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Gang rape video goes viral, shocking South Africa

Quote:JOHANNESBURG - A video of a 17-year-old girl being gang raped is spreading by cell phones through South Africa on Wednesday, shocking a nation battling an epidemic of violence against women.

The girl was reported missing in late March and was apparently raped last week in the Johannesburg township of Soweto, police said. Reporters from the tabloid Daily Sun brought the video to the attention of police, who found the girl on Wednesday and began arresting suspects.

"She was found with another man in his house," Warrant Officer Kay Makhubele told the Sapa news agency.

"Obviously she is traumatized and we are going to take her to the doctor now," he said.

Watching the video is a crime under South Africa’s child pornography law.

The Star newspaper reported online that the video lasts 10 minutes and 33 seconds, showing her being raped by seven different males, as she screams: "You are forcing me, you are forcing me."

The video’s spread has forced South Africa to confront its staggering incidence of rape. More than 56,000 cases were reported to police last year.

But the crime is often under-reported, like the case of the 17-year-old. A 2009 study by the government’s Medical Research Council revealed that only one in 25 rapes were reported to the police.

The same survey found more than one quarter of South African men admitted to raping a woman or girl.

Minister for women and children Lulu Xingwana condemned the rape and the spread of the video, which local media said was circulating mainly among teenagers in Johannesburg’s Soweto township.

"In addition to the painful ordeal of rape the young woman was forced to endure, she is now subjected to a second assault on her dignity," Xingwana said in a statement.

While the video is being spread through cell phones and social media, the same technology has captured national outrage at the crime, with the story at the top of Twitter’s South Africa trending list.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Gang...story.html

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This ain't right. This ain't game. This ain't cool.

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Sounds like the feminists should be going to South Africa instead of trolling college campuses in the United States.

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(04-18-2012 12:34 PM)j r Wrote:  Sounds like the feminists should be going to South Africa instead of trolling college campuses in the United States.

That would require them to get in the line of fire and that's a man's job.

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These things happen in SA, don't think it's even newsworthy, although nasty

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(04-18-2012 12:34 PM)j r Wrote:  Sounds like the feminists should be going to South Africa instead of trolling college campuses in the United States.

I don't know where I read it but it makes too much sense not to share.

There's feminists, and then there's womens rights advocates. And there's a BIG difference

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(04-18-2012 12:39 PM)teh_skeeze Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 12:34 PM)j r Wrote:  Sounds like the feminists should be going to South Africa instead of trolling college campuses in the United States.

That would require them to get in the line of fire and that's a man's job.

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Nothing bothers me more than rape. I'm not sure why, but it makes me angrier than anything else. I don't see how one person can do it, let alone a group of 7 who are such fucking pieces of shit that they all have the same mentality. If I ever caught someone raping a girl I would break his arms and legs so badly that he would have trouble using them for the rest of his life.

Women need to stop reporting false rapes and making bullshit accusations so that we can take MUCH stiffer action against these motherfuckers. I would support the death penalty for rape. The problem is, far too many innocent men would become victims. Far too many are already innocent victims by having to spend years in prison, or even just havin their reputations ruined for life, due to stupid ass girls.

I hope they catch these 7 guys and the police who find them take them into a field and do what needs to be done.

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Quote:South Africans received a horrifying measure of just how bad their country's rape crisis is with the release this week of a study in which more than a quarter of men admitted to having raped, and 46% of those said that they had raped more than once.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0...z1sUT4VAHv

Heard stories of something called "jackrolling", which are basically gang rape gangs. Think it was like 15% of men had participated in a gang rape?

Hardcore.

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Why is it so prevalent in SA? More than a quarter? That's insane. Is this mostly limited to the poor and uneducated? Is this also prevalent in cities like Cape Town?

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(04-19-2012 06:51 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  I would support the death penalty for rape.

I think that's fucking stupid.
You can kill someone and get 10-15 years. Why would get death penalty for raping?
Stupid logic is stupid.

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(04-19-2012 08:06 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  Why is it so prevalent in SA? More than a quarter? That's insane. Is this mostly limited to the poor and uneducated? Is this also prevalent in cities like Cape Town?

A few thoughts off the top of my head:

- Lack of policing
This sort of thing mainly occurs in the slums. Take Tembisa for example, a slum on the east of Johannesburg. It has one police station to service an area with one million+ people. One police station is not going to manage that. In some areas of South Africa the police are too intimidated to police.

- Lack of anything better to do
No job prospects and a failed education system mean that there is nothing to do except violate the law.

- Lack of a clear cost of doing crime
For a slum dweller, being thrown into jail is not necessarily that bad compared to a life of going hungry while free. A jail sentence is thus not really a punishment, it's just one more misery to add to your other miseries.

The cost of crime is simply not high enough to your average slumdweller, but bringing back the death penalty is strangely not on the political agenda, although there are renegade cop units that do take that task upon themselves.

- Need to belong to a crime group
Since a slumdweller can't find work but still needs to eat, he needs to join a group that will teach him how to do crime (it's not exactly taught in school). To join a crime gang generally means participating in group rituals, including gang rape.

- The gangs are not willing to maintain order
Unlike Brazilian slums, where local drug gangs would establish a parallel system of justice to compensate for the lack of government, South African gangs don't seem interested in helping out their communities. I suspect this may be because South African crime lords are foreigners, they have no interest in building up the local communities. News reports suggest that the Nigerians control the drug trade, crime lords in Zimbabwe receive the stolen cars, gun running is managed by the Mozambiqueans, human trafficking by the Russians, rhino horn smuggling by Thai nationals. Chinese Triads and the Italian mafia have also been reported to be working in South Africa. These foreigners are the guys making the big bucks with crime in this country and they couldn't care less about investing back into the communities that host the criminal underlings that they exploit.

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(04-19-2012 06:51 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  Nothing bothers me more than rape. I'm not sure why, but it makes me angrier than anything else. I don't see how one person can do it, let alone a group of 7 who are such fucking pieces of shit that they all have the same mentality. If I ever caught someone raping a girl I would break his arms and legs so badly that he would have trouble using them for the rest of his life.

Women need to stop reporting false rapes and making bullshit accusations so that we can take MUCH stiffer action against these motherfuckers. I would support the death penalty for rape. The problem is, far too many innocent men would become victims. Far too many are already innocent victims by having to spend years in prison, or even just havin their reputations ruined for life, due to stupid ass girls.

I hope they catch these 7 guys and the police who find them take them into a field and do what needs to be done.

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(04-19-2012 10:24 AM)Dansmedia Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 06:51 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  I would support the death penalty for rape.

I think that's fucking stupid.
You can kill someone and get 10-15 years. Why would get death penalty for raping?
Stupid logic is stupid.

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend. I didn't realize we had rapist sympathizers on the forum.

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(04-20-2012 12:34 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 10:24 AM)Dansmedia Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 06:51 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  I would support the death penalty for rape.

I think that's fucking stupid.
You can kill someone and get 10-15 years. Why would get death penalty for raping?
Stupid logic is stupid.

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend. I didn't realize we had rapist sympathizers on the forum.

Looks like we have another

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(04-19-2012 06:51 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  Nothing bothers me more than rape. I'm not sure why, but it makes me angrier than anything else. I don't see how one person can do it, let alone a group of 7 who are such fucking pieces of shit that they all have the same mentality. If I ever caught someone raping a girl I would break his arms and legs so badly that he would have trouble using them for the rest of his life.

Women need to stop reporting false rapes and making bullshit accusations so that we can take MUCH stiffer action against these motherfuckers. I would support the death penalty for rape. The problem is, far too many innocent men would become victims. Far too many are already innocent victims by having to spend years in prison, or even just havin their reputations ruined for life, due to stupid ass girls.

I hope they catch these 7 guys and the police who find them take them into a field and do what needs to be done.

Bonasera: I believe in America. America has made my fortune. And I raised my daughter in the American fashion. I gave her freedom but I taught her never to dishonor her family. She found a "boy friend," not an Italian. She went to the movies with him. She stayed out late. I didn't protest. Two months ago he took her for a drive, with another boy friend. They made her drink whiskey and then they tried to take advantage of her. She resisted. She kept her honor. So they beat her. Like an animal. When I went to the hospital her nose was broken. Her jaw was shattered, held together by wire. She couldn't even weep because of the pain. But I wept. Why did I weep? She was the light of my life. A beautiful girl. Now she will never be beautiful again. [He breaks down at this point, and the Don gestures to Tom Hagen to get him a drink] Sorry... [He regains his composure and carries on] I went to the police, like a good American. These two boys were brought to trial. The judge sentenced them to three years in prison, and suspended the sentence. Suspended sentence! They went free that very day! I stood in the courtroom like a fool, and those two bastards, they smiled at me. Then I said to my wife, "For justice, we must go to Don Corleone."

Don Corleone: Why did you go to the police? Why didn't you come to me first?

Bonasera: What do you want of me? Tell me anything, but do what I beg you to do.

Don Corleone: What is that? [Bonasera whispers his request in the Don's ear] That I cannot do.

Bonasera: I will give you anything you ask.

Don Corleone: We've known each other many years, but this is the first time you ever came to me for counsel or for help. I can't remember the last time that you invited me to your house for a cup of coffee, even though my wife is godmother to your only child. But let's be frank here. You never wanted my friendship. And, uh, you were afraid to be in my debt.

Bonasera: I didn't want to get into trouble.

Don Corleone: I understand. You found paradise in America, you had a good trade, you made a good living. The police protected you and there were courts of law. You didn't need a friend like me. But, now you come to me, and you say: "Don Corleone, give me justice." But you don't ask with respect. You don't offer friendship. You don't even think to call me Godfather. Instead, you come into my house on the day my daughter is to be married, and you ask me to do murder for money.

Bonasera: I ask for justice.

Don Corleone: That is not justice. Your daughter is still alive.

Bonasera: Let them suffer then, as she suffers. How much shall I pay you?

Don Corleone: [shakes his head ruefully] Bonasera, Bonasera. What have I ever done to make you treat me so disrespectfully? If you'd come to me in friendship, then this scum that wounded your daughter would be suffering this very day. And if by chance an honest man like yourself should make enemies, then they would become my enemies. And then they would fear you.

Bonasera: Be my friend – Godfather. [The Don shrugs, Bonasera bows toward the Don and kisses the Don's hand] Don Corleone: Good. Someday, and that day may never come, I'll call upon you to do a service for me. But until that day – accept this justice as a gift on my daughter's wedding day.

Bonasera: Grazie, Godfather.

Don Corleone: Prego. [Bonasera leaves, and Don Corleone turns to Hagen] Give this to, uh, Clemenza. I want reliable people, people who aren't going to be carried away. After all, we're not murderers, in spite of what this undertaker thinks.

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(04-20-2012 03:38 AM)houston Wrote:  

(04-20-2012 12:34 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 10:24 AM)Dansmedia Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 06:51 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  I would support the death penalty for rape.

I think that's fucking stupid.
You can kill someone and get 10-15 years. Why would get death penalty for raping?
Stupid logic is stupid.

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend. I didn't realize we had rapist sympathizers on the forum.

Looks like we have another

Me or him?

Rio how can you make a crime like rape, which doesn't kill someone, a death sentence;
but make a 10-30 year imprisonment for something like homicide or murder?

RioNomad is the here

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Relax, we all are entitled to our opinions. You don't know if a person close to Rio suffered an unfortunate event like the one this topic is about.

It doesn't matter if your opinion is right, wrong, more crazy, or less crazy than his, it won't get you both anywhere.

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(04-20-2012 03:43 PM)Dansmedia Wrote:  Me or him?

Rio how can you make a crime like rape, which doesn't kill someone, a death sentence;
but make a 10-30 year imprisonment for something like homicide or murder?

RioNomad is the here

Look at what I have contributed here compared to you, I am obviously not a troll.

I'm not sure why you think I made, or agree, that a murder should be 10-30 years. I can assure you I didn't write any laws in any country. You should stop bringing up that argument and putting words in my mouth, because I made no such statement, and never said I agree with it.

If you don't agree with my opinion that is fine. But saying my logic is "fucking stupid" isn't a great way to start off on this forum since you've been here for about 50 posts.

Maybe you should just shut the fuck up and try to contribute something, other than getting so upset over my opinion on one subject.

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(04-19-2012 06:51 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  Women need to stop reporting false rapes and making bullshit accusations so that we can take MUCH stiffer action against these motherfuckers. I would support the death penalty for rape. The problem is, far too many innocent men would become victims. Far too many are already innocent victims by having to spend years in prison, or even just havin their reputations ruined for life, due to stupid ass girls.

How is murdering somebody less of a crime than rape? And women won't stop falsely reporting rape or falsifying rape statistics as long as they have incentives to do so. It won't happen unless Rape Shield laws are discarded and the accused are actually assumed to be innocent until proven guilty. Feminists actually WANT accused rapists to be guilty until proven innocent even though that would undermine the entire judicial system. I saw a hamster fueled rationalization of this on Tumblr. Something about rape being a "special" crime among ALL other crimes as if rape should be put on a pedestal above murder, genocide, war crimes, organized crime and drug running. Rape is assault, sexual assault. It is not as a heinous a crime as killing somebody. Rape shouldn't be treated any differently than any other serious crime and that means no rape shields and no de jure or de facto assumption of guilt all of which is essentially judicial white-knighting.

Lastly, why would anybody want to give their state the power to kill them?

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(04-20-2012 04:22 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(04-20-2012 03:43 PM)Dansmedia Wrote:  Me or him?

Rio how can you make a crime like rape, which doesn't kill someone, a death sentence;
but make a 10-30 year imprisonment for something like homicide or murder?

RioNomad is the here

Look at what I have contributed here compared to you, I am obviously not a troll.

I'm not sure why you think I made, or agree, that a murder should be 10-30 years. I can assure you I didn't write any laws in any country. You should stop bringing up that argument and putting words in my mouth, because I made no such statement, and never said I agree with it.

If you don't agree with my opinion that is fine. But saying my logic is "fucking stupid" isn't a great way to start off on this forum since you've been here for about 50 posts.

Maybe you should just shut the fuck up and try to contribute something, other than getting so upset over my opinion on one subject.

No I won't "Shut the fuck up"
This is a forum where I can express my opinion.
seems like you're the one getting extremely angry.

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(04-20-2012 11:23 PM)P Dog Wrote:  Rape is assault, sexual assault. It is not as a heinous a crime as killing somebody.

That's a matter of opinion. Personally, I view rape as far worse than murder.

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(04-21-2012 01:48 AM)Dansmedia Wrote:  

Nice meme. Almost as nice as the "stupid logic is stupid" meme.

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(04-21-2012 02:20 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(04-20-2012 11:23 PM)P Dog Wrote:  Rape is assault, sexual assault. It is not as a heinous a crime as killing somebody.

That's a matter of opinion. Personally, I view rape as far worse than murder.

Care to explain why?