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RE: Off the beaten path in Japan and Poland
(11-03-2010 11:35 PM)paully1976 Wrote: definitely check out pure in osaka. i havent been down to osaka in a few years but apparently for halloween had almost 900 people come thru. it's insane down there. it's a really economical way to get wrecked (if you're into that) because it's a flat fee at the door and you can drink as much as you want.
here's some general tips that i didnt see in the tokyo thread:
gaming chicks in japan is tricky because if they don't know you, they're not gonna wanna talk to you and they're generally pretty awkward socially. if you can (a) meet them in a common situation or (b) create a situation where you're either in the same boat or working towards something you'll have better luck. appealing to their motherly instinct helps a lot too. example:
- a buddy of mine in hawaii used to find a group of good looking j-girls on the beach. he'd sit there next to them with his friends and not talk to them, then leave after a while. 10 minutes later he'd come back and tell them "i lost my keys here i think, can you help me find them?" and the girls would eagerly help. he cleaned up this way.
- another buddy of mine uses the line "my friend here just got a puppy and hasnt decided a name for it yet. what would you choose?" silly canned line, but it gets them EVERY time cuz j-girls love puppies
a tactic i used to use (when id be popping in for a while) would be to pay $20 for a membership to some dating thing (worldfriends.tv or something) and shot-gun blast out some emails. juuuust enough to get your foot in the door and establish some e-rapport. once you get in country, some of them will probably meet you (some will flake). i was visiting for a month once in between jobs and did that and it had good results.
the biggest thing is to be non-threatening and look friendly. if you go to roppongi or even pure, the girls are gonna know why you're there. if you can hook up (figuratively) with a regular guy who they trust and who will introduce you, your odds will skyrocket 10 fold. just make sure it's not a japanese guy (which ill explain later) i never did well just cold-chatting up j-girls, but when i was introduced i had an insane kill ratio.
---> on language:
the more japanese you know, the more it can hurt you when you're on the sniff. if you speak passable japanese, the girls will assume that you've either had a lot of japanese girlfriends or that you're married and being unfaithful. they *wont* assume that you slaved away in college spending hours and hours studying because apparently they assume that the only way american men can learn the language is through osmosis via copulation.
---> on japanese guys
they are "shy", but they will cockblock the fuck out of you. even the ones you think you are cool with. there's no "bro code" and they will sell you out in japanese while smiling at you reassuredly. even guys you dont know. there's also a little joke to live by:
-- what's the difference between a gay japanese and a straight japanese man?
-- about 2 beers
expect to get pawed on by japanese guys. some old dude might wanna practice english with you. just ignore them because they will cockblock you. truuuuuust me. theyll pretend to be hooking you up but theyre just using you as an icebreaker to talk to chicks, then theyll keep you around just to trash you. again.. truuuust me. i used to work at a club in shibuya and ive seen it 100 times.
also, if you're gaming multiple chicks or have a lot of chicks on the side, never ever ever assume that a japanese dude is cool enough to know such information and NOT tell one of your harem members. i had american friends who had steady girlfriends but got a LOT on the side, but j-dudes would rat them out to their GFs in a second.
--> being cool and dressing well will improve your odds with j-girls. i dressed like a dirtbag and did ok, but the 'external view' ("gaiken") means a lot in japanese. be alpha but don't neg or be sarcastic because unless they've been around americans A LOT, they wont understand it.
--> get yourself a cellphone at the airport and learn how to use the text functions. in japan, texting is different -- every phone has a unique email address, which is where you send texts to (and you can text to and from gmail and stuff which is cool). phones from the same company can text back and forth via number, but between companies you use the email. if you can text to j-girls your ability to communicate and setup meetings/dates/etc will increase a LOT, cuz while most japanese folks can read and write some japanese, most cannot speak it worth a damn
--> if you're on a date with a j-girl and she doesnt speak english, don't sweat it. just pretend like you're an english conversation teacher. the most important thing to remember about japanese people is that they're all about the struggle. nothing is worth while in japan unless it's a struggle -- unless they have to "ganbaru" or "gaman" towards a common goal. if you can make your date with a chick a fun little struggle to order and get across meaning, you will simultaneously appeal to her need to struggle and appeal to her "help the wounded baby bird" mother instinct.
--> go out once and establish rapport. make friends. be cool. id take girls to starbucks and hang out for a few hours. this is cheap -- costs $6 or $7 total. at some point during the conversation i would ask if she a) liked going out and drinking or b) liked watching DVDs. at some point right before leaving i would bring it up again, and if i ended up hooking up with a girl it would happen the next time we met or never at all.
--> if you're already out drinking, youll know quickly if a girl is into you. JUST BE CAREFUL CUZ J-GIRLS CANT DRINK AS MUCH AS AMERICANS!! i cant tell you how many times ive seen this backfire. if a girl tells you she doesnt wanna drink anymore cuz she'll get sick, BELIEVE HER.
i have lotsa other info but that's good for now. j-girls are generally nice and mellow, and the daddy issues (THEY ALL HAVE THEM BADLY!!) and craziness doesnt rear its head until youve been hanging out with them for a while. if you find a girl you like, hang out with her during the day and have her show you around. youll get to see some cool stuff that youd never see normally, and you wont be hanging around other travelers all the time. enjoy--
Good advice man. But I disagree about re: 1) knowing japanese and 2) japanese guys.
1) As for knowing japanese, the better I got at Japanese, the hotter dates I got. IMO, if you know decent Japanese, alot of girls just wontt even wonder at all how you got good, they would just roll with it and enjoy the benefits of being able to speak in greater detail with u (esp. if their english sucked).
That was my experience at least. Most of the guys I saw with really hot chicks knew good japanese. The guys that didnt, dated the very average looking "eigo" hunters unless their game was good.
2) As for Japanese guys being cockblocks, I have to disagree a bit there too. I think if u went to a club, befriend a japanese guy and have him be your wingman, he will tend to barge your sets. I had a friend like that. He would wait for me to approach, and when I did, he would join in and then kind of "take over" since his Japanese was obviously way better.
However, I made friends with some Japanese guys, in a non-gaming context, and when we would go out, these guys were a HUGE help. They would open for me, introduce me...or if I opened, they would wing valiantly. One of the biggest ways the game opened up for me when I lived in Osaka was making good Japanese guy friends. However, u do have to go out of ur way to a good amount to befriend them. Alot of them are not used to western guys giving a shit about being their friend.
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