Post: #1

My whole life, as long as I can remember since being about 11 years old, i've only ever received genuine interest from girls who are mediocre, average looking. im tall, decent looking, intelligent, confident and comfortable in social situations, no major personality or physical flaws etc...game all the time, approach reguarly, am early 30s now, and I am about to give up.

for about 13 years now, i have wanted to find a good looking girl. ive fucked close to 200 girls, but most of them have been in the 6 range, with the occasional good looking one. but the good looking ones are usually just foreigners, or me being a foreigner travelling in their country, and they are never interested in me. with good looking ones, its usually just sex when they know it will be a brief 1 night stand kinda thing.

i can see it in the eyes of girls when i approach...the good looking ones are not attracted to me. since i only ever get genuine interest from girls in the 5 to 6 range, this is usually who i end up seeing...but they only ever result in being mini relationships, cos deep down i dont want to be with them since they dont turn me one all that much, i want someone who is attractive.

but...family, friends, and other people have often told me im very good looking. so i feel like over the years perhaps they have been kinda not really being honest, just being nice etc...and iv sort of built up this unrealistic opinion of how good looking i am (eg an 8 or 9, therefore often approach girls who are in the 7 to 8 range) when maybe in reality im more like a 6, which would explain why i only seem to have a chance with 5s or 6s, and the 7+ rarely stick around/show any interest.

one thing i will say is im slim. not stick thin, but just a naturally slim guy. ive worked out on and on over the years, gaining SOME muscle when i do, but im very much an ectomorph hard gainer, so usually just look toned, dont really ever get a bulky look.

people call me a player, but in reality i never would have fucked all these girls if i could have just had interest in one i was attracted to. in that case i would have happily stopped. the only reason im a "player" is cos im not getting with attractive girls that i actually want. and whilst i have had much more success in shithole countries where hypergamy works in my favour, i would never want to settle in these places.

anyone else in the same situation? i feel like perhaps im deep down a 6 who wants an 8, and therefore have just had a lifetime of frustration and disappointment with women, because im chasing girls who are "out of my league" and i am unable to lower my standards, because over the years i have sporadically fucked some hot girls, which is what i want in a gf/relationship etc. i feel like perhaps iv been too alpha, if there is such a thing, over the years, because im so confident, brave to approach etc, and refuse to believe that there is such a thing as a "league" and refuse to believe that any girl is too good for me.

thoughts anyone?

Post: #2

Kinda hard to give a solid reply to this without a photo of you and of some of the girls you want...

I once met up with a friend with whom we used to play online games. Never met him in person before, and he ended up being 5 foot 4 and overall a male 3 in looks. Maybe 4 if he tried.

He described himself as "too good-looking"...

Post: #3

Also,

Quote:one thing i will say is im slim. not stick thin, but just a naturally slim guy. ive worked out on and on over the years, gaining SOME muscle when i do, but im very much an ectomorph hard gainer, so usually just look toned, dont really ever get a bulky look.

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Post: #4

You are getting average girls because you are an average guy.

(Slightly above average, actually.)

That's what it comes down to.
Results don't lie.

Try to be less average.
Build more muscle.
Earn more money.
Get more friends.
Improve your style.
Find a niche and dominate it.
Excel at something and promote yourself.

You want an LTR with an 8, you better be her idea of a 9 or a 10.
Not just in terms of looks or game, but overall, the whole package.

These women have options, and they want to date up.
Slightly above average (=you) is not "up", that's "down".

They look at you the same way you look at a 5 or a 6:

Quote:I dont want to be with them since they dont turn me on all that much, i want someone who is attractive.

Post: #5

OP, from what I see in your post, there is that average and very insecure guy who is in desperate need of a beautyful woman. Oh dude, that won't work. If you get average girls it means you are an average guy. If you want a "top girl", you need to offer something to her.

But why not changing your way of thinking? Who gives you the right to judge about others, to put them in a leage, to give them numbers? Just an idea to think about. And as so often, I'd try to focus on myself and not on girls. And results my be differently after.

Wish you good luck

Post: #6

IMO the main problem is that you live in Australia I used to live there a few things I noticed:
-this is the country where I saw the best looking guys on average tall sleeve tats and ripped so competition is very high
-very few good looking women (fat poor style and on drugs while going out) the hottest I met was of course a russian 8 on holidays
-met ripped good looking guys making over $150K dating 5 and 6

how can you guys say he is average if he banged close to 200 girls especially in Australia?

Post: #7

"Fucked 200 girls" and still pedestalizing... I'm guessing that you've given yourself a 100x multiplier in the notch count.

Post: #8

"Fucked 200 girls", so your game is supposed to be perfect; yet you can't pick up a beautiful girl. But you could pick up two hundred 6's. Two hundred.

I don't understand why people lie here. It's a men's forum, it's meant to learn things, socialize with your brethren of alphas and players, improve yourself. Why would you lie? Besides, the 5% of us here are supposed to be more manly, honest and virtuous than the rest, especially when conversing mano a mano with a fellow player. Honorable, if you'd like. So what's the point?

I could understand if people wrote "20" when they've fucked 5 girls, bragging a bit and trying to get a higher status on the Forum; but 200? Just why?

You claim you've fucked two hundred girls, but that you have an issue, any kind of issue, with your game? Please. Unless those girls were all prostitutes, you're not being completely honest.

Correct yourself, say that you've slept with 7 average girls, be a man among your brethren here and then we can talk.

Post: #9

The only advice for you is to play the numbers game. Approach every 9 that you see. Eventually even if you have a 1% succeess rate , you will still be banging 9s.

Eventually one of these 9s willl like you on a personal level for whatever reason. At that point you can transition to a LTR with a 9. Achieving this goal is pretty easy.

After getting some 9s you may come to realize that a 9 on the street may turn into a 7 naked in the bed. Likewise a 7 on the street may be hiding the goods and turn into a 9 when disrobed in all her glory.

A lot of factors here and really there isnt much point chasing 9s for a variety of reasons.

Post: #10

What is your true height and coloring (ethnicity?) Details...

Post: #11

(10-11-2018 09:03 AM)BlackHussar Wrote:  "Fucked 200 girls", so your game is supposed to be perfect; yet you can't pick up a beautiful girl. But you could pick up two hundred 6's. Two hundred.

I don't understand why people lie here. It's a men's forum, it's meant to learn things, socialize with your brethren of alphas and players, improve yourself. Why would you lie? Besides, the 5% of us here are supposed to be more manly, honest and virtuous than the rest, especially when conversing mano a mano with a fellow player. Honorable, if you'd like. So what's the point?

I could understand if people wrote "20" when they've fucked 5 girls, bragging a bit and trying to get a higher status on the Forum; but 200? Just why?

You claim you've fucked two hundred girls, but that you have an issue, any kind of issue, with your game? Please. Unless those girls were all prostitutes, you're not being completely honest.

Correct yourself, say that you've slept with 7 average girls, be a man among your brethren here and then we can talk.

I didn't take it as him bragging. I thought he was providing context, but maybe im wrong.

Post: #12

It's unreal. If you've fucked 200 women by approaching and gameing them, you can't have a problem with your game. Period

Post: #13

Short answer: if you're average you will attract average women. Even if your facial features are sort of in the right place that in itself doesn't make you extraordinarily attractive to women.

Post: #14

Sex is always on the table with any women. That’s the beauty of game.

If you want to marry one however ...you have to be able to offer her a better life than she has now. She’s not going to leave mom and dad to live with you in a shitty apartment and split the rent. That’s a step down.

That’s most likely you’re problem. If you want tie down and breed with a 9 then you better be making 200k+ and be able to provide not just security but the lifestyle that she thinks she deserves being a 9.

That’s why guys try to find a wife abroad. Anything is step up when you live in a 3rd world shithole. Be thankful for the strength of the dollar.

Women however will sacrifice the money and security if they feel they’re dating up(looks-wise). Worst case they end up on welfare with pretty babies. Still a win for them.

Post: #15

I found this thread a little weird. So, OP complains of not getting top shelve pussy, but has scored up to 200 notches. I nowhere near that number, not even 50 I’m sure, but I have to say, I only cared about 'notch count' when I was a kid, in those day it made sense. After a decent amount of experience, I just stopped counting, though I know of some people who keep counting. Shit, just recently a girl told me about another girl that has an excel spreadsheet with the names and some other data of her lays!

For the matter at hand: I do think sometimes guys can’t really evaluate themselves correctly. Long ago a friend asked me: from 0-10 how do you evaluate yourself? I said 5, I’m normal, 2 arms, 2 legs, no disability so yeps a 5 at least. The guy bursted laughing told me: ‘I’ve asked the same question to X and he told me he though himself to be an 8’, and then it was my turn to laugh because X was nowhere, except in his mind, an 8. I still remember the look his girlfriend gave me when I first met her, I had all the impression that I could easily tap that ass. He was balding, getting fat, and the one of the most pussy soccer players that I ever played with. Always on the ground complaining, always getting injured. Just disgraceful.

So, if it can be of any help, a few years ago, this other guy told me his «secret» to score girls ‘out of your league’. It’s just necessary for her to think you have a big dick and you can score any girl. I liked his simple logic.

Post: #16

I don't get this, Their something that you're not confiding. Maybe your style is deficient. I'm young only 18 and girls always daily give me iois. I have fucked 7's and 8's regularly. Are you sure you have good posture and body language. Good social circle?

Post: #17

If you're in Australia, only semi professional or professional athletes date women who are 7s and above.

Even the new Bachelorette is a 6.5

Given you are tall, I'm surprised you haven't gotten at least few 7s.

Dating game is garbage in Australia

Post: #18

Hot girls see you as a player, so why would they want an LTR. They want to be taken care of. No where in your post did you mention your income. So for all we know you're broke, with nothing to offer.

Assuming you are good-looking, the average ones think they are lucky to be with you so they accept if you have little to offer/are a player. The hot ones have no reason to do this obviously.

Post: #19

Do you know what’s it like to be in a relationship with a beautiful woman? I guarantee you it’s not the solution to your problems, in fact it’s a bringer of more problems. You need to be in a state of complete control over your life and your emotions, to be able to handle this caliber of woman.


Why do you think you deserve an 8+? You need power to warrant one, and a very strong sense of identity and purpose not to lose yourself in the pleasures she brings.

You don’t know what you want. You need to figure what the purpose of your life is and find the drive that you lack; then you’ll have access to the extremely dangerous bliss a beautiful women brings.

And don’t resent not being good looking: I guarantee you there is no fulfilment in women: they take your purpose away, make your life a roller coaster... You can get beautiful women when you don’t have your shit together, but it’s hell—you lose your sense of self, and swim in the dopamine ups and downs.

Hedonic adaptation is very real; the higher the up, the more painful the down.

Post: #20

basically any girl above 8 has a ton of options.theres tons of other good looking guys like you she has already dated.some of them great looking with game.your window is to date them when they are inexperienced between the age 17-19 .8+ above that age tend to look for a guy with status either money or very high positions or a guy with totally different life that the other guys she has met.hence why you see them date criminals or bad boys sometimes
the truth is 8+ girls require a different type of game than a 6 or 7..

it doesnt realy suit my game so im gonna be honest unlike other dudes ive never had sex with above 7.5

ive went on a few dates but these girls tend to be stuck up/flat or bitchy so i didnt want to see them after a date or two

Post: #21

Got any funky / artistic / creative side interests? Can you strum a lick on a guitar or mix records / CD's on some turntables? Besides your physical aesthetic you could try to work on some local fame game via some of that arts & music stuff. But only if you are passionate about it would it be worth pursuing I think. A chick I went on a date with earlier this year told me that she was shocked that some bummy possibly disheveled musician from around her area was often hooking up with pretty fine chicks. An anecdotal testament to the local fame / music game approach.

Post: #22

People love to dismiss folks who express high notch counts because they can't fathom it. It's like the millionaire complaining to his middle-class buddy how tough his life is, it's all relative. I don't think it's meant to brag, but for reference. I can absolutely relate as an advanced bang-artist myself. This lifestyle is borderline sex addiction, an easy af (though empty and devoid of intimacy) once your running on auto-pilot.

Majority of my bangs came when I was barely getting the bills paid. Now, I'm a high achiever with disposable income and I've become EXTREMELY selective about who I bang. I don't drink anymore so I actually have to like the broads I bang, which is refreshing and rare at the same time. No making up excuses to for them to GTFO afterwards because I generally enjoy their company, until I don't.

However, I will say this, after banging an interacting with countless broads, OP you should be well aware of how fucked up women's personalities and personal lives are compared to their outwardly appearance. Yes, ideally, I would like an 8-10 level LTR as well, but I know from experience some of the best looking broads have little to offer besides fading looks. I've ignored the red flags and sacrificed my sanity for the sake of having a bad bish on my arm and I'll never do that again. I'd much rather have an adjustable 7 with a decent psyche, stable upbringing, an equally high status or achievement level. I don't want a pretty dumb wife that I keep locked in house like peter, peter, pumkin-eater, lol.

Post: #23

(10-11-2018 05:41 AM)Endless Escapes Wrote:  But why not changing your way of thinking? Who gives you the right to judge about others, to put them in a leage, to give them numbers?

Say what? What's OP supposed to do, wear blinders every day. Even if he did that, you can still judge people by their voice. So then what, he's supposed to wear ear plugs too?

You think the world doesn't judge you? Or the OP? We all make judgments about other people, how else would we know who to make love to, who to avoid, who to give a job to, who to work for, who to pursue a friendship with, etc.

If you don't judge other people, you'll end up with people that selected you to associate with them, with their best interests and purposes in mind, instead of yours.

If you want to protect and advance your interests, it's in your best interest to be a VERY good judge of people. And that includes judging yourself. Of course we don't want to go overboard, but the hippy "love everyone man" gets naive people in trouble. There's a reasonable medium.

Post: #24

(10-11-2018 01:23 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  People love to dismiss folks who express high notch counts because they can't fathom it. It's like the millionaire complaining to his middle-class buddy how tough his life is, it's all relative. I don't think it's meant to brag, but for reference. I can absolutely relate as an advanced bang-artist myself. This lifestyle is borderline sex addiction, an easy af (though empty and devoid of intimacy) once your running on auto-pilot.

Majority of my bangs came when I was barely getting the bills paid. Now, I'm a high achiever with disposable income and I've become EXTREMELY selective about who I bang. I don't drink anymore so I actually have to like the broads I bang, which is refreshing and rare at the same time. No making up excuses to for them to GTFO afterwards because I generally enjoy their company, until I don't.

However, I will say this, after banging an interacting with countless broads, OP you should be well aware of how fucked up women's personalities and personal lives are compared to their outwardly appearance. Yes, ideally, I would like an 8-10 level LTR as well, but I know from experience some of the best looking broads have little to offer besides fading looks. I've ignored the red flags and sacrificed my sanity for the sake of having a bad bish on my arm and I'll never do that again. I'd much rather have an adjustable 7 with a decent psyche, stable upbringing, an equally high status or achievement level. I don't want a pretty dumb wife that I keep locked in house like peter, peter, pumkin-eater, lol.

Attractive women really get a bad rap on this board. I don't find attractive women to be any better or worse personality wise than an objective 6 or 7. As matter of fact, if they are under a 6 they likely have very obnoxious male incel like personality traits would never want to experience at length under any circumstances

Post: #25

(10-11-2018 01:23 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  People love to dismiss folks who express high notch counts because they can't fathom it. It's like the millionaire complaining to his middle-class buddy how tough his life is, it's all relative. I don't think it's meant to brag, but for reference. I can absolutely relate as an advanced bang-artist myself. This lifestyle is borderline sex addiction, an easy af (though empty and devoid of intimacy) once your running on auto-pilot.

Majority of my bangs came when I was barely getting the bills paid. Now, I'm a high achiever with disposable income and I've become EXTREMELY selective about who I bang. I don't drink anymore so I actually have to like the broads I bang, which is refreshing and rare at the same time. No making up excuses to for them to GTFO afterwards because I generally enjoy their company, until I don't.

However, I will say this, after banging an interacting with countless broads, OP you should be well aware of how fucked up women's personalities and personal lives are compared to their outwardly appearance. Yes, ideally, I would like an 8-10 level LTR as well, but I know from experience some of the best looking broads have little to offer besides fading looks. I've ignored the red flags and sacrificed my sanity for the sake of having a bad bish on my arm and I'll never do that again. I'd much rather have an adjustable 7 with a decent psyche, stable upbringing, an equally high status or achievement level. I don't want a pretty dumb wife that I keep locked in house like peter, peter, pumkin-eater, lol.

Good point. From my discussion with higher notch associates, their "new normal" or "baseline" essentially changes. They are desensitized to the whole game & need more, more, more. Like you said it certainly can border or overlap with sex addiction.