Post: #51

(11-22-2018 09:20 AM)TheSalesman Wrote:  China has totally deteriorated for the average white guy in 2018. Nearly every single good looking white guy you see now in China is dating down. Nearly every single one. Usually you'll see some good looking, tall, chiseled jaw Abercrombie and Fitch-looking faggot with a dark skinned, chubby, ugly farmer peasant girl, if he's even with a Chinese girl. It's quite a pathetic sight to behold.

The young generation of Chinese hate white people or are indifferent at best. They've served their purpose in China, they've gotten rich off of us, and we are no longer welcome. They like rap music and hip hop now. I'd even go as far as saying young Chinese girls under 25 probably prefer brown guys, maybe even black, over the average white guy. But of course they prefer geeky, rich, skinnyfat micropenis Chinese 'men' above all else, first and foremost. White guys are absolute fucking pariahs in China now.

The trade war hasn't even knocked them down a peg or removed some of the laughable arrogance they've developed, it's seemed to have made them hate whites even more.

They've gone full Korean-esque retard in just 5-10 years in their levels of arrogance and laughable sense of a superiority complex as they've gotten richer. Actually, I don't even think Koreans became this arrogant so quickly. It took them 20 years at least. 5 years ago, you could say with confidence that you could fuck any Chinese girl you wanted. ANY. Just 5 years ago. Now, not so much.

My, how the tables have turned.

Only 1 post on this account? Troll? White Guys if anything are never incels in China. Every English Teacher there seems to get a girlfriend. Meanwhile there's 100+ million Chinese men who are lamenting about being unable to find wives. Which casts your "Chinese women only want Chinese guys over white guys" into doubt.

Both those 2 YouTube Vloggers are married to Chinese women. I dare say a longterm white expat in China has a better chance of finding a bride than a lot of Chinese men in China.

Post: #52

Seconding troll post.

Chinese people are generally the most open to / accepting of foreigners in Asia if you're a little bit open to their way of living and are willing to learn a tiny bit of every day Chinese.

The place is much richer now than 10 years ago though and the stakes are raised accordingly. An English teacher salary is an entry level salary in tech these days for Chinese guys so you need to bring a bit more to the table than that if you want to wife up a girl unless she really wants to leave China or she has issues preventing her from getting a Chinese guy (above 30, divorced, lived outside of China for too long and unwilling to become the guys family property etc.).

There are tons of decent looking non awkward guys that can't get laid in Japan because of it's xenophobia but you won't have such issues in China if you don't look frumpy and up your game a little in case you live in first tier cities.

If you're an awkward non handsome English teacher, it's best to stick to 2nd tier and below where you're still someone special by default.

Post: #53

(11-22-2018 09:20 AM)TheSalesman Wrote:  I'd even go as far as saying young Chinese girls under 25 probably prefer brown guys, maybe even black, over the average white guy.

TROLL?

Post: #54

Who has got the low down on Chengdu? Always wanted to go there to eat spicy-ass shit and watch pandas falling out of trees. But I heard a rumor the shorties there have cute faces, long legs, and personalities spicier than a Sichuan pepper. True or fake news?

Post: #55

A lot of Chinese FAMILIES don't want their daughters marrying, never mind dating and banging, a foreigner. Urban, cosmopolitan, upper middle class (by Chinese standards) are more open, but you have to bring the appropriate finances to the table. Unless you have a side gig that at least doubles your salary, teaching - especially English - won't put you in the proper income bracket for serious consideration.

Post: #56

You can't escape the smog anywhere but Hangzhou was my favourite city.

Post: #57

A lot of Chinese FAMILIES don't want their daughters marrying, never mind dating and banging, a foreigner. Urban, cosmopolitan, upper middle class (by Chinese standards) are more open, but you have to bring the appropriate finances to the table. Unless you have a side gig that at least doubles your salary, teaching - especially English - won't put you in the proper income bracket for serious consideration.

Post: #58

(11-22-2018 09:20 AM)TheSalesman Wrote:  China has totally deteriorated for the average white guy in 2018.

5 years ago, you could say with confidence that you could fuck any Chinese girl you wanted. ANY. Just 5 years ago. Now, not so much.

To feed or not to feed the troll.
Nah fuck it.

I did however spend some time in a Chinese 2nd tier city recently. Did pretty well (4 girls in 9 days, from a total of 6 dates). All fit a similar profile; met online, mid to late 20s, well-educated and good jobs and/or rich families.

These girls are all veeery judgmental, meaning you really need to fit the profile of what they are looking for:

- Be white (most of these girls really do not like brown and black guys from what I have seen)
- Be decent-looking and probably not too old (although I might be wrong on the age part). Keep in mind these girls have ZERO interest in "a better life in the west", this is not Thailand or PH. They are bored office girls who have this idea that fucking a white dude will be exciting.
- This is important: You do not need to be rich, but it will be a lot easier if the girls think of you as "successful". Good education and a good job. This is a bit strange to me, since you are only meeting for a hookup, but the girls are narcissistic and judgmental. Most of them look down on English teachers, students and backpackers.
- Be polite and not overly sexual. Do not talk about sex in online conversations, no need for any sort of physical escalation if you meet in a bar or restaurant. A simple "let us hang out at my place" is enough when the time is right, they will know.
- They will ask where you live, so no hostels or seedy hotels!
- Dress decently. Beards, tattoos and too much muscles are normally no-nos.

If they think you fit the profile you will be surprised how easy it is to get them to go back to your place. As a side note; the sex with a lot of these girls is normally really bad! The whole "dead fish" thing.

Post: #59

Yooo. Any of you China hands got up to date intel on the north region of China? Harbin, Changchung, Shenyang, Dalian?

Would it be suicide going there during the winter? I know that shit is basically the arctic zone up there, but dem porcelain skinned Chinadolls got my cock hard as diamonds. I can'tz resist.

Don't be all secretive faggots now. Lay down some info.

Post: #60

Harbin is lovely in winter. Bring shorts. Cargo shorts.

Post: #61

There are some 180,000,000 internet users in rural China.

Post: #62

I've been living in China for a little while and it's harder than the West - I'm white, tall, masculine body, have my hair, educated, have money, not an English teacher, in my 30s.

I don't do hard game, as I also like talking to them when out - this style is a problem here.

To summarise, they don't like talking about sex, they typically don't get humour unless it's pre approved / dumb, and the signals are totally different.

For example, one girl in a major city, 36, was running me through her Sex and the City filter because she thinks that's real life in the West. She pegged me as a loser guy in the show because of my open behaviour, not because of reality, after initially almost falling over to date me... She sat there like a goldfish telling me about her gym membership that's about 10% of her annual salary.

Another girl, 33, who's lived overseas, invited me on a long weekend holiday, just with her, the weekend after the first date... bingo, I think. Then after some planning on a 2nd date asks me what hotel I've booked for myself, putting me in LTR box because I didn't escalate to sex that date as I genuinely needed to get up early, and not so subtly asked if I was Christian (no, you're just not that hot).

They don't feel out a situation, and struggle to think for themselves, it's all done according to predetermined ideas.

So I suggest that you act like an arrogant mild autistic who lacks personality and only focusses on career and finding a girlfriend - they understand this and approve of it.
My personality here is seen as weakness, whereas in the West girls with a good attitude love banter for banter's sake and it's a very quick way to escalate to intimacy. Here, if every sentence you utter doesn't have a selfish agenda behind it, they think you're slow or immature.

As for cities, stick to Shanghai/Beijing/Shenzhen as they're westernized, they'll understand you more and they're more accepting of your Western ways.

The smaller cities are on paper far more attractive, as the girls think you're a minor celebrity and the hottest are very approachable. But, they lack life experience, and are Chinese/traditional in their thinking.
For example, one girl who picked me up at the airport - we'd never met before - 37, still wouldn't kiss me after a 3rd date even after sexually flirting with me. Not because she was personally rejecting me, but because it's just not the done thing, and wasn't on her get-me-out-of-China agenda. It was like dating an 8yo. She was close to a 10 in every way except had no idea what to do with me.

Further, I don't think I've experienced more emotionally cold/soulless people, and have been to many countries - it's like they're trained from a young age to disregard emotion and just act on facts, rules, logic (yes the cliche is true).

Beware, is my observation.

Post: #63

You're in China, still in your 30s and you're meeting girls in their mid to late 30s? What in the world are you doing? You realize that these girls are likely emotionally damaged and spinsters, right? Why the hell are you meeting 37 year olds at the airport? How the fuck can a 37 year old be "close to a 10 in every way"?

I don't even know what to say to all that. I think you either need to learn how to China or get out.

Post: #64

And you say "I'm white, tall, masculine body, have my hair, educated, have money, not an English teacher, in my 30s" and you can't get laid with MILFs??? Man, you're either trolling or you have a serious problem.
If you're being serious, which I find hard to believe, instead of putting the blame on other people, how about you try to adapt, learn, improve and do better?

Atlant, this must be a troll, although we all know there are so many weirdoes so one can never know haha.

Post: #65

(04-08-2019 12:35 AM)atlant Wrote:  You're in China, still in your 30s and you're meeting girls in their mid to late 30s? What in the world are you doing? You realize that these girls are likely emotionally damaged and spinsters, right? Why the hell are you meeting 37 year olds at the airport? How the fuck can a 37 year old be "close to a 10 in every way"?

I don't even know what to say to all that. I think you either need to learn how to China or get out.

Seconding this. The pressure to marry in China is huge and while I know women in their 30s that had unfortunate things happen to them (i.e. husband got mentally ill after 2-3 years and they divorced him because it was too much to handle) the majority are entitled princesses that are out to destroy any guy that comes near them who is not a multi millionaire and even then they'll find hundreds of flaws and chip at his confidence which no sane guy would put up with.

I'd put 27 as the absolute maximum age but even then they're already in lock down mode...

I'd say you can get away with 10-12 years age difference if you look young and aren't mentally a grandpa.

Post: #66

"the majority are entitled princesses that are out to destroy any guy that comes near them who is not a multi millionaire and even then they'll find hundreds of flaws and chip at his confidence which no sane guy would put up with."

Really? I am no multi millionaire and I've mostly met very down to earth girls, girls who either wanted a fling or a relationship, I guess normal girls in China are the minority, according to you @AsiaBaller? We must've had very different experiences in China, bro. In almost three years in China I haven't met one girl who wanted to destroy me or did anything to hurt me. I feel sorry for you, it must be awful to meet such kind of people.

Post: #67

(04-08-2019 01:48 AM)Polero Wrote:  "the majority are entitled princesses that are out to destroy any guy that comes near them who is not a multi millionaire and even then they'll find hundreds of flaws and chip at his confidence which no sane guy would put up with."

Really? I am no multi millionaire and I've mostly met very down to earth girls, girls who either wanted a fling or a relationship, I guess normal girls in China are the minority, according to you @AsiaBaller? We must've had very different experiences in China, bro. In almost three years in China I haven't met one girl who wanted to destroy me or did anything to hurt me. I feel sorry for you, it must be awful to meet such kind of people.

I'm solely talking about leftover women over 30, not about normal girls in their 20s.

Post: #68

So chicks over 30 who only want a rich dude???? LOL I'd say it's quite the opposite, they are well aware they're running outta time and as such they lower their expectations.

Post: #69

(04-08-2019 02:05 AM)Polero Wrote:  So chicks over 30 who only want a rich dude???? LOL I'd say it's quite the opposite, they are well aware they're running outta time and as such they lower their expectations.

It's my first tier city experience, but keep in mind the people I roll with all have good incomes or are from upper middle class and above families, so that plays into it.

A few leftovers that had gone through the cock carousel in their 20s I had to cut out of my life became dog mothers and treat any guy that comes near the same way they treat the dog, trying to force you to take their lead and such nonsense.

Keep in mind none of the guys they had been with was particularly wealthy during their CC days and mostly just above average salaried guys, but as you know expectations go up with age and they'd only put out for absolute alpha guys that would never go near them.

Post: #70

I can see a lot what outback is saying.

A lot of how these girls act depends on predetermined things dictated by “the environment”.

I think he needs to pretend to find a serious gf.

Post: #71

I've never had good luck with mainland Chinese girls. I'm white, blue eyes, 6 feet tall, good career, conversational in Mandarin and did fairly well when I spent a month in Taiwan a few years ago but very little success with 大陆 girls despite several trips to China over the last few years plus a total of about 3 years in the US living in places with huge Chinese populations (west coast, NYC, and a huge college town). Not sure if it's because my game isn't calibrated to them, bad luck from still a relatively small sample size overall--never spent more than 3-4 days at a time in any one city in China with one exception and was busy with work then--or what. I'm pretty certain that if I spent more time there my results would improve but still frustrating, although I finally did get the flag from some random chick in the US last year.

Post: #72

Most are sizing you up for LTR potential and it's not Thailand where they don't mind fucking tourists for potentisl long distance beta bucks relationships.

Mainland girls severely lack in the femininity department, not like loud mouthed linebacker framed aussie drunkards but as in lacking gentleness, kindness, charm etc.

The average Chinese girl is an asexual autistic robot without much of a sex drive. Good for a stable relationship but if you want passion go elsewhere.

Post: #73

(04-08-2019 09:35 AM)AsiaBaller Wrote:  Most are sizing you up for LTR potential and it's not Thailand where they don't mind fucking tourists for potentisl long distance beta bucks relationships.

Mainland girls severely lack in the femininity department, not like loud mouthed linebacker framed aussie drunkards but as in lacking gentleness, kindness, charm etc.

The average Chinese girl is an asexual autistic robot without much of a sex drive. Good for a stable relationship but if you want passion go elsewhere.

^This. If you seek passion, Thailand and the Philippines are right next door.

Hard to tell if outback is a troll. On one hand, his physical appearance and his linguistic ability should've obviously yielded him a lot more results. On the other hand, he's actually pretty spot-on about the culture and mindset of women in 2nd and 3rd-tier mainland cities.

Post: #74

Am not a troll.

The point I'm making is that my typical Western methods do not work here. And I just came from a week break in HK with a Western girl there I bang telling me she is mine forever and whenever, even after she's married.

These mainland people are from another world, and you need to adapt to their survivalist mentality. I'm not blaming the girls.

Agree with above - , they're sizing you up for a long term relationship - the huge difference to the girls elsewhere is that the women here are ruthless at controlling their instincts and emotion in your interactions. They're constantly monitoring what they say against a predetermined plan/idea of how they want things - typically, they don't let themselves get carried away by charm, the moment, and most of them refuse more than 1, maybe rarely 2 drinks.

Example - finishing a date with a girl, she's driving us. Leaving the mall (really the only beacons of civility here outside Shanghai) and she needs to go to the bathroom, asks me if I do, I say no, no need, I'm good. And she says, 'is that because your dick is so big?' (white guy effect), and giggles and smiles... 10 minutes later she won't kiss me, as it's too early in our courtship........


They're hopeful that they can set you up for a LTR to leave the country... and they control their sex drive to do it. But, suspect that many have never had good sex,.so they don't necessarily know what they're missing. This is particularly the case when their married friends (26 is the typical age to shack up) tell them their marriages are bad and really just done to please parents/grandparents, so most people are are not sexually satisfied at least before the kids grow up and they seek affairs..
and as one girl in her 30s told me, 'Chinese people don't like to have fun', and she'd lived in Paris and the US for 12 years.


Take this evidence for what it is.. the truth, and if you've had different experiences in China would be great to hear about it.

And to the post saying a 37yo could not be near a 10...
1. in China deduct 10 years from their age to get their Western body age... a 45 year old Chinese woman is a 35yo white woman.. they don't hit the wall until their 40s here,
2. she's in a tier 2/3 city and has traditional values

Post: #75

The "truth" is that you're dating fucking autists and wondering why they behave like autists. Look you're right with some things. These girls really do exist. Nobody is denying that. But why the fuck are you dating those? Which city are you in? Some Tier 88 shithole? Every Tier 2 and up has a massive amount of completely normal girls available. Where are you that you willingly meet aunties in their late 30s who refuse to have more than one drink and make random comments about your dick?

One of the guys who has posted on this very page is in his late 30s and absolutely kills it with girls in their 20s. And he's not extensively courting them or anything, he just calls them straight over most of the time. You should be able to easily do that with your stats. Personally I've also met some weirdos in China but they're completely surpassed by number of super sweet and nice girls who had no issue with keeping the relationship simple or short.

What really annoys me about your posts though is your tone, you keep presenting yourself as some kind of authority on China who delivers the - in your words - "truth" and "evidence" to the ignorant RVF younglings and claims to completely understand Chinese women and culture after encountering a bunch of provincial spinsters whose wombs are about to dry up. If you had come here looking to advice and help for your situation then people wouldn't be calling you a troll.