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RE: Which country is better for men: Poland or Ukraine?
(03-17-2017 10:08 AM)Roosh Wrote:  
(03-16-2017 03:42 PM)Uruz Wrote:  If I start to go to church, play nice provider with bit of edge, get 18yo virgin from there, date her and bang her on some point, leaving her after that.

How would you think about this? It's a bit over the top example but it still gets the point across. She will never be the same if she gets played.

No one here is advising that. Besides, every slut used to be a virgin. Just because you take away a girl's virginity doesn't mean you ruined a girl, especially if she didn't state her intentions of marriage and family. I've been used by virgins as a stepping stone to hop onto the slut carousel. They didn't want a relationship or commitment.

This is true, virginity is a strongly exacerbating factor, but it's not enough by itself. Girls get a strong bonding feeling from the first time, but for some girls it's not strong or sustained enough and they override it with their other stronger frivolous feelings.

I'd say a stronger signal for innocence is "virginity lateness". When a girl has sex for the first time in her early twenties, it means much more than in teens. In sexually liberal countries they see that their friends are started to have sex and they feel like they're getting left behind, so they just want to "get rid of it" and join the frivolous bandwagon like their friends. The ones who evaded that needed something more significant to put them across the line.

I have a friend who even got a ONS with a (legal) teen virgin. ONS by her volition; he woke up to her being gone. I see that as pretty fucked up, but ultimately it was all her doing.
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RE: Which country is better for men: Poland or Ukraine?
Also I have a question: why is it a choice between Poland and Ukraine? It seems you Roosh have spent the bulk of your time between those two countries. Is that because you're playing to your oscillating desires for quality and quantity/ease, and those two countries draw a good spectrum line through that?

What about other countries in the region like Romania & the Baltics & the other FSUs; why don't they get lumped into this group?
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RE: Which country is better for men: Poland or Ukraine?
Not through yet.. but so far, a very enjoyable listen.

Would be remiss to not put out a positive shout for Trouble.
A couple comments have been off-base IMO.

Questions of value. Have you been to his site? Listened to his
podcast with Brother Cr33pin? His body of work speaks for itself.

Back for another listening chunk....
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Great podcast. Laughed hard especially at the girl who's been to Spain scenario (part of the aptly put Mediterranean sausage belt). Ryanair flights from Manchester and London Stansted are at their cheapest around £24.99 ($30) each way and average around $35 each way. Begin next October.
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(03-17-2017 10:27 PM)The Breeze Wrote:  Not through yet.. but so far, a very enjoyable listen.

Would be remiss to not put out a positive shout for Trouble.
A couple comments have been off-base IMO.

Questions of value. Have you been to his site? Listened to his
podcast with Brother Cr33pin? His body of work speaks for itself.

Back for another listening chunk....

Thanks very much man, that means a lot. Always good to hear people getting value from my stuff!

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(03-17-2017 09:49 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  Also I have a question: why is it a choice between Poland and Ukraine? It seems you Roosh have spent the bulk of your time between those two countries. Is that because you're playing to your oscillating desires for quality and quantity/ease, and those two countries draw a good spectrum line through that?

What about other countries in the region like Romania & the Baltics & the other FSUs; why don't they get lumped into this group?

I haven't spent a ton of time in the Baltics, but from what I saw...

Belgrade would burn you out long-term, it's just not that nice apart from the very center.

Montenegro is basically in the stone age, sidewalks are a luxury item there.

For me personally, it wouldn't be viable long-term. Just would burn me out, I think.

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(03-18-2017 04:50 AM)This Is Trouble Wrote:  I haven't spent a ton of time in the Baltics, but from what I saw...

Belgrade would burn you out long-term, it's just not that nice apart from the very center.

Montenegro is basically in the stone age, sidewalks are a luxury item there.

Those would be the Balkans Wink
03-18-2017 04:52 AM
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(03-18-2017 04:52 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 04:50 AM)This Is Trouble Wrote:  I haven't spent a ton of time in the Baltics, but from what I saw...

Belgrade would burn you out long-term, it's just not that nice apart from the very center.

Montenegro is basically in the stone age, sidewalks are a luxury item there.

Those would be the Balkans Wink

Damn it. 60 minute editing rule...Huh

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RE: Which country is better for men: Poland or Ukraine?
(03-18-2017 04:50 AM)This Is Trouble Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 09:49 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  Also I have a question: why is it a choice between Poland and Ukraine? It seems you Roosh have spent the bulk of your time between those two countries. Is that because you're playing to your oscillating desires for quality and quantity/ease, and those two countries draw a good spectrum line through that?

What about other countries in the region like Romania & the Baltics & the other FSUs; why don't they get lumped into this group?

I haven't spent a ton of time in the Baltics, but from what I saw...

Belgrade would burn you out long-term, it's just not that nice apart from the very center.

Montenegro is basically in the stone age, sidewalks are a luxury item there.

For me personally, it wouldn't be viable long-term. Just would burn me out, I think.

Definitely agree! This city can be rough long term, very hot summers, very cold and depressing winters, a lack of nature and lots of pollution. Aside from the nice warm people and beautiful women, there's not much here. The nightlife is overhyped as well.

Great podcast with Roosh btw! I got lots of value out of it.
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(03-18-2017 04:50 AM)This Is Trouble Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 09:49 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  Also I have a question: why is it a choice between Poland and Ukraine? It seems you Roosh have spent the bulk of your time between those two countries. Is that because you're playing to your oscillating desires for quality and quantity/ease, and those two countries draw a good spectrum line through that?

What about other countries in the region like Romania & the Baltics & the other FSUs; why don't they get lumped into this group?

I haven't spent a ton of time in the Baltics, but from what I saw...

Belgrade would burn you out long-term, it's just not that nice apart from the very center.

Montenegro is basically in the stone age, sidewalks are a luxury item there.

For me personally, it wouldn't be viable long-term. Just would burn me out, I think.

According to you there is a lack of sidewalks in montenegro?
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I enjoyed the podcast. I think the long-term considerations for living in Ukraine were spot on. There are just some countries in the world (mostly 3rd world ones) where the little things plus the corruption really get to you over time... I had thought about taking a good girl to a nicer country, and it's nice that Poland is just over the border.
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RE: Which country is better for men: Poland or Ukraine?
Airbnb'ing an apartment somewhere for a few weeks or months is an entirely different paradigm than relocating with the mentality of 'This is My New Home'.

You learn the language, you experience the integration process, you interact with people completely differently, you apply for jobs, etc. You do a whole load of things different when you know your old home is no longer an option to retreat back to. That comfort zone is gone.

You've set fire to the ships and now you have no choice but to make lemonade with this new type of lemon that grows in a foreign land. It tastes a little different, it may take longer to grow, it may be a slightly different color, the people here may prefer a whole other process of preparation which gives way to a modified taste which to you is just some minor nuance but to them is the difference between shit and champagne, but somehow you're going to make it work, because your future is here and leaving isn't an option.

Exchanging stories around the campfire back home is one thing, living it everyday is something else entirely.

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(03-18-2017 02:26 AM)Conquerer7 Wrote:  Great podcast. Laughed hard especially at the girl who's been to Spain scenario (part of the aptly put Mediterranean sausage belt (Travesty TM (eg Spain, Italy, Greece). Ryanair flights from Manchester and London Stansted are at their cheapest around £24.99 ($30) each way and average around $35 each way. Begin next October.

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(03-15-2017 02:43 PM)Uruz Wrote:  Generation of her parents probably could not go to uni cause communism [...]

lol.

how old are you?
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(03-24-2017 04:56 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  Airbnb'ing an apartment somewhere for a few weeks or months is an entirely different paradigm than relocating with the mentality of 'This is My New Home'.

You learn the language, you experience the integration process, you interact with people completely differently, you apply for jobs, etc. You do a whole load of things different when you know your old home is no longer an option to retreat back to. That comfort zone is gone.

You've set fire to the ships and now you have no choice but to make lemonade with this new type of lemon that grows in a foreign land. It tastes a little different, it may take longer to grow, it may be a slightly different color, the people here may prefer a whole other process of preparation which gives way to a modified taste which to you is just some minor nuance but to them is the difference between shit and champagne, but somehow you're going to make it work, because your future is here and leaving isn't an option.

Exchanging stories around the campfire back home is one thing, living it everyday is something else entirely.

Very wise words indeed. Many guys go somewhere on holiday and then think "man, I'd love to live there", because all they've done is the fun stuff. Moving somewhere permanently is completely different and it's not for everyone.

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RE: Which country is better for men: Poland or Ukraine?
Listened to it while doing my groceries and cleaning the flat. Good stuff, I agree with about 90% of what was being said. I visited Ukraine a couple times and Poland is where I currently live so I can add my 2 cents.

In terms of attractiveness, Ukrainian women definitely have an edge but Poland is a good choice if you prefer blondes. I would have to disagree with Roosh and rate both Polish and Ukrainian women a solid 2-3 points above the average American woman. I spent most of my life in Canada and I visited many of the major cities in the US, one thing that remained constant was the lack of quality.

Also, I didn't experience the lack of girlfriend material in Poland's major cities. A lot of girls in Krakow or Warsaw are from third tier cities or villages, no need to search for them in those places.
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(03-25-2017 12:32 PM)Pointer Wrote:  Listened to it while doing my groceries and cleaning the flat. Good stuff, I agree with about 90% of what was being said. I visited Ukraine a couple times and Poland is where I currently live so I can add my 2 cents.

In terms of attractiveness, Ukrainian women definitely have an edge but Poland is a good choice if you prefer blondes. I would have to disagree with Roosh and rate both Polish and Ukrainian women a solid 2-3 points above the average American woman. I spent most of my life in Canada and I visited many of the major cities in the US, one thing that remained constant was the lack of quality.

Also, I didn't experience the lack of girlfriend material in Poland's major cities. A lot of girls in Krakow or Warsaw are from third tier cities or villages, no need to search for them in those places.

But...how long does it take until those girls have succumbed to the big city mentality? One or two semesters I'd say.

I agree, when they're first there and you meet them then, great.

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(03-15-2017 01:47 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I may rather live in NYC than Warsaw.

Of course, Warsaw doesn't look like a historical Polish city looks, like Krakow, it was basically grounded in WWII, the greatest monument in the center is Warsaw Central railway station, which looks like this on a better day. The trains go underground, "thanks" to the devastation of the war, they could accomplish this.

Anyway, where'd you live, rather than in NYC? Roosh or anyone?
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