Post: #1

I wish I could have an apartment downtown like all the smooth pickup guys you read about, but right now I live in Suburbia with my step father. It's just a temporary circumstance I have to deal with until I find a better job. In the meantime, what's the best way to bounce a woman from a date to my place? I've come to realize that the standard movie at my place isn't always as easy to pull off as it seems, particularly with a girl I just met, or on a first date.

Any ideas?

Post: #2

Airbnb

Post: #3

Bang her at her place or a hotel. I do it all the time.

Post: #4

Let me add that this girl is under the legal drinking age here (under 21) and I met her from a day game approach. Her place is problematic (parents).

But certainly night game advice is always welcome.

Post: #5

(03-26-2013 03:31 AM)deathtofatties Wrote:  Let me add that this girl is under the legal drinking age here (under 21) and I met her from a day game approach. Her place is problematic (parents).

But certainly night game advice is always welcome.

Swoop her in a park.

In a car.

Where do you live?

Maybe the woods?

The beach?

An alley?

A friends crib?

Movie theater blower?

Post: #6

Fill some Snapple bottles with liquor and walk around the mall or boardwalk with her. She'll get a kick out of it. It's like you have a secret that no one knows. Builds trust.

Offer to smoke her up as an excuse to get her back to your place. Done.

Post: #7

(03-26-2013 03:28 AM)MrXY Wrote:  Bang her at her place or a hotel. I do it all the time.

Wish I could afford that. But doesn't matter, she doesn't live far away enough to warrant getting a room anyway.

Post: #8

(03-26-2013 09:50 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 03:31 AM)deathtofatties Wrote:  Let me add that this girl is under the legal drinking age here (under 21) and I met her from a day game approach. Her place is problematic (parents).

But certainly night game advice is always welcome.

Swoop her in a park.

In a car.

Where do you live?

Maybe the woods?

The beach?

An alley?

A friends crib?

Movie theater blower?

Very solid ideas. I'm thinking about putting a sleeping bag in my car with some pillows. I'm going to try to fuck her in my car.

Post: #9

The other possibility is getting girls to drive 15 minutes over to my house for tea and a movie. That idea sounds risky as hell though.

Post: #10

Her place, a friend's house, car, playground equipment at night... basically any place where nobody is likely to see or hear, and where it's warm and dry. Sometimes you have to be creative.

In your circumstances, maybe taking the girl on a date somewhere halfway between her and you, and then bouncing to your place which is now fairly close, for a movie/drink and smoke/whatever after? 15 minutes isn't *that* far in the grand scheme of things.

Post: #11

Would your stepdad be amenable to letting you "have the house" for an evening? If he's uncomfortable with strangers in the house, start mentioning "this girl you're starting to date," and warm him up to the thought of this person over time. Then just say it's her coming over no matter which sloot you're bringing.

Post: #12

(03-26-2013 08:07 PM)RandalGraves Wrote:  Would your stepdad be amenable to letting you "have the house" for an evening? If he's uncomfortable with strangers in the house, start mentioning "this girl you're starting to date," and warm him up to the thought of this person over time. Then just say it's her coming over no matter which sloot you're bringing.

My step dad is the coolest guy in the world, he'd happily turn a blind eye. I'm in my mid 20s, so he sees me as adult with sound judgement equal to his, and I never gave him any crap for marrying my mother.

Post: #13

(03-26-2013 09:55 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 08:07 PM)RandalGraves Wrote:  Would your stepdad be amenable to letting you "have the house" for an evening? If he's uncomfortable with strangers in the house, start mentioning "this girl you're starting to date," and warm him up to the thought of this person over time. Then just say it's her coming over no matter which sloot you're bringing.

My step dad is the coolest guy in the world, he'd happily turn a blind eye. I'm in my mid 20s, so he sees me as adult with sound judgement equal to his, and I never gave him any crap for marrying my mother.

Then you really don't have much of a logistical issue. Aside from concerns you may have about losing your face in front of girls for living at home.

If the latter is still an issue - guess what? In 2013 it's become the new norm. Half the girls you meet will be living with mom and dad themselves. More than half if we're talking about girls in their 18 - 24 prime.

Post: #14

(03-26-2013 10:30 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 09:55 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 08:07 PM)RandalGraves Wrote:  Would your stepdad be amenable to letting you "have the house" for an evening? If he's uncomfortable with strangers in the house, start mentioning "this girl you're starting to date," and warm him up to the thought of this person over time. Then just say it's her coming over no matter which sloot you're bringing.

My step dad is the coolest guy in the world, he'd happily turn a blind eye. I'm in my mid 20s, so he sees me as adult with sound judgement equal to his, and I never gave him any crap for marrying my mother.

Then you really don't have much of a logistical issue. Aside from concerns you may have about losing your face in front of girls for living at home.

If the latter is still an issue - guess what? In 2013 it's become the new norm. Half the girls you meet will be living with mom and dad themselves. More than half if we're talking about girls in their 18 - 24 prime.

The logistical issue I'm referring to is the 15 minute drive. That's 15 minutes for her logical brain to have a chance to turn on and decide sex won't happen. If I lived in the city I could just invite her over to a coffee shop across from my house, but here in Suburbia you don't have that...

The transition isn't as smooth... I'm losing so many notches just because I'm stuck here. I wish I could afford to live in the city, but I have to make the best with what I've got.

Post: #15

Did you move? Didn't know you had a step dad now either.

Post: #16

(03-26-2013 11:04 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  The logistical issue I'm referring to is the 15 minute drive. That's 15 minutes for her logical brain to have a chance to turn on and decide sex won't happen. If I lived in the city I could just invite her over to a coffee shop across from my house, but here in Suburbia you don't have that...

The transition isn't as smooth... I'm losing so many notches just because I'm stuck here. I wish I could afford to live in the city, but I have to make the best with what I've got.

Sounds like the thread title should be Logistics in Rural America.

Post: #17

(03-26-2013 03:28 AM)MrXY Wrote:  Bang her at her place or a hotel. I do it all the time.

Break this down. I've initiated it in the past but not here in Toronto. Would like to hear a fresh approach to how its done.

Post: #18

(03-27-2013 10:06 AM)kosko Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 03:28 AM)MrXY Wrote:  Bang her at her place or a hotel. I do it all the time.

Break this down. I've initiated it in the past but not here in Toronto. Would like to hear a fresh approach to how its done.

Would girls be amenable to banging in a cheap motel? I wonder if some girls would get turned off by suggesting doing it at a cheap motel.

Post: #19

(03-26-2013 11:04 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  The logistical issue I'm referring to is the 15 minute drive. That's 15 minutes for her logical brain to have a chance to turn on and decide sex won't happen. If I lived in the city I could just invite her over to a coffee shop across from my house, but here in Suburbia you don't have that...

The transition isn't as smooth... I'm losing so many notches just because I'm stuck here. I wish I could afford to live in the city, but I have to make the best with what I've got.

I've been living at home the last two years... the problem isn't a 15 minute drive. If she's coming over your house, and you've told her that you will be alone, she probably already knows what's up. Being in the car alone for 15 minutes is nothing compared to the attraction you will reignite with her when she arrives and you start running game again.

I've gotten girls to drive 30-40 minutes to my house and still gotten the bang.

If she's driving to your house, she's already NOT rejecting you based on logistics. Just chill, run your standard game, and enjoy.

Post: #20

When in transit back to your place you have to occupy her logical mind with mindless ramble so she doesn't start second-guessing things. Check out Krauser's blog for stories about this. A 15 minute drive is nothing...hell, you could be taking 15 minutes to drive 2 miles if you're in the city and there's traffic.

Post: #21

(03-26-2013 11:04 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  The logistical issue I'm referring to is the 15 minute drive. That's 15 minutes for her logical brain to have a chance to turn on and decide sex won't happen. If I lived in the city I could just invite her over to a coffee shop across from my house, but here in Suburbia you don't have that...

The transition isn't as smooth... I'm losing so many notches just because I'm stuck here. I wish I could afford to live in the city, but I have to make the best with what I've got.

15 minutes? Jesus fuck dude. This is almost a non-issue. Your step-dad can give you the place to himself and you're only a 15 minute drive away. There's tons of guys who live at home that would kill for your situation. If you can't keep a girl entertained/still willing to come over for 15 minutes, you've got a vastly more fundamental problem.

You are making excuses for yourself. Let's look at your first post:

(03-26-2013 01:03 AM)deathtofatties Wrote:  I've come to realize that the standard movie at my place isn't always as easy to pull off as it seems...

And then in a later post you say this:

(03-26-2013 11:59 AM)deathtofatties Wrote:  The other possibility is getting girls to drive 15 minutes over to my house for tea and a movie. That idea sounds risky as hell though.

It sounds risky as hell, yet earlier you said it wasn't working. Which is it? You're contradicting yourself, and it sure sounds like a whole lot of excuses.

Post: #22

Pick her up at her place, take her to a bar, then slowly bar hop back to your place.

Post: #23

(03-27-2013 10:06 AM)kosko Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 03:28 AM)MrXY Wrote:  Bang her at her place or a hotel. I do it all the time.

Break this down. I've initiated it in the past but not here in Toronto. Would like to hear a fresh approach to how its done.

OK-I'll tell you guys how I handle it for my particular situation, that is different from most guys I'm sure, but you can take from me what is useful to you.

I think a lot of guys, especially less experienced players, don't try to bang girls in hotels when it would be advantageous to do so because they fear the girl will be put off by the obvious sexual connotation of inviting her to your hotel and the "sleaziness" factor, and will have a strong negative reaction to the suggestion. It's totally understandable why a guy would think this, but in reality girls are far more amenable to going to a hotel than most guys would ever imagine. I get far more acceptances than refusals.

You need two elements 1) proper frame and 2) overcoming objections. Frame in this case means setting up a legitimate (non-sexual) reason why you are already at the hotel or going to be at the hotel. In my case, I live on one end of my beach town and do most of my pickup/dating activity on the other end, so it's maybe an 8 mile drive through town with lots of road construction while I've been drinking late at night. Sometimes, i will just go ahead and get a hotel, other times I will make a decision late at night if i think I shouldn't be driving. Girls accept this as a legit reason and it is a smart decision for me as well. What I don't tell them is that I also have a policy of rarely allowing girls to know where I live for privacy and security reasons.

In my case again, I do a lot of dating in small cities that are 30 minutes to up to 2 hours away from my own. I meet these women online. Sometimes i just drive back but other times I get a room in her city before I meet her, especially if I know that I might have a problem getting to go back to her place (has roommates, lives with parents, babysitter staying the night, etc) but I think I have a good chance of banging her otherwise.I carefully qualify her on all this beforehand through normal getting to know you type conversation via text and calls. I give her the same reason- don't want to drive back late when I'm sleepy and have been drinking. I mention the hotel casually late in the date after she has had a few drinks and we are getting along well. To do so any earlier would activate her defenses too much.

If you're staying in a city for business or travel you have a perfect ready made reason for why you're at a hotel. Of course, even if you live in the city, you can always claim you're just visiting.

When it comes time to make a move, I just handle it as if I was asking them to come back to my place. I tell them I have something to drink at the room and ask if they want to have a quick nightcap and to watch a little TV. They know the deal- that she is going to a hotel room with a guy who is going to try to fuck her- but I have fed enough pellets to the hamster-that I got the room for legit nonsexual purposes and it's just a quick drink-that she can rationalize her behavior as not being slutty. Once back at the room, make her a drink immediately, turn on the TV, get on the bed and go for the kiss within 10-15 minutes max.

If you don't already have a room, the process is more difficult and you'll get more refusals at the venue if you say you're going to get a room as opposed to come back to my room. However, if you can get her to actually go to the hotel, while her waiting for you to check in is a bit of an uncomfortable situation, she is pretty much committed at that point and I've never had one back out once she was at the hotel.

And then there are the ones who are so DTF they don't need any excuses. About 3 months ago I was at one of my favorite bars when I saw a lone chick eyeing me hard. I opened her and before long we were making out at the bar and I found out she had separated from her husband two weeks before. Obviously she was in the bar looking for dick, so after an hour I outright asked her if she wanted to go to a hotel and she said yes.I drove her to a hotel 2 minutes away; of course she still gave me the "I never do this" routine but she never really resisted and we banged several times. Another example-three weeks ago an online chick I had been trying to get out to meet me for months finally agreed at the last minute and drove an hour from her town to meet me. A strong sign of horniness. We had a fun date and when it got late she stated mentioning going back to my place. I told her I was going to get a hotel because I didn't want to drive and that she was invited and she readily agreed. If a chick is giving you strong signs of DTFness-go for it-throw up any excuse to get a hotel and she will probably accept it.

Objections- the most common objection I get is "Are you married?" but of course I get this all the time anyway hotel or not since I don't let chicks come to my place. Hotel sex is associated with adultery in the female mind, I just look them in the eye and firmly say "No I'm not "(which is the truth) and repeat why I got the hotel-don't want to drink and drive etc. You have to be firm and self assured in your denial. Even if she still has her suspicions, she can now tell herself "He told me he wasn't married!"

Other objections are that "I've never done this before" (lie, unless she's really young), "This seems kind of weird" and similar. Don't take these objections seriously or try to argue with her, you will just give them more importance. Instead, don't respond or just say "It's fine" reassuringly and keep plowing forward with rambling talk to get her mind off the objections and keep moving her physically to the room.

The dirty little secret is that a lot of chicks like a guy taking her to a hotel room and fucking her. It's a common scene in TV and films she's seen and probably a common female fantasy. It's exciting and naughty and we know that chicks are a lot dirtier and sleazier than they let on. A lot more of them have done it and are willing to do it than the average chump would ever imagine. Take charge, be confident, be smooth, and you can make it happen.

Note on hotels: I avoid any place that looks rundown, sketchy, sleazy or is in a bad neighborhood. I use the mid range chains- Holiday Inn, La Quinta, Sleep Inn, Days Inn etc. They are decent and affordable, and have never had a girl object to them. I only stay at high end hotels if I am meeting one of my regular girls there for a planned night of partying.

Post: #24

I honestly dont see what you're complaining about OP.

I too live at home and my logistics are much worse than yours. I got Mom, Dad and Sister under the same roof and the rooms are all upstairs in a row (no cool downstairs bedroom).

I wish I had logistics that facilitating.

Post: #25

(03-26-2013 11:21 AM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 09:50 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 03:31 AM)deathtofatties Wrote:  Let me add that this girl is under the legal drinking age here (under 21) and I met her from a day game approach. Her place is problematic (parents).

But certainly night game advice is always welcome.

Swoop her in a park.

In a car.

Where do you live?

Maybe the woods?

The beach?

An alley?

A friends crib?

Movie theater blower?

Very solid ideas. I'm thinking about putting a sleeping bag in my car with some pillows. I'm going to try to fuck her in my car.

A wonderful makeshift love den. I must try this when I'm forced to shage in the car.