Post: #1

Since I started game, I also became familiar with the Mens rights arguments. Roissy's blog seems to mix the two, and I see how understanding feminism and female psychology helps with game.

However, I am also angry at feminism and feminists, and a society that seems to prefer and protect women while ignoring and even demonizing men. I sometimes wonder if this anger is leaking into my game and negatively effecting it.

I still want to bang a lot of women, and have abundant sex, but I'm not at an "amused mastery" stage when it comes to feminism, and I wonder if it's messing up my game.

Thoughts on separating the two?

Post: #2

Being angry at feminist is like being angry knowing that there are dogs barking somewhere far away.

Post: #3

Rudiger I get where you're coming from. I was sick most of this month and spent my time on the RVF and reading game blogs. If you immerse yourself too much you do become bitter and it will leak into your interactions with women. Instead of thinking "this girls seems nice/interesting I want to get to know her better" you start noticing her flaws and you might perceive her responses to you negatively because you're on the defensive from reading about how bad women are all day. Sure you'll always run into some complete cunts. I had a girl try to push me over yesterday and start yelling. Sure thats the cuntiest thing to do, but is that a representation of society as a whole. Did she push me because of the environment she lives in? partly, she knew there would be no consequences, I'm not going to knock her the fuck out because I'm above that (most guys would not do it as to "not hit a woman"). but in reality what drove her to actually reacting like that was her super drunk friend grabbing my cock dragging me to the dance floor and making out with me. Shes had to deal with this girl attention whoring it up all night. She probably just wanted to go have some fun and dance. Instead shes stuck with a drunk chick who she has to prevent from getting fucked by un-worthy men. I also probably came off as an asshole or a sleazebag for seeing her fiend was that drunk and following her sexual lead.

Post: #4

(10-27-2012 10:20 AM)germanico Wrote:  Being angry at feminist is like being angry knowing that there are dogs barking somewhere far away.

What if that barking dog lives next door and barks all the fucking time?


To the OP:


The bitterness is a stage I'm pretty sure we all go through. Once you fuck like 5 or so chicks it goes away.

Once you get enough experience, the next time you see a feminist, you no longer hear the words come out of her mouth... you just ask yourself, "Would I bang?" and if yes, "What do I do next?"

A lot of people think that by looking at girls as purely sexual objects you'll become a woman hater, but it's not true. It wasn't until I started to look at women as nothing but sex fodder did I really start to like them as they are, and enjoy their company more.

The best analogy is the child analogy - women are nothing more than big children. And like children, I don't take them seriously, I don't ask them for advice, and I don't care if their feelings get hurt. Like children, I like to see them happy, I like to tease them, and nothing they say matters.


Women "know not what they do", and it really was a huge mistake when they were given the right to vote. I don't blame women for behaving as they do anymore than I blame children. I don't believe women have free will, but I still judge women for bad behavior and I do my best to shame them if they act poorly because I know women will change their behavior if and only if you give them emotional incentive to do so.


Yes, it is true that women are fucking over the entire world right now, but it is men who let them do it. So I can't hate women for these state of affairs, they only act in ways men let them get away with.

And we can't change the men in this country either, there's far too much indoctrination by schools and mothers, so at the end of the day all you can do is try to change yourself into someone who can manipulate women into lots of easy sex.

Have fun.

Post: #5

@ Rudiger: It sounds like you are relatively new to game. First I want to applaud you for opening your eyes to game, something the majority of the male population ridicules and rejects thanks to their egos. Instead of humbling themselves and trying to better their relations with the opposite sex they choose to remain in the shadows like stubborn donkeys. Now to your post. Like Samseau wrote your feelings towards feminism and its impact on society right now is pretty normal. As you gain practice, hone your technique, and mold your specific style, you really just stop giving these women any second thought because in reality you are better than them and if they dont want to give you the time of day then forget them. Gradually you will figure out despite their most rash and assinine efforts to be better than men they fail because man will always be the dominant figure if he really wants as shown with many examples in Roosh's blog and this very forum. Look up "Nuking the hamster" for just a few examples.

Post: #6

Treating them like children is a good one. I've stopped watching porn. So I might stop watching girl writes what videos as well. But it's like discovering that up is really down. I want others to share in the delight of my awakening! I bought into all this shit for so long!

Post: #7

(10-27-2012 10:10 AM)Rudiger Wrote:  Since I started game, I also became familiar with the Mens rights arguments. Roissy's blog seems to mix the two, and I see how understanding feminism and female psychology helps with game.

However, I am also angry at feminism and feminists, and a society that seems to prefer and protect women while ignoring and even demonizing men. I sometimes wonder if this anger is leaking into my game and negatively effecting it.

I still want to bang a lot of women, and have abundant sex, but I'm not at an "amused mastery" stage when it comes to feminism, and I wonder if it's messing up my game.

Thoughts on separating the two?

I sometimes think I'm the only guy on this forum ( I'm sure there are others ) who has absolutely no problem with women. It's like I missed a meeting or something about women and feminists and why I should hate them. The fact is that some women are cunts,just avoid them or limit your contact. The other fact is that there are an equal amount of men that are cunts,avoid them too.

Rudiger: Don't read shit written by bitter people,avoid it. Just because they've had bad experiences doesn't mean their jaded opinions should hold any sway with you.

Post: #8

(10-28-2012 01:13 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  I sometimes think I'm the only guy on this forum ( I'm sure there are others ) who has absolutely no problem with women. It's like I missed a meeting or something about women and feminists and why I should hate them. The fact is that some women are cunts,just avoid them or limit your contact. The other fact is that there are an equal amount of men that are cunts,avoid them too.

Rudiger: Don't read shit written by bitter people,avoid it. Just because they've had bad experiences doesn't mean their jaded opinions should hold any sway with you.

I think a lot of the anger is a natural response to a system that caters to women at the expense of men. Guys are doing themselves no favor by allowing that anger to poison themselves. I think once they realize why they are angry they can let it go.

Post: #9

You just have to stop reading it. I get the feeling that Roissy blogs about some pretty inflammatory shit because he has to let it out somehow. That kind of stuff can put a really negative cast on your game. Serious negativity is just not warranted in most situations involving women.

Post: #10

I don't know what "mens rights" are and I don't care. As a man, I have every right that I could possible have. I can do anything I want. I am free to travel around the world and do as I please. I have every right I need to get money and get pussy.

What rights are these guys fighting for?

I suspect that mens rights guys are mostly betas who have been unsuccessful with women. I mean, if a guy was banging plenty of hot, young pussy, do you think he would be complaining about "mens rights"?!?

Post: #11

(10-29-2012 01:06 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  I don't know what "mens rights" are and I don't care. As a man, I have every right that I could possible have. I can do anything I want. I am free to travel around the world and do as I please. I have every right I need to get money and get pussy.

What rights are these guys fighting for?

I suspect that mens rights guys are mostly betas who have been unsuccessful with women. I mean, if a guy was banging plenty of hot, young pussy, do you think he would be complaining about "mens rights"?!?

Post: #12

(10-29-2012 01:06 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  I don't know what "mens rights" are and I don't care. As a man, I have every right that I could possible have. I can do anything I want. I am free to travel around the world and do as I please. I have every right I need to get money and get pussy.

What rights are these guys fighting for?

I suspect that mens rights guys are mostly betas who have been unsuccessful with women. I mean, if a guy was banging plenty of hot, young pussy, do you think he would be complaining about "mens rights"?!?

MRAs: fighting for the rights they never lost in the first place. They are analogeous to white supremacists who whine about how they're being oppressed by blacks, gays, and poor people.

Personally, I don't care about feminists either way. As for women in general: there don't seem to be any more stupid, irrational and immature women walking around than there are stupid, irrational and immature men.

Post: #13

Right, now I see Rooosh has written about this a lot. Thanks

Post: #14

Yeah, no idea why guys would have a problem if they were getting laid.

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Post: #15

I like meeting women, i like talking to women, i like fucking women. I'm glad i've finally worked this out. If i don't like somebody i don't associate with them. If i cant avoid that i do my best to not allow there negativity to affect me.

Spent way too long resenting women for not wanting me which stopped any chance i had of getting pussy for a long fuckin time. Vortuka said it, some people are just cunts male or female and they are just as toxic as each other.

Im finding that the more i discover about the female mind the more i realise it's just not there fault.

Post: #16

(10-29-2012 05:33 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  Yeah, no idea why guys would have a problem if they were getting laid.

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With all due respect,you've taken an example of a women doing something that's messed up. But I can give you just as many examples of men doing things to women equally as fucked up.

I'll say this: I was talking to a girl the other night in a bar. She asked me why all men were c*nts? I laughed at her and told her that the problem isn't that all men are c*nts but the problem is that she allows c*nts into her life thus jading her view. She should up her game. I'd give the same advice to men who seem to think all women are c*nts,up your game and find better women,cut certain types out of your life. Simples.

We as men won the golden ticket in life by being born men. We can travel,fuck around with no social stigma,rise to be president if we so desire,no shitty period to put up with every month,no menopause bollocks,we age better and can pull young girls into our 50's or even 60's if we are lucky,we have less inherant issues to deal with,we are stronger and fitter if we desire to be....We are the masters of our own
ships,setting whatever course we choose. So if women get a little victory over us somewhere so what,I wouldn't change the status quo for anything,doubt you would either.

Post: #17

Just don't get anyone pregnant. $500 a month to a baby momma stunts a lot of travel plans. Too bad theres no male birth control pill. Damn you science!

Post: #18

(10-30-2012 07:56 AM)Rudiger Wrote:  Just don't get anyone pregnant. $500 a month to a baby momma stunts a lot of travel plans. Too bad theres no male birth control pill. Damn you science!

As soon as you're the one who has to carry the fetus through until birth and you're the one left there to feed and take care of the little monstrosity by yourself after it's born, I'll be glad to complain with you.

Post: #19

(10-30-2012 06:54 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(10-29-2012 05:33 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  Yeah, no idea why guys would have a problem if they were getting laid.

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With all due respect,you've taken an example of a women doing something that's messed up. But I can give you just as many examples of men doing things to women equally as fucked up.

I'll say this: I was talking to a girl the other night in a bar. She asked me why all men were c*nts? I laughed at her and told her that the problem isn't that all men are c*nts but the problem is that she allows c*nts into her life thus jading her view. She should up her game. I'd give the same advice to men who seem to think all women are c*nts,up your game and find better women,cut certain types out of your life. Simples.

We as men won the golden ticket in life by being born men. We can travel,fuck around with no social stigma,rise to be president if we so desire,no shitty period to put up with every month,no menopause bollocks,we age better and can pull young girls into our 50's or even 60's if we are lucky,we have less inherant issues to deal with,we are stronger and fitter if we desire to be....We are the masters of our own
ships,setting whatever course we choose. So if women get a little victory over us somewhere so what,I wouldn't change the status quo for anything,doubt you would either.

Vorkuta, of course these women are messed up. Part of the reason they are messed up is because they are allowed to be messed up without consequences.

Tons of women try to get pregnant without the consent of the man. They know the men will be on the hook no matter if the man wanted a baby or not. Women pulling semen out of condoms to impregnate themselves is hardly new.

You see videos of women acting manly. They are allowed to do it because men have betrayed their brothers to protect such behavior.

Many men have lost retirements due to divorce. I remember one story of a woman settling with a man in a divorce only to go back to court and get much more... and won. The guy lost everything and ended up moving to Philippines because he couldn't afford everything the court threw at him.

Let's talk about the guys lives that were destroyed because of false rape charges. Even when the women admitted to lying they tend to get a free pass because the system doesn't want women to be afraid of filing rape charges.

I remember a story of a woman attorney who came to court with bruises. A woman's abuse organization saw her and sat her down to tell her she doesn't have to accept the abuse she is getting. Even after she told them the bruises came from her karate class because of sparring they wouldn't believe her and kept pressuring her to help herself.

Things are changing though, like the woman in UK getting jail time for falsely accusing men of rape.

My ex wife tried to blame me for a ton of stuff like rape and abuse during our divorce and it was thrown out by the female judge. Of course she had no proof, but you are still looked at as guilty by many of people just because of an accusation.

There are legitimate reasons for men being pissed off. It isn't just a "not getting laid" scenario.

I do think men can poison themselves with hate. You can't change anything so why dwell on the stuff. Make sure you understand that these things do happen and try to protect yourselves to the best of your abilities.

Post: #20

(10-30-2012 12:58 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 06:54 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(10-29-2012 05:33 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  Yeah, no idea why guys would have a problem if they were getting laid.

/thread-17243.html

With all due respect,you've taken an example of a women doing something that's messed up. But I can give you just as many examples of men doing things to women equally as fucked up.

I'll say this: I was talking to a girl the other night in a bar. She asked me why all men were c*nts? I laughed at her and told her that the problem isn't that all men are c*nts but the problem is that she allows c*nts into her life thus jading her view. She should up her game. I'd give the same advice to men who seem to think all women are c*nts,up your game and find better women,cut certain types out of your life. Simples.

We as men won the golden ticket in life by being born men. We can travel,fuck around with no social stigma,rise to be president if we so desire,no shitty period to put up with every month,no menopause bollocks,we age better and can pull young girls into our 50's or even 60's if we are lucky,we have less inherant issues to deal with,we are stronger and fitter if we desire to be....We are the masters of our own
ships,setting whatever course we choose. So if women get a little victory over us somewhere so what,I wouldn't change the status quo for anything,doubt you would
either.

Vorkuta, of course these women are messed up. Part of the reason they are messed up is because they are allowed to be messed up without consequences.

Tons of women try to get pregnant without the consent of the man. They know the men will be on the hook no matter if the man wanted a baby or not. Women pulling semen out of condoms to impregnate themselves is hardly new.

You see videos of women acting manly. They are allowed to do it because men
have betrayed their brothers to protect such behavior.

Many men have lost retirements due to divorce. I remember one story of a woman settling with a man in a divorce only to go back to court and get much
more... and won. The guy lost everything and ended up moving to Philippines because he couldn't afford everything the court threw at him.

Let's talk about the guys lives that were destroyed because of false rape charges. Even when the women admitted to lying they tend to get a free pass because the system doesn't want women to be afraid of filing rape charges.

I remember a story of a woman attorney who came to court with bruises. A
woman's abuse organization saw her and sat her down to tell her she doesn't have to accept the abuse she is getting. Even after she told them the bruises came from her karate class because of sparring they wouldn't believe her and kept pressuring her to help herself.

Things are changing though, like the woman in UK getting jail time for falsely accusing men of rape.

My ex wife tried to blame me for a ton of stuff like rape and abuse during our
divorce and it was thrown out by the female judge. Of course she had no proof, but you are still looked at as guilty by many of people just because of an accusation.

There are legitimate reasons for men being pissed off. It isn't just a "not getting laid" scenario.

I do think men can poison themselves with hate. You can't change anything so why dwell on the stuff. Make sure you understand that these things do happen and try to protect yourselves to the best of your abilities.

Interesting post,allow me to make a couple of points in response and then bow out as it's not really a topic that interests me too much.

In regards to women getting semen out of condoms to get pregnant. I can believe it but I also know of guys who have deliberately broken a condom to impregnate
women in order to trap them in a relationship and to get a kid. So what does that mean? It reiterates the point that both men AND women can be fucked up.

I feel for you with the false rape accusation,it's a vile thing to do to someone. I had that happen to me too and posted the story. Please read the post here ( 8th post down ): /thread-12647.html

The thing is though despite what I went through,the name in the paper,the arrest at work in front of colleagues,the DNA scraper inserted up my penis by a doctor,the destruction of my reputation,the nights in the cells,the pain it caused my family,my trust issues I suffered with English women etc etc. It never made me hate women or be bitter towards them. I disliked that woman who accused me and did that to me but she was not a representation of women in general,she was just a very sad individual. I don't even hate her,I simply pity her.

I have no right to tell you or anyone what to feel. People can hate as much as they want. They can take every bad experience with women and let it magnify into bitterness. But what kind of mindset is that? If we become bitter with women then surely they've had enough shit to be bitter at men,no? I mean you're arguing about divorce settlements being unfair but in some countries women are being murdered for trying to attend school or stoned to death for falling in love. So as I said,yes some things are seemingly lopsided in our countries but in the grand scheme of things we really have sod all to be angry about.

Peace.

Post: #21

(10-30-2012 03:17 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  I have no right to tell you or anyone what to feel. People can hate as much as they want. They can take every bad experience with women and let it magnify into bitterness. But what kind of mindset is that? If we become bitter with women then surely they've had enough shit to be bitter at men,no? I mean you're arguing about divorce settlements being unfair but in some countries women are being murdered for trying to attend school or stoned to death for falling in love. So as I said,yes some things are seemingly lopsided in our countries but in the grand scheme of things we really have sod all to be angry about.

Peace.

I agree with a lot of stuff you said, mate. I was just trying to say I understand where the hate and bitterness is coming from. It isn't just a lack of getting laid for a lot of guys.

Like you, I don't want to be governed by hatred in my life. It is normal to feel that way after something bad happens but you are in control to either let it drive your life or let it go.

Post: #22

The only mens rights issues that notch seekers should care about is the rape cry and an unintended pregnancy. Otherwise, men's rights are easy to mock and ignore.

Be careful out there boys, they don't call it the dark crimson arts because it's all daisies and vulvas and premature ejaculations!