just let her be on her way. If she shows no sign of needing to leave, I tell her I would like to take a few photos of her. Swedish girls are generally a bit on the shy side, but are still feminine enough to be flattered and allow themselves to be ordered around quite happily. I don’t use a large DSLR camera, and instead use a high end compact camera as I want to come across as being more natural and not out creeping the streets for photos. I think that this is impotant as many times I get the feeling that women are more on guard against creepy behavior then they are about being chatted up on the street.

At the end, I will make a point of looking at the images and I will quickly select the best image as 99% of the time they are excited to see the results. I make them come over to look over my shoulder and the reaction is always really good.

I sometimes will flip through a few more than I have to and show them a couple strong images from other shoots. Women love photography, especially when they are in it and look good. This is also the perfect time to move into a better conversation about fashion. I have past experience in the fashion world and I still have many friends involved in it. I attend fashion shows and label launches when I can, so I know how to talk about this comfortably. If the vibe is strong I will suggest moving on to a café. So far in Sweden I have not been to this level yet. This is where I am going to have to work on my game. I also have only used the camera angle three afternoons since I have been here. I can see that it will reward me in time, but until I have more connection with Swedish girls, I will also have to rely heavily on cold approaches. For this I use a more over the shoulder, or stop and ponder then chat.

The city I am in is only 110,000 people so not many are in a hurry. Most are just burning time or running errands. The lack of eye contact and the shyness of Swedes play a factor in how I can approach them. So farI have only been told once that they are not interested in talking. The other times (I approach about 5- 10 a day when I am in the centre) have been extremely good. Swedish girls are extremely bright and like to laugh and giggle. This makes it easy to use a situation to open a conversation as they are aware people and chances are that they have picked up on the same thing that I have.

So what I am going to concentrate on working on is finding the strongest way to:
- Get numbers
- Instadates
- Invites to parties (Swedish pre parties especially if its Thursday to Saturday)

Some of the things that I feel would help in this matter is if I can get myself to slow down a bit. I am not sure how to explain this fully, but when I recap a situation I feel that I might have bailed too soon and not given myself enough credit that things were going good. By slowing down, I feel that I might become more aware of body language and her indications of interest.

I have only been here a week, so I also need to get a hold of the sexuality of Swedish women. This is especially important as I am in a smaller city and everything that I know of Swedish women was from meeting them in Spain or Thailand or places like that. Different people entirely. What I am starting to gather is that they are extremely tight with their girlfriends and do not seem to be concerned much about boys. I know this is not entirely true, as I seen groups of guys and girls about 10 large on the weekend. There is a brother/ sister vibe to the group for the most part, but I also began to pick up on subtle clues that sex was on the table. I need to look for this more to see what those clues are in order to start to use them to my advantage. Swedish girls certainly do not act as openly sexual as English speaking women do. I am starting to think that they save this for the bedroom. I am starting to see an open sexual vibe here, so it is a matter of figuring out how to get into it in a way that Swedes can relate to.

Post: #2

Laner, which city are you in? I'm going to hit either Lund or Uppsala as an exchange student for a year in the future.

Post: #3

(01-18-2012 05:14 PM)P Dog Wrote:  Laner, which city are you in? I'm going to hit either Lund or Uppsala as an exchange student for a year in the future.

P Dog, I was an exchange student at Uppsala University for one year about 14 yrs ago. I had a good time overall, but because it is probably the best university in Sweden and the hardest to get in, you tend to get a higher percentage of studious, feminist, serious and socially awkward girls. Sort of like a Harvard or ivy league university in the US, and most americans know that the quality aint good in these feminist outposts. So i woud try Univ. of Stockholm, Lund, Malmo, Gothenburg, etc as they have more normal and hotter swedish girls.

Post: #4

(01-18-2012 08:52 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(01-18-2012 05:14 PM)P Dog Wrote:  Laner, which city are you in? I'm going to hit either Lund or Uppsala as an exchange student for a year in the future.

P Dog, I was an exchange student at Uppsala University for one year about 14 yrs ago. I had a good time overall, but because it is probably the best university in Sweden and the hardest to get in, you tend to get a higher percentage of studious, feminist, serious and socially awkward girls. Sort of like a Harvard or ivy league university in the US, and most americans know that the quality aint good in these feminist outposts. So i woud try Univ. of Stockholm, Lund, Malmo, Gothenburg, etc as they have more normal and hotter swedish girls.

Lund is my number 1 choice due to the better weather. I was under the impression that it was on the same level as Uppsala academically though? Kind of like Uppsala was Harvard and Lund was Yale? My exchange opportunities are very limited in Sweden outside of them two.

EDIT: It is impossible for me to go on exchange to other Swedish universities. Those two are my only option =\

Post: #5

Laner, get your ass to Gothenburg and we'll grab a couple of lagers along with an all-nighter. I've got an upcoming review of Roosh's Denmark book that touches on a lot of the topics your OP mentions. I'll have to get back from civilization first though (25th, currently sitting under a palm tree on a mile long beach in Thailand).

Post: #6

Quote:Laner, which city are you in? I'm going to hit either Lund or Uppsala as an exchange student for a year in the future.

I am in Lund.

Depending on what you are studying, Lund and Uppsala are both good. If you are into technology, then Lund for sure. The research campus where I am is amazing and all the big Swedish companies, as well as America, Japanese and others have offices here.

Both schools are "Ivy League" so it is a matter of choosing the best one for you.

Another thing, Lund is only 2.5 hours from Goteborg on the X2000, 10 min from Malmo, 35 min to Copenhagen. All great cities, and Kastrup airport is the best connected and only 30min away. Stockholm is 4.5 hours on the X2000 but I doubt being in Uppsala means that you would be there all the time anyway.

Also worth noting, Lund is on the mainline route and has 24 hour trains due to the Oresund bridge. Very handy.

*edit*

Quote:Laner, get your ass to Gothenburg and we'll grab a couple of lagers along with an all-nighter. I've got an upcoming review of Roosh's Denmark book that touches on a lot of the topics your OP mentions. I'll have to get back from civilization first though (25th, currently sitting under a palm tree on a mile long beach in Thailand).

Cool, I was looking at your data sheet for Gothenburg and was looking at dates for a deal at the Avalon as I think I will likely stay there. I wont be able to make it until the middle of Feb, so you will have plenty of time to lose your tan.

Also if there are any upcoming reasons to hit GTB then let me know.

Tack!

Post: #7

That's awesome Laner, I'll definitely make note of your experiences in Lund to advise my future plans. I'm curious, does the description of Uppsala girls as "studious, feminist, serious and socially awkward girls." ring true for Lund? Or are the girls in Lund well, normal?

Post: #8

Uppsala University is hardly the most prestigious university in Sweden, it is however the University with the most 'soft' programs (agriculture/behavioral sciences/teaching, not to mention gender studies) which makes it a bit of a cult for left-wingers.

Post: #9

Vicious what would you say is a good choice of University for slaying poon?

Post: #10

Yes Vicious, do tell us!

Laner, are you impressed by the quality is Lund? How's the nightlife there in Winter?

Post: #11

(01-22-2012 11:27 PM)torontokid Wrote:  Vicious what would you say is a good choice of University for slaying poon?

I would never recommend a university for the available talent, that could be one of your life's worst business decisions.

With that in mind, Lund, Gothenburg and stockholm are good Uni cities. Sweden has nowhere near the same organization around their campuses as in the US. People are just as likely to live their lives completely outside the campus organizations while taking classes.

Post: #12

(01-23-2012 04:02 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

(01-22-2012 11:27 PM)torontokid Wrote:  Vicious what would you say is a good choice of University for slaying poon?

I would never recommend a university for the available talent, that could be one of your life's worst business decisions.

With that in mind, Lund, Gothenburg and stockholm are good Uni cities. Sweden has nowhere near the same organization around their campuses as in the US. People are just as likely to live their lives completely outside the campus organizations while taking classes.

Any thoughts on the Student Nations system?

Post: #13

(01-23-2012 04:05 AM)P Dog Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 04:02 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

(01-22-2012 11:27 PM)torontokid Wrote:  Vicious what would you say is a good choice of University for slaying poon?

I would never recommend a university for the available talent, that could be one of your life's worst business decisions.

With that in mind, Lund, Gothenburg and stockholm are good Uni cities. Sweden has nowhere near the same organization around their campuses as in the US. People are just as likely to live their lives completely outside the campus organizations while taking classes.

Any thoughts on the Student Nations system?

In my experience the hot girls doesn't really involve themselves a whole lot in their work but just o to the parties they arrange. I'd advise you to do the same.

Post: #14

Here is a breakdown of the Nations situation from the perspective of a foreigner new to Sweden.

The nations of Lund are pretty diverse in their mantras, but very similar in events. Most of them put on lunches, pubs, sittnings and clubs. If you join one nation, you can attend any event by any other nation (except the communist nation, who are "banned")

Some of the nations are more focused on international students. They also tend to be quite young and at my first party everyone was completely wasted and I was having a hard time ramping up my game to match their level. I sip drinks and dont get drunk, which is very unusual in the international focused nations.

The nation that I chose to join has a cocktail lounge that they run, and I checked out the place and it seems decent. This was the major reason I joined. Perhaps people are a little more relaxed here and I can minimize my wasted interactions with 20yo students and meet people who will remember the night.

I liked the look of Lunds Nation and I met some sexy Swedish girls that are part of Malmo nation. Goteborg nation has a rep for hooking up, and so does Vastgota Nation, which is considered the international nation.

I joined Helsingkrona so I will see how it goes after a while.

The nations are about half the price as a regular bar in Lund, but the selection of drinks is VERY limited. I like to sip whiskey, but none have it, so I have been drinking vodka (absolut) on ice, as I cant get any soda at the nations and they keep giving me 7up. Even vodka water gets a strange look and they have given me a shot of vodka on ice to fill up at the water cooler. All I want now is to have some water with gas and vodka. No luck yet.

Beer (shitty Tuborg)- $4.50
Cider (not bad) -$4.50
Vodka, gin, tequile (shit) - $7 a shot

Post: #15

Regarding the drinking Laner, don't try to fight, understand or side step it. Just fake it til you make it. Get a beer or drink and just keep it in your hand for the duration of the evening and just say it's your 4th, 5th or 6th (depending on the time) if someone asks. Not drinking is generally considered as not-partying which in turn is suspicious behavior. I'm a pretty light drinker myself and you wouldn't believe how much pussy I lost in college just because the conversation got hung up on my lack of booze.

Post: #16

I am entering my third week in Sweden, and things are finally beginning to fall into place. Some of the things that were confusing me slightly at the beginning are starting to make more sense now. These were the things that were giving me a hard time and also the solutions to these.

Problem
- The women I am going for do not put out right away.

Solution
- Start a dating spreadsheet and start dating multiple women. Not as hard here as it is in Canada (but one night stands are easier in Canada). Also I seem to be able to set up coffee and drink dates pretty easily. They are still a bunch of flakes, but a little less so than in Canada.

Problem
- Women are flaky

Solution
- Now I realise that they want to be chased. The whole idea of hard-core feminism in Sweden seems to be a myth so far. From the women I have been seeing, most don’t care about feminism, and a few are anti-feminist (and these women also had massive hatred for UGGs, loved fur, and only wore skirts). I just have to get used to calling, texting, taking time and having coffee. It’s not really that bad, actually Swedish women are really nice to be around and if they were a little more reliable as humans it could be even better (seems to be a problem the world over).

Problem
- Women are too nice (I will explain how this is a problem)

Solution
- They will take your flirtation, will flirt with you, laugh at your jokes, and give all indications that they are interested in sex. But they will have a boyfriend (and Swedes I think so far are quite loyal). I have been able leverage this into having them introduce me to their single friends. This has happened on more than one occasion! The first time it happened the girl apologized, and went out of her way to introduce me to her friend.

So what I am finding is that the Swedish women I am going for seem to be a lot harder to get into bed than the average Swede (not surprising). I think this is true in most places that I go, but since I will be here for a long time I am not willing to drop my standards too much. I have had one girl so far, but she was not my first choice and was only to keep me in the game so to speak. I need a tight body and curves, and I am still trying to get used to Swedish bodies. Vancouver girls have much tighter bodies than girls here, and I have not had my hand on the waist of ANY women here yet that have had the tightness that I have grown to love.
Having said that, Swedish women have nice bodies but are just a little stockier then what I am used to. What I don’t understand is the Swedes I have hooked up with on holiday have been quite lithe, so what I am thinking is the winter has these women all covered up or are being spooned in front of the fire place by their winter fling.

Sex is not taboo here, and what I am beginning to see is that there is a barrier for sex initially, but once that barrier is crossed, it becomes no big deal. I am free to spend the night at a girls place even if she lives with her parents (has not been an issue yet). I see the girls that go for one night stands, and I can’t say that I would be interested in going home with these girls. I usually need one aspect to be great, but when they are mediocre all over it just does not work for me.

Post: #17

Thought I would drop an update on Sweden.

Starting three weeks ago, I started a new tactic in dealing with Swedish girls. After a few failed attempts with girls I wanted, I took a hard look at what was going wrong.

One girl in particular told me that Swedish girls dont like guys that are "cool" and "macho" which is bullshit (I know now for sure this is not true). She called me a douche in one breath, and 10 minutes later was all over me comparing me to Collin Ferrel (who she also called a douche).

What I have shown is a bit more contrast. It is fine to let some vulnerability show though here. In Canada, the women would pounce on the weakness and try to eat me up. Here this contrast works very well.

I noticed this with Swedish guys that do well with girls. They have a very safe and brother type vibe, yet stay close and then move in for the kill when the alcohol is there. I tweaked this slightly to better suit me.

Last week I was on fire. I had two girls on rotation and slowly brought in a third (she actually admits to seducing me) this weekend. Normally this is where I start getting lazy and begin to enjoy the women and get to know them sexually. But I refrained and forced myself to go out and find some new leads. Tendermans 40yo thread had me itching for some girls my age (I am 32, the girls I have been with are 20-24) so I hit a pub in Malmo that has some fine 30yo girls. It was not hard to make connections and set up some meets for the next week.

It was good that I did this, as my phone seems to have gone cold with two of them. If that is the case my only regret is not getting a good nude photo session with them when I had the chance. As I have said, Swedish girls bodies are astounding.

I have also still had no luck with ONS. The girls that are into it are just not my type. I find I am much happier working a longer angle with hotter women than going for the easy lay. Besides, it would just be boosting her ego and ruining her for the next guy.

Post: #18

I just talked to my cousin in Sweden today. He's a good dude to wing with. He looks like Craig David and has a British accent as well. I told him I'm going to try to make that trip this year. That and Montreal should make for one hell of a summer.

Post: #19

(02-20-2012 12:12 PM)Laner Wrote:  Thought I would drop an update on Sweden.

Starting three weeks ago, I started a new tactic in dealing with Swedish girls. After a few failed attempts with girls I wanted, I took a hard look at what was going wrong.

One girl in particular told me that Swedish girls dont like guys that are "cool" and "macho" which is bullshit (I know now for sure this is not true). She called me a douche in one breath, and 10 minutes later was all over me comparing me to Collin Ferrel (who she also called a douche).

What I have shown is a bit more contrast. It is fine to let some vulnerability show though here. In Canada, the women would pounce on the weakness and try to eat me up. Here this contrast works very well.

I noticed this with Swedish guys that do well with girls. They have a very safe and brother type vibe, yet stay close and then move in for the kill when the alcohol is there. I tweaked this slightly to better suit me.

Last week I was on fire. I had two girls on rotation and slowly brought in a third (she actually admits to seducing me) this weekend. Normally this is where I start getting lazy and begin to enjoy the women and get to know them sexually. But I refrained and forced myself to go out and find some new leads. Tendermans 40yo thread had me itching for some girls my age (I am 32, the girls I have been with are 20-24) so I hit a pub in Malmo that has some fine 30yo girls. It was not hard to make connections and set up some meets for the next week.

It was good that I did this, as my phone seems to have gone cold with two of them. If that is the case my only regret is not getting a good nude photo session with them when I had the chance. As I have said, Swedish girls bodies are astounding.

I have also still had no luck with ONS. The girls that are into it are just not my type. I find I am much happier working a longer angle with hotter women than going for the easy lay. Besides, it would just be boosting her ego and ruining her for the next guy.

YOur observations are spot on Laner. Swedish girls are very flirty, even if they have boyfriends. They are completely loyal and the decent ones take atleast 3 or 4 dates to get into bed. They will invest time in you if you are patient and are upfront with them. I have been burned more than once with swedish girls. One I met in Asia wanted to meet up while she was in London. Spent the whole day with her... I was convinced it was on. Until she told me at the end of the night she had a boyfriend.. wtf?
Another swedish girl ate up half my holiday trying to get her in the sack. In hindsight I'm annoyed with myself that I chased the carrot for so long. Both were solid 8/9's.

Post: #20

Laner,

Thanks for the insightful intel. In saying that Swede girls have "nice bodies" but also are a little on the stocky side, I'm guessing that you're describing them as nicely shaped (read: hourglass-shaped) but carrying more weight in certain places (esp. the hips, thighs) than you like. Am I right?

Post: #21

For me Swedish girls are the hardest to pick up. I tried to get with several in South East Asia and the furthest i got was a half naked make out during a night swim where i got horribly cockblocked by her fat friend. I still don't have that flag.

I've been to Kalmar once for a day and had a blast there. Its a small city with a beach in the south of Sweden.

Whats your notch count so far ?

Since you are doing a lot of dating you might wanna take a look at this.
http://www.aroundtheworldin80girls.com/2...-your-bed/

I had a lot of succes with these questions. I will make a thread on it soon.

Post: #22

Swedish women are gorgeous however they know that we Mediteraneans will trick them to do what they do not want to do so they stay away but very cleverly meaning they take the good part(flirt etc) and refuse the rest.Mediteranean men are considered rather easy for swedish women it is like a heaven for them.

If you play the aggressive Balkan mode you attract lots of attention in Sweden by other nationalites such as Arabs etc.Generally one has to stand out from other minorities if you look like Arab,Turk you are doomed because swedish women have been largely exposed to them and do not want to get hooked with them.But if you manage to attract the Swedish girls Swedish men will try to stop you I had Swedish guys coming and grabbing the girls out of me literarilly Vikings are not passive folks they are passive only when there is no danger.

Post: #23

I need to get my fix of Swedish chicks, had fun with a few back when I was in Ko Phi Phi and Indonesia

They are hot 'n' fun, but there can be very childish, tease and play games. I took two back to my bungalow on Phi Phi and they refused to spread their legs despite all my best efforts.

The best experience I ever had is when I was in Bali, met a Swedish guy when I was surfing on Kuta Beach, he asked what I was doing that night, he said "Well I'm here with the Swedish Volleyball team, it's just me and 15 girls", I shit you not.

That night it turns out they were having a competition to see who could make out with the most guys, I kissed every single one of them, and screwed one. One of the best nights of my life.

Would like to go to Sweden, but too cold and too Expensive for me to spend considerable time there. Better to hit them up at Phi Phi Thailand at a fraction of the price in paradise

Post: #24

Let's be careful not to overhype those swedes. When they are hot, granted... they are hot. But as I said on the PHI PHI thread very few were actually that attractive and many of them were quite butch. If you want Swedish girls go to the source. In my opinion they are overrated but I will reserve judgement until I actually go there.

Post: #25

(02-20-2012 05:02 PM)Richie Wrote:  Let's be careful not to overhype those swedes. When they are hot, granted... they are hot. But as I said on the PHI PHI thread very few were actually that attractive and many of them were quite butch. If you want Swedish girls go to the source. In my opinion they are overrated but I will reserve judgement until I actually go there.

Perhaps, but I heard Sweden is actually pretty dull.

I think it would be better in Phi Phi, the sun and the cheap booze makes them crazy.

Had a couple of things with Swedes in UK, met them on dating sites when they were fresh off the boat. Swedes love London