Post: #26

(01-24-2012 08:10 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 06:56 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 06:29 PM)velkrum Wrote:  Nah, dude..you looked down out of fear. (self preservation)

but you know what...it's totally cool.

I could give you a long winded response but I'll just give you the easy answer.

Lift weights and watch your confidence (and physique) GROW.

p.s. don't try and start fights with douches*

Right.

Guys think that if you say, "Lift, box," then you're saying to fight.

But it's not like that.

When you reach a certain level, although you'll fight, you're just as likely to talk it out. Not to avoid a fight from fear, but because it's only midnight and you're there to pull.

A guy with a "razor beard," fat in an Affliction shirt, walked up to the bar where I was. The bartender went to him first.

Fat guy says, "What, you're gong to just let me order first? You should be a real man and check me."

I just started laughing. It wasn't contrived. I was legitimately laughing, as if at a comedy club.

I would have beat the fuck out of that guy. He wasn't even in my league of guys I'd fight.

He was an Affliction poser. But he had enough of a repilian brain to sense danger.

He was dumb founded. My laugh scared the shit out of him, and he scrambled away without even looking back.

Yeah, that is the thing that people don't understand about training to box or martial arts.

If you train and you have a brain, you have the confidence to walk away.

That is true confidence.

I think I have told this story before.

Outside an event, one of my friends was beefing with some drunk jacka*ss outside over cabs.

My friend is small, but can fight. Trains.

The drunk jack*ss was big, bulked up, but an idiot. You know, Affliction/Ed Hardy dork.

The guy stepped over the line.

My friend cracked him.

Jack*ss gets KO'd and head hits the concrete.

Concussion.

My friend goes to jail for 3 months (long story, my friend didn't follow my advice on lawyers, but that is another story).

Bottom line: walk away.

In street fights, even the winner ends up losing.

So true. The easiest way to avoid a fight is to ask your aggressor, "Have you ever been arrested before?" Even the toughest of douchebags back down to that question.

No one will fuck you up like that law will fuck you up.

Post: #27

Whenever that type of situation happens, I bare my fangs, fluff out my fur, scowl and throw branches. Usually, the aggressor backs down and it makes the nearby female baboons' asses bright red and drippy! They buy me a latte and I mount them.

Post: #28

(01-25-2012 04:21 AM)Kona Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 07:35 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  As I sit here working at Starbucks, I'm mulling over a fleeting event that occurred a short while ago.

Seriously, don't sweat that guy at all. Just spit in his latte and move on.

Aloha!

^^^this, the guy was nothing but a posser, and this is certainly nothing to fight over, there will come a time in your life when things like this are no big deal, just forget about it.

Post: #29

Guys like this tend to annoy me as well.

Post: #30

Honestly man, if I were you I'd take up Krav Maga. The other martial arts listed are great too, but Krav is the most practical for this kind of situation. After about 6-12 month of taking it going HAM, you should be able to beat down any douche that crosses your path(in the unlikely event that you run into someone who is more experienced than you, run off. You can usually tell by the way someone stands prefight or right after the first blow, if they know what they're doing). I'm a green belt, been fighting for almost two years.

When it comes to NYC and tapout, affliction, ed hardy queers, I've had my fair share of them. My stance is simple, I won't start a fight but I certainly won't back down from one either. These guys are the ones who act the baddest, but when shit hits the fan, they run away with their tail in between their legs. When I had a shitty job, I would get these guys on my line all the time. When you're as confident as I was in winning the fight, you learn to not give a shit. If it got to that point(where he initiated contact), he would have his ass on a platter. By the way, I'm not the biggest guy 6'0 165 pounds. I usually wore my Krav Maga shirt under my work vest and many people took note. Until then, I would mirror the eye contact he was giving me, as well as the vibe. If he acted like a douche, I kept unwavering eye contact, checked out his girl, etc. As Mike Tyson says, the first person to look down prefight, is the loser. If he was chill, I was chill. Simple. In short, I've never gotten into a fight at work and really wouldn't want to deal with all the bullshit that came out of it, but tension was certainly there.

Now, I have had altercations with these guys in clubs, bars, and the street. What hasn't been discussed is using a tactic greatly underlooked...deceit. Assuming you are highly trained, deceit is one of the best weapons you have when dealing with these douches. Acting like your a pussy, so that he can initiate contact, and you can beat him down. It's all about thinking ahead. You want the cameras to show him initiating contact because then it was in self defense. Like a game of chess.

If I wanted to fight him in your instance. I would have shoulder checked him, acted a little badass to get him rowdy like say "What the fuck man?", his guido ass would flip and start getting loud. Eventually he'd act like he wanted to get physical and say shit like "You wanna fight", "I'll fuck you up". At that point I'd put my hands up acting like I don't want to fight and scared and say something like "You have pretty girls". He would probably initiate with a push or a punch that will probably break his own hand. You will see it coming, block it, knee in the balls, knee twice in the face(his face will look like scrambled eggs at this point), follow up with a few blows to the temple, nose, until he hits the floor. Once he hits the floor, STOP. If you attack when he's on the ground, you're fucked. Fuck his woman!

I would much rather fight him as a customer rather than an employee. So I advise you to get some martial arts training and just get good at sizing people up quick, and grilling hard body. Guidos WILL NOT fight you if you know how to fight/grill. If you act like a pussy they will initiate physical contact, but it is unlikely that they will follow it up. So if you really want to fight them act a little hard and get pussy. You don't want to fight, act tough and know you are. By the way, it doesn't matter if he's a meathead. His temple, nose, eyes, mouth, throat and other soft tissue aren't covered in muscle . I don't know many guys who do dick curls.

Post: #31

I think some people are getting into this too much. If you walk around staring people out all day then thats all you will do, just ignore it unless people invade your personal space.
I practice punch combinations from different ranges, I visualise the encounter to the pont of talking to myself in the gym while training, I practice converting a hands up submissive gesture into a jab-straight right-left hook always launched halfway through a word. For that reason alone I don't care about macho bullshit, I ignore it but I am confident that if someone is in danger of getting physical then I have the tools to knock them down while they are still puffing themselves up. Sucker punches win fights not stare downs. If you really want to get confidence then only the personal experience of your own physical power will work.

Post: #32

And that's why I can't stand Krav guys....

Post: #33

(01-25-2012 04:45 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 08:10 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 06:56 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 06:29 PM)velkrum Wrote:  Nah, dude..you looked down out of fear. (self preservation)

but you know what...it's totally cool.

I could give you a long winded response but I'll just give you the easy answer.

Lift weights and watch your confidence (and physique) GROW.

p.s. don't try and start fights with douches*

Right.

Guys think that if you say, "Lift, box," then you're saying to fight.

But it's not like that.

When you reach a certain level, although you'll fight, you're just as likely to talk it out. Not to avoid a fight from fear, but because it's only midnight and you're there to pull.

A guy with a "razor beard," fat in an Affliction shirt, walked up to the bar where I was. The bartender went to him first.

Fat guy says, "What, you're gong to just let me order first? You should be a real man and check me."

I just started laughing. It wasn't contrived. I was legitimately laughing, as if at a comedy club.

I would have beat the fuck out of that guy. He wasn't even in my league of guys I'd fight.

He was an Affliction poser. But he had enough of a repilian brain to sense danger.

He was dumb founded. My laugh scared the shit out of him, and he scrambled away without even looking back.

Yeah, that is the thing that people don't understand about training to box or martial arts.

If you train and you have a brain, you have the confidence to walk away.

That is true confidence.

I think I have told this story before.

Outside an event, one of my friends was beefing with some drunk jacka*ss outside over cabs.

My friend is small, but can fight. Trains.

The drunk jack*ss was big, bulked up, but an idiot. You know, Affliction/Ed Hardy dork.

The guy stepped over the line.

My friend cracked him.

Jack*ss gets KO'd and head hits the concrete.

Concussion.

My friend goes to jail for 3 months (long story, my friend didn't follow my advice on lawyers, but that is another story).

Bottom line: walk away.

In street fights, even the winner ends up losing.

So true. The easiest way to avoid a fight is to ask your aggressor, "Have you ever been arrested before?" Even the toughest of douchebags back down to that question.

No one will fuck you up like that law will fuck you up.

Try this line sometime ...You wanna hit me? Go ahead. My lawyer would love to get a piece of you. I'll own you ...and your house.

Post: #34

(01-25-2012 01:13 PM)Fisto Wrote:  And that's why I can't stand Krav guys....

Haha, Am I the only one that thinks Krav is overrated?

Post: #35

(01-25-2012 03:59 PM)FretDancer Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 01:13 PM)Fisto Wrote:  And that's why I can't stand Krav guys....

Haha, Am I the only one that thinks Krav is overrated?

I guess I shouldn't be so critical since the guy is trying to help but, I know one of the top Krav guys Amir Perets, and another guy who's actually written books on it and their classes are always the same. A bunch of geeks sprinkled with a few passably tough guys who train ONLY in these classes and they get the idea that they're super tough because they never go outside this little bubble.

Then it's always with the choreographed fight scenes in their minds "eye gouge!" to "groin strike!" to "face rake" then I turn and take on the oppenent to me left and so on...

This guy's been training for 2 years and all of a sudden he's dolling out advice on how to start a fight without being at fault and then inflicting serious damage that could wind your ass up in prison for a long time.

Not to mention, that yeah, that guy may be a douche but few people deserve to be physically maimed for staring at you....sheesh

Post: #36

I how this thread went from the OP getting stared down at Starbucks over some girls
...to handing out a beating with a million different forms of martial arts

Post: #37

Seriously? Sounds like guys are getting pumped up just reading about this shit. I’ll be staying out of Starbucks for a while ... LOL. There’s some good advice here. Like a previous poster said, I’m not taking shit from some wanna-be badass in a Starbucks. But, having grown up in the ‘hood, I’ve had to eat it when confronted with bullshit like this from teenagers. Those crazy fuckers are the ones you have to worry about. They’re looking for an excuse to bust a cap in your head because you “dissed” them. When you’re young, poor and angry, and your only possession is your “respect”, some perceived sign of disrespect is like someone trying to rob a normal’s person’s house. And it’ll trigger the same reaction.

Post: #38

If he was drunk enough to stink of vodka, it's likely he couldn't even focus his eyes to see who you were and could only see your silhouette. You just interpreted his drunken stare as aggression out of inexperience with drunks. You'll learn to read drunken movement better over time.

In California if we bartenders see 3 of these 5 signs, legally we're supposed to cut you off. (Although if I'm unethical, I'll just start ghosting your $10 drinks instead):

Glassy eyes/ Staring off into space
Tunnel vision/no peripheral vision
Slurred speech/Loud speech/inappropriate sudden laughing or giggling
Exaggerated, sloppy movements
Lack of balance

They were already drunk enough to have no balance, which is why they walked in trying to hold each other up. Then he gave you a glassy eyed stare because, well, he was drunk and can't see very well.

The way to deal with drunks is not to fight them (they're already anesthetized and won't feel any pain), but to politely tolerate them and not get involved in their drama.

Don't freeze your motions, which is a sign of fear.
Don't stop in place, which will attract attention.
Don't change your facial expression.
Don't let any emotion flash across your face or change your facial expression even the slightest amount. You are completely unperturbed.
Do break eye contact and proceed to check out someone else neutral in the room. The barrista or someone else. He's the one that entered your space. You checked him out when he entered. He's not a threat. You're now back to surveying your environment before you return to your book.
If you feel yourself blushing, hold your breath for a ten count a few times, but otherwise keep moving normally without freezing.
If he asks you what you're staring at, "You look like you're having a great time. What are you celebrating?"

After about 5 breath (in and out) pause, stand up, yawn, and stretch.

I find short guys when they're drunk will find people seated and tend to be aggressive to them, largely because their drunk brains think they've finally found someone shorter than themselves for once in their life. Standing up (for an unrelated reason) quickly breaks their illusion.

Short guys will also act this way when they're on a stair above you. Just keep walking up the stair until you're on the same one (or higher) as them before acknowledging their presence.

And if you find short drunk guys a problem in the future, stick with the bar stools (which are high) or stand. Don't sit low in a chair in the open at a table. Only sit low when in a booth, which is more private.

Post: #39

(01-24-2012 08:10 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Bottom line: walk away.

In street fights, even the winner ends up losing.

This, but if comes to it, a quarterback from a Big 12 school taught me a trick to end these things quickly: keys to the side of the head.

That said walk away; it is never worth it.

Post: #40

Heh, ok I think this thread got a bit off topic. I had no intention of actually fighting this person, and ultimately everyone on here saying "It's not worth it" is correct. I don't want to get arrested just because of some douche in a stupid hat.

That said, I think there's a certain degree of brinksmanship at play. If you look at varios mammals, most dominance challenges don't amount to anything more than some screeching and a short chase. It's worth testing the other male, but not worth getting into a full-on battle just for a mating opportunity.

Post: #41

I hope you asked him if he wanted extra sprinkles on whatever he ordered.

Post: #42

(01-26-2012 02:10 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  Heh, ok I think this thread got a bit off topic. I had no intention of actually fighting this person, and ultimately everyone on here saying "It's not worth it" is correct. I don't want to get arrested just because of some douche in a stupid hat.

That said, I think there's a certain degree of brinksmanship at play. If you look at varios mammals, most dominance challenges don't amount to anything more than some screeching and a short chase. It's worth testing the other male, but not worth getting into a full-on battle just for a mating opportunity.

Ha. Yeah.

You could have also gone this route:

Post: #43

(01-26-2012 02:20 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(01-26-2012 02:10 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  Heh, ok I think this thread got a bit off topic. I had no intention of actually fighting this person, and ultimately everyone on here saying "It's not worth it" is correct. I don't want to get arrested just because of some douche in a stupid hat.

That said, I think there's a certain degree of brinksmanship at play. If you look at varios mammals, most dominance challenges don't amount to anything more than some screeching and a short chase. It's worth testing the other male, but not worth getting into a full-on battle just for a mating opportunity.

Ha. Yeah.

You could have also gone this route:

Dammm next time put a warning before . I just trow off my tea on my cumputer screan . Hahaha

Post: #44

(01-26-2012 02:20 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(01-26-2012 02:10 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  Heh, ok I think this thread got a bit off topic. I had no intention of actually fighting this person, and ultimately everyone on here saying "It's not worth it" is correct. I don't want to get arrested just because of some douche in a stupid hat.

That said, I think there's a certain degree of brinksmanship at play. If you look at varios mammals, most dominance challenges don't amount to anything more than some screeching and a short chase. It's worth testing the other male, but not worth getting into a full-on battle just for a mating opportunity.

Ha. Yeah.

You could have also gone this route:

The most awesome thing in the world would have been if that guy had yelled "TRY GETTING A RESERVATION AT DORSIA NOW YOU FUCKING STUPID BASTARD!!!"

Post: #45

(01-23-2012 07:35 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  As I sit here working at Starbucks, I'm mulling over a fleeting event that occurred a short while ago. A group of three people had come in, one male and two females. One of the females was hanging on to the male, and the male was fully decked out in douche regalia. (Graphic tee, graphic baseball cap, beard scruff, doing that constant chewing thing that's apparently the human equivalent to how bears drool constantly when they're in the rut) Anyways, he decided to stare me down as they came in, and I reflexively looked away.

Now, I'm aware of the inherent value of not provoking a pointless fight, esp. when there's nothing to fight over (his skanks didn't look particularly appealing), but it does irritate me that I responded in a beta fashion without even thinking about it. Has anyone else had to untrain themselves from this kind of behavior? Seems to be less of a fear response as opposed to just social conditioning to not do anything that might provoke a confrontation.

Just be careful. I've gotten injuries by getting physical with guys who were bigger than me.

Post: #46

(01-26-2012 02:20 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(01-26-2012 02:10 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  Heh, ok I think this thread got a bit off topic. I had no intention of actually fighting this person, and ultimately everyone on here saying "It's not worth it" is correct. I don't want to get arrested just because of some douche in a stupid hat.

That said, I think there's a certain degree of brinksmanship at play. If you look at varios mammals, most dominance challenges don't amount to anything more than some screeching and a short chase. It's worth testing the other male, but not worth getting into a full-on battle just for a mating opportunity.

Ha. Yeah.

You could have also gone this route:

That guy got off with no jail time right? That dumb bitch screaming reminds me of when any feminist talks, shes screeching STAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPOOOOOOPPPP withiout realizing that the 2 women attacked the cashier. Fucking dumb.

Post: #47

(01-23-2012 10:18 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  If you look away try to look away slowly, in my opinion its more of a "ive seen the other male, he is no longer a threat im looking away now because im better" although if hes coming towards you or your group id maintain eye contact.

I had an encounter like Tuthmosis described, at a gay bar of all places (it was student/straight night). There are these 3 guys I see every time I go out, look alpha, but last time I saw one of the dudes ( a few times prior) he was making out with some manitee. ANYWAYS. I'm walking to the bathroom, see him, hes about the same height as me but bigger with a friend, I look them both in the eye, walk straight forward chin up chest out, i stiffen up and he yields when I walk into him (shoulders). I turn my head slowly and give a "I will fucking kill you" stare, with a sinister sneer. He turns around quickly is about to say something when his friend grabs his chest and pulls him back. Slow headturn back forward. Westerncancer-1 possiblealpha - 0. Later on I'm walking towards this girl I was dancing with before the bathroom, as I'm walking up to her he hooks his foot/leg around my foot/leg and tries to trip me/pull it out from under me. I quickly pull my foot out without flinching, I don't look back. Round 2 goes to westerncancer.

Key is stand your ground don't yield, maintain good posture, never turn towards the guy unless hes actually coming at you (or you could do some kind judo flip bullshit).

Dude you got punked. If somebody tried to trip me over you better believe I'm not just walking away. That's major disrespect. You can't let somebody disrespect you and get away with it.

Post: #48

I knew a short, stocky black guy that used to punk kids constantly with one simple move.

He would get close, and make a quick uppercut type motion making it look like he was throwing a punch, then he would simply run his hand through his hair and say something like "why you flinching bro? just trying to unfuck my nappy ass hair"

Few things are more defeating to your soul than openly flinching, even though it is a completely natural response for the majority of people. It did start a couple fights though. Then he would just scream "STOMACH, RIBS, TEMPLE!" at the top of the lungs as he was throwing punches to the respective portions of the body. He was one the best fighters ive seen, three second knockouts weren't unusual.

Another old friend used to call all dudes that tried to start something creampie. "Relax there creampie, theres no need for childish shit"
That was more effective and didn't cause anywhere near as many fights. I stole his line. He had a ton of great demasculating lines."

I agree with everyone else who said that 99% of the time fighting isn't worth it. It gets you kicked out/arrested/whatever and fucks the rest of the night up. However, sometimes the situation calls for a quick alley scrap.

Post: #49

Nothing makes me rage harder than little fuckers who always try to get into staring matches. I don't rage often but there have been two or three incidents where some moron tried staring me down to 'intimidate' me, and I seriously considered escalating because you shouldn't be so rude to strangers.

The way to mess with these dickholes is to give them the thousand yard stare. Slacken your face, stare right back, and pretend you are boring a hole right through their faces to their meaty brain tissues. It's a terrifying blank stare, and it says "I'm going to tear you in half, and I won't feel anything afterwards".

Another way is to "start" towards them and then stop. Act like you're going to explode out of your chair at them, gauge their reaction, then sit back down. Some big dude in high school did that to me once and I'll never forget it.

Also it is a good idea to never start fights, but I think it is a good idea to do it once. Then you'll know.

Post: #50

I have two ways to get out of staring matches without confrontation, and yet preserving my "honor", for lack of a better term.

1/ Wink - more likely than not your opponent will wink back in acknowledgement. Simple gesture, but the underlying message is that you have both recognised each other as men of will and don't have to prove it on a physical level.

1/ Lick your lips, slowly - this shit just freaks guys the fuck out. I just laugh at my opponent's sexual insecurity. I consider this pretty much the male equivalent of nuking the hamster.