(10-16-2014 11:18 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  I think some of the younger guys need to hear both sides of the argument, as you get older there is no guarantee that you will find a decent girl in your 40s.
I don't do online game but I like to look, I see quite a few nice looking girls in their 20s who are quite specific about not wanting to date men of a certain age ( late 30s and early 40s ). Sure there are just as many that don't care but the 40s goes by a lot quicker than your 20s. The window is small, 39 seems a lot younger than 41.
The guy with the young virgin girlfriend may not realize what he has got until she has gone, the grass will not be greener on the other side. I love Samseau line about masturbation, it's so true.
A girl that wants to stay home is so much better than a career bitch,who will sleep with whoever in the office to get ahead.

Wurd +1,000,000

There is no guarantee things will get better and like it or not your pool of young 20-somethings declines especially after 45. The window does get pretty short too as Rudeboy said. It was no problem for me in Russia to date young 21-23 year olds when I was late 30s and early 40s but now I look a little bit older and all those girls on the fringe are less willing to date guys 25 years older than them. There are plenty of exceptions of course but I'm a percentage player mostly and the percentages are going against me now. Let's face it eventually as you get older you just lose a lot of these girls that are more youthful and want guys maybe 5-10 years older than them. Iknowexactly has written a lot about this and I'm starting to experience it now.

Marrying a stay at home mom is definitely the way to go. Career girls are by definition confused about what they want in life and more accepting of what popular culture has told them to do, as opposed to being more biologically smart about it. The Progressive propaganda is just so powerful back home though that it's tough for many women to see through all the Feminist garbage.

I'm 33 but younger looking and its fun. Just a year ago there was a hot 20 year old that just wanted sex and I appreciated how nice a 20 year girl was. That said, I can tell its going to get A LOT harder in 5 years. I need to get way better at this or lower my expectations.

(10-16-2014 03:38 PM)robreke Wrote:  

(10-16-2014 03:14 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Rob you still don't get it, do you? Do you understand why you got dumped? If so let's hear it, because you won't find anyone respectable in this forum that would agree with that post.

I got dumped because I pursued her instead of the opposite. Are you saying a husband and wife shouldn't be friends on some level?

I don't think that means that the man is not the leader and she should be feminine. I just think there needs to be a friendship in any LTR. Are you saying that belief is blue pill and beta?

Please elaborate.

Alright let's flesh this out.


Let's clear some stuff out first.

Things a friend cannot be:

1. Someone that must submit underneath you physically or emotionally.

2. Someone that must obey.

3. Someone who must raise his children (teach and guide).

4. A friend is not granted legal immunity to not testify in court against the other friend. (Spousal Privilege)

5. A friend is not obligated to keep another persons house in order.

A best friend does not make it any different either. To get a clear understanding of what a marriage is in the first place, you have to look at it from the perspective of an Abrahamic based religious foundation. You could also look at it from a Confucian perspective as well and get the same things/values.

A wife can never be your friend merely because they are a wife. That relationship is special. It's unique. Even if you had 5 wives, they are still not your friends. You should never talk to them as if they were your friend, because they are not your friend in the first place.

Men have the following (more or less) responsibilities to a wife, that are not required for any kind of friendship:


1. To ensure she is fed, clothed, and cared for.

2. To mentor and guide the children, especially the males.

3. Be the decision maker for the entire household.

4. Provide physical security.

5. Take care of relatives/inlaws (depending upon the culture and religion, as well as the need).

By this point you should be asking yourself. "Gee am I required to do any of these things for my buddies?" If that answer is yes, you are a fucking doormat, gay, hopelessly beta, or something worse than any of those things. If a friend of mine and I disagree on something, we go our separate ways on that issue. Why? Because we have no obligations to one another. Marriage, from a biblical perspective, is a covenant between a man and a woman because actual intimacy is involved. The circle of life runs between that pairing. That cannot happen in a fuck buddy relationship or any other kind of friendship. Friendship is a conditional arraignment. It marriages were followed and done correctly by Godly women in the US, there would be no type of female initiated divorces (minus abuse from the husband) and husbands would have no reason to abandon their wives either.

When men start trying to "befriend" women they want to get intimate with the following occurs:

1. Friendzone.

2. General lack of respect.

3. Lack of respect for leadership/direction and head of household.

4. The woman is given power to create a set of conditions and rules that are not in the previous ones I listed before nor in the Bible or other set of values.

5. It causes you to lose masculine frame.

6. Provides open permission for her to become hypergamous.

7. She breaks your balls and turns you into a slave.

8. Your friends around you and her's (and her family) lose respect for you.

9. It gives other's the impression that you can be bargained with in their favor easily.

10. Your own self esteem gets worse and self doubt will creep in more and more.

Now if you are just trying to fuck some broad, you can play the friend hamster game with them all you want, without giving a shit who else they are fucking. Marriage and LTR is different. You do not want this to happen so in order to avoid that, you must put your foot down from day one and maintain frame.

I got millions of these but let me drop a couple:

Story 1:

Even when I was a beta, married to my exwife, I told her that when it comes to car buying. I am in charge and all decisions are final through me only. I gave her specific instructions that when we go look at the cars, the salesman is going to be a dick and try to talk to you and sidestep me and ask you what color you want, and if you want leather, etc. etc. Tell him: "Please ask my husband." "Thank you."

So we get there. Salesman did exactly what I told her, he would try. She told him a few colors and was giggling. He was even talking like a sissyfied fag with valley trash inflection to get her to loosen up. I said, "No thanks, we are leaving." He tried to recover everything, and I quickly cut him off and told him to shut the fuck up. She got a sad face and I pointed back to our car. I told her in the car that the salesman had now won, via divide and conquer strategy. He saw a weak husband that is cuckolded by his wife and he can toss his favorite fully loaded vehicles from his lineup at us preventing us from getting a decent deal. We will try this another time until you get it right.

Next week, we tried it again, she redirected and shut that prick down. We got the used car I already spotted in an ad that we discussed prior to meeting the sales guy.

How is this related? Could this happen with someone you consider your "friend" or someone you treat as a "friend"? No.


Story 2:

I am dating American chicks after my divorce. I was semi-redpill then. This one broad I was dating agrees to do dinner for a 3rd or 4th date, I forget. I asked her what kind of food she would like to try. She says fish/seafood, long answer short. I say okay I will find us a place. So when I take her to Eddie V's, she gets very defensive about it. "This is too much!" (She knows I am paying), but insists on complaining about it. It's not too much money for me and I wanted a reason to go there. That's still not the fucking point. So I tell her, "Look, you claim you are looking for a husband, leader, good role model, etc. etc. (basically I turned her bible studying and dumped it all over her), I picked a place and made a decision. You should be supportive of that decision, and respect the offer of this outing." "I am leading properly, why can't you follow me like a good spouse would do?"

She was pissed and it showed on her face, but she apologized and quickly shaped up and got with the program. I dumped her later for a different reason, but the example is still sound. A friendship would be a vote by committee. A marriage or LTR should be more like a dictatorship or an Autocracy. Not a fucking democracy. My current wife evens asks me to choose the clothes she wears. Before she even picks her underwear she asks me if the one she picks up is okay or not. My feminist relatives always try to ask her when is she going to get a job. Her answer is: "You have to ask <me>." "I am not allowed to work outside." Them: "Aren't you bored at home?" Her: "<Laugh> No, Never!". When they asked me why won't I let her work. I told them that it is my decision, none of anyone else's business, and nor is it up for discussion. So far it has not come up again.

Someone on RVF, I forget who has an excellent signature from Project Pat the rapper from 3 6 Mafia. "These bitches think they cool..." "I got the dick, so I make the rules."

That's the mindset you need when dealing with females.

Kai, brother,
Once again you nailed it big time! I totally agree with you that a wife is not a friend as you have eloquently outlined the reasons for it. Male and female platonic or even in a romantic setting friendship is a recent hollywoodian and feminist invention. The natural and organic way of relationships between men and women thoroughout time has been one of dependence and submission of women to men. It's the same throughout all the other species in the animal kingdom.

As I told you before, you need to start a podcast on Chinese dating, understanding Chinese women and anything related to Chinese culture and the dating scene there. As well as on teaching the hordes of betas about masculinity and what a traditional man is supposed to be.

(10-22-2014 03:31 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  He was even talking like a sissyfied fag with valley trash inflection to get her to loosen up. I said, "No thanks, we are leaving." He tried to recover everything, and I quickly cut him off and told him to shut the fuck up. She got a sad face and I pointed back to our car. I told her in the car that the salesman had now won, via divide and conquer strategy.

Great post.

I couldn't help but think that what the car salesman attempted to do, to get get between the woman and her man in order to put money in his pocket, is just what the media and corporations have done to western society. Except that they have totally succeeded.

(10-22-2014 03:31 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(10-16-2014 03:38 PM)robreke Wrote:  

(10-16-2014 03:14 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Rob you still don't get it, do you? Do you understand why you got dumped? If so let's hear it, because you won't find anyone respectable in this forum that would agree with that post.

I got dumped because I pursued her instead of the opposite. Are you saying a husband and wife shouldn't be friends on some level?

I don't think that means that the man is not the leader and she should be feminine. I just think there needs to be a friendship in any LTR. Are you saying that belief is blue pill and beta?

Please elaborate.

Alright let's flesh this out.


Let's clear some stuff out first.

Things a friend cannot be:

1. Someone that must submit underneath you physically or emotionally.

2. Someone that must obey.

3. Someone who must raise his children (teach and guide).

4. A friend is not granted legal immunity to not testify in court against the other friend. (Spousal Privilege)

5. A friend is not obligated to keep another persons house in order.

A best friend does not make it any different either. To get a clear understanding of what a marriage is in the first place, you have to look at it from the perspective of an Abrahamic based religious foundation. You could also look at it from a Confucian perspective as well and get the same things/values.

A wife can never be your friend merely because they are a wife. That relationship is special. It's unique. Even if you had 5 wives, they are still not your friends. You should never talk to them as if they were your friend, because they are not your friend in the first place.

Men have the following (more or less) responsibilities to a wife, that are not required for any kind of friendship:


1. To ensure she is fed, clothed, and cared for.

2. To mentor and guide the children, especially the males.

3. Be the decision maker for the entire household.

4. Provide physical security.

5. Take care of relatives/inlaws (depending upon the culture and religion, as well as the need).

By this point you should be asking yourself. "Gee am I required to do any of these things for my buddies?" If that answer is yes, you are a fucking doormat, gay, hopelessly beta, or something worse than any of those things. If a friend of mine and I disagree on something, we go our separate ways on that issue. Why? Because we have no obligations to one another. Marriage, from a biblical perspective, is a covenant between a man and a woman because actual intimacy is involved. The circle of life runs between that pairing. That cannot happen in a fuck buddy relationship or any other kind of friendship. Friendship is a conditional arraignment. It marriages were followed and done correctly by Godly women in the US, there would be no type of female initiated divorces (minus abuse from the husband) and husbands would have no reason to abandon their wives either.

When men start trying to "befriend" women they want to get intimate with the following occurs:

1. Friendzone.

2. General lack of respect.

3. Lack of respect for leadership/direction and head of household.

4. The woman is given power to create a set of conditions and rules that are not in the previous ones I listed before nor in the Bible or other set of values.

5. It causes you to lose masculine frame.

6. Provides open permission for her to become hypergamous.

7. She breaks your balls and turns you into a slave.

8. Your friends around you and her's (and her family) lose respect for you.

9. It gives other's the impression that you can be bargained with in their favor easily.

10. Your own self esteem gets worse and self doubt will creep in more and more.

Now if you are just trying to fuck some broad, you can play the friend hamster game with them all you want, without giving a shit who else they are fucking. Marriage and LTR is different. You do not want this to happen so in order to avoid that, you must put your foot down from day one and maintain frame.

I got millions of these but let me drop a couple:

Story 1:

Even when I was a beta, married to my exwife, I told her that when it comes to car buying. I am in charge and all decisions are final through me only. I gave her specific instructions that when we go look at the cars, the salesman is going to be a dick and try to talk to you and sidestep me and ask you what color you want, and if you want leather, etc. etc. Tell him: "Please ask my husband." "Thank you."

So we get there. Salesman did exactly what I told her, he would try. She told him a few colors and was giggling. He was even talking like a sissyfied fag with valley trash inflection to get her to loosen up. I said, "No thanks, we are leaving." He tried to recover everything, and I quickly cut him off and told him to shut the fuck up. She got a sad face and I pointed back to our car. I told her in the car that the salesman had now won, via divide and conquer strategy. He saw a weak husband that is cuckolded by his wife and he can toss his favorite fully loaded vehicles from his lineup at us preventing us from getting a decent deal. We will try this another time until you get it right.

Next week, we tried it again, she redirected and shut that prick down. We got the used car I already spotted in an ad that we discussed prior to meeting the sales guy.

How is this related? Could this happen with someone you consider your "friend" or someone you treat as a "friend"? No.


Story 2:

I am dating American chicks after my divorce. I was semi-redpill then. This one broad I was dating agrees to do dinner for a 3rd or 4th date, I forget. I asked her what kind of food she would like to try. She says fish/seafood, long answer short. I say okay I will find us a place. So when I take her to Eddie V's, she gets very defensive about it. "This is too much!" (She knows I am paying), but insists on complaining about it. It's not too much money for me and I wanted a reason to go there. That's still not the fucking point. So I tell her, "Look, you claim you are looking for a husband, leader, good role model, etc. etc. (basically I turned her bible studying and dumped it all over her), I picked a place and made a decision. You should be supportive of that decision, and respect the offer of this outing." "I am leading properly, why can't you follow me like a good spouse would do?"

She was pissed and it showed on her face, but she apologized and quickly shaped up and got with the program. I dumped her later for a different reason, but the example is still sound. A friendship would be a vote by committee. A marriage or LTR should be more like a dictatorship or an Autocracy. Not a fucking democracy. My current wife evens asks me to choose the clothes she wears. Before she even picks her underwear she asks me if the one she picks up is okay or not. My feminist relatives always try to ask her when is she going to get a job. Her answer is: "You have to ask <me>." "I am not allowed to work outside." Them: "Aren't you bored at home?" Her: "<Laugh> No, Never!". When they asked me why won't I let her work. I told them that it is my decision, none of anyone else's business, and nor is it up for discussion. So far it has not come up again.

Someone on RVF, I forget who has an excellent signature from Project Pat the rapper from 3 6 Mafia. "These bitches think they cool..." "I got the dick, so I make the rules."

That's the mindset you need when dealing with females.

(10-22-2014 03:31 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(10-16-2014 03:38 PM)robreke Wrote:  

(10-16-2014 03:14 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Rob you still don't get it, do you? Do you understand why you got dumped? If so let's hear it, because you won't find anyone respectable in this forum that would agree with that post.

I got dumped because I pursued her instead of the opposite. Are you saying a husband and wife shouldn't be friends on some level?

I don't think that means that the man is not the leader and she should be feminine. I just think there needs to be a friendship in any LTR. Are you saying that belief is blue pill and beta?

Please elaborate.

Alright let's flesh this out.


Let's clear some stuff out first.

Things a friend cannot be:

1. Someone that must submit underneath you physically or emotionally.

2. Someone that must obey.

3. Someone who must raise his children (teach and guide).

4. A friend is not granted legal immunity to not testify in court against the other friend. (Spousal Privilege)

5. A friend is not obligated to keep another persons house in order.

A best friend does not make it any different either. To get a clear understanding of what a marriage is in the first place, you have to look at it from the perspective of an Abrahamic based religious foundation. You could also look at it from a Confucian perspective as well and get the same things/values.

A wife can never be your friend merely because they are a wife. That relationship is special. It's unique. Even if you had 5 wives, they are still not your friends. You should never talk to them as if they were your friend, because they are not your friend in the first place.

Men have the following (more or less) responsibilities to a wife, that are not required for any kind of friendship:


1. To ensure she is fed, clothed, and cared for.

2. To mentor and guide the children, especially the males.

3. Be the decision maker for the entire household.

4. Provide physical security.

5. Take care of relatives/inlaws (depending upon the culture and religion, as well as the need).

By this point you should be asking yourself. "Gee am I required to do any of these things for my buddies?" If that answer is yes, you are a fucking doormat, gay, hopelessly beta, or something worse than any of those things. If a friend of mine and I disagree on something, we go our separate ways on that issue. Why? Because we have no obligations to one another. Marriage, from a biblical perspective, is a covenant between a man and a woman because actual intimacy is involved. The circle of life runs between that pairing. That cannot happen in a fuck buddy relationship or any other kind of friendship. Friendship is a conditional arraignment. It marriages were followed and done correctly by Godly women in the US, there would be no type of female initiated divorces (minus abuse from the husband) and husbands would have no reason to abandon their wives either.

When men start trying to "befriend" women they want to get intimate with the following occurs:

1. Friendzone.

2. General lack of respect.

3. Lack of respect for leadership/direction and head of household.

4. The woman is given power to create a set of conditions and rules that are not in the previous ones I listed before nor in the Bible or other set of values.

5. It causes you to lose masculine frame.

6. Provides open permission for her to become hypergamous.

7. She breaks your balls and turns you into a slave.

8. Your friends around you and her's (and her family) lose respect for you.

9. It gives other's the impression that you can be bargained with in their favor easily.

10. Your own self esteem gets worse and self doubt will creep in more and more.

Now if you are just trying to fuck some broad, you can play the friend hamster game with them all you want, without giving a shit who else they are fucking. Marriage and LTR is different. You do not want this to happen so in order to avoid that, you must put your foot down from day one and maintain frame.

I got millions of these but let me drop a couple:

Story 1:

Even when I was a beta, married to my exwife, I told her that when it comes to car buying. I am in charge and all decisions are final through me only. I gave her specific instructions that when we go look at the cars, the salesman is going to be a dick and try to talk to you and sidestep me and ask you what color you want, and if you want leather, etc. etc. Tell him: "Please ask my husband." "Thank you."

So we get there. Salesman did exactly what I told her, he would try. She told him a few colors and was giggling. He was even talking like a sissyfied fag with valley trash inflection to get her to loosen up. I said, "No thanks, we are leaving." He tried to recover everything, and I quickly cut him off and told him to shut the fuck up. She got a sad face and I pointed back to our car. I told her in the car that the salesman had now won, via divide and conquer strategy. He saw a weak husband that is cuckolded by his wife and he can toss his favorite fully loaded vehicles from his lineup at us preventing us from getting a decent deal. We will try this another time until you get it right.

Next week, we tried it again, she redirected and shut that prick down. We got the used car I already spotted in an ad that we discussed prior to meeting the sales guy.

How is this related? Could this happen with someone you consider your "friend" or someone you treat as a "friend"? No.


Story 2:

I am dating American chicks after my divorce. I was semi-redpill then. This one broad I was dating agrees to do dinner for a 3rd or 4th date, I forget. I asked her what kind of food she would like to try. She says fish/seafood, long answer short. I say okay I will find us a place. So when I take her to Eddie V's, she gets very defensive about it. "This is too much!" (She knows I am paying), but insists on complaining about it. It's not too much money for me and I wanted a reason to go there. That's still not the fucking point. So I tell her, "Look, you claim you are looking for a husband, leader, good role model, etc. etc. (basically I turned her bible studying and dumped it all over her), I picked a place and made a decision. You should be supportive of that decision, and respect the offer of this outing." "I am leading properly, why can't you follow me like a good spouse would do?"

She was pissed and it showed on her face, but she apologized and quickly shaped up and got with the program. I dumped her later for a different reason, but the example is still sound. A friendship would be a vote by committee. A marriage or LTR should be more like a dictatorship or an Autocracy. Not a fucking democracy. My current wife evens asks me to choose the clothes she wears. Before she even picks her underwear she asks me if the one she picks up is okay or not. My feminist relatives always try to ask her when is she going to get a job. Her answer is: "You have to ask <me>." "I am not allowed to work outside." Them: "Aren't you bored at home?" Her: "<Laugh> No, Never!". When they asked me why won't I let her work. I told them that it is my decision, none of anyone else's business, and nor is it up for discussion. So far it has not come up again.

Someone on RVF, I forget who has an excellent signature from Project Pat the rapper from 3 6 Mafia. "These bitches think they cool..." "I got the dick, so I make the rules."

That's the mindset you need when dealing with females.

Great stuff, right mindset

(10-22-2014 03:31 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Alright let's flesh this out...

Nice post, I enjoyed that. I realize being an highly dominant male triggers something primal in girls, it does something to them at a deep level. As much as I respect the approach, I'm just not that guy.

I have found good success in LTRs in a way that is more natural for my personality. I'm sort of aloof and not so available, and the girls I've dated seem to enjoy the challenge. Whatever approach one takes, I think the most important thing is that the girl holds you in high respect.

(10-23-2014 02:50 PM)William Windsor Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 03:31 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Alright let's flesh this out...

Nice post, I enjoyed that. I realize being an highly dominant male triggers something primal in girls, it does something to them at a deep level. As much as I respect the approach, I'm just not that guy.

I have found good success in LTRs in a way that is more natural for my personality. I'm sort of aloof and not so available, and the girls I've dated seem to enjoy the challenge. Whatever approach one takes, I think the most important thing is that the girl holds you in high respect.

You can choose to be buddy buddy with them all you want. This is geared towards marriage mostly. LTR highly benefits from this as well. If you are just running endless STRs with women, you can run the nice guy and buddy game system all you want. You just want the pussy right? Well, that is good enough especially for feminist brainwashed and independent Western women. I think it works for the extremely coy and docile women in Asia as well. There are just some women that are so sweet by default that you just cannot get into an argument or a fight over and they won't get all hypergamous and crazy.

If any guy not looking for a long term or marriage cares about their girls hypergamy and whether or not they respect you, you are fooling yourself there as well. If all you care about is getting the pussy, what else is there to give a shit about? You obviously run a type of kitty cat game. You are aloof and play hard to get. I'm sure that works for a while (depending upon your level of handsome and value you give off), but with most women, they will look for a better man after a while. That type of game won't last for long on almost no woman. Westernized or Eastern.

There is a big difference between "asshole game" and just plain ol masculinity. Don't get the two confused. Asshole game could range from slapping an object out of their hand to public embarrassment (think of scenes), or in most cases some rough talk. Masculinity especially in terms of marriage, is at worst just being stern, giving solid direction, and just old fashioned leadership. Things like that ensure the success of a marriage or LTR.

Some guys are so good looking, rich, or both that they do not have to dig into the different bags that contain the various aspects of game. If you continue to have great success with your game, good. If you start struggling, come back to the various bags and dig into one of each until you find something good. From the sound of your post, it would seem that you have tried various things before settling on what you currently use. As long as guys do not give up is all that matters, but understand that if you ever bother to subscribe to some institution like marriage (LTRs depending upon the gal), you may not have the luxury to operate it with the same reckless abandon. Just because you have something in your mind does not mean that the girl is on the same page with you. In many ways, we are all confined progress-wise to the core values that all these various women were either raised with or changed into. For the ones that are capable of changing into yours, you would still have to provide the leadership and not be their friend instead.

I think this becomes particularly relevant because of the so-called EE cliff. EE women look good in their 20s, but many who live a hard life there tend to fall apart a bit after 30 (query whether this makes them good targets for LTR in any event). Thus, the effect of aging up your target base from early mid twenties to pushing thirty as you age towards 50-60 has a greater negative impact, perhaps, than for someone in Asia or LA where women are presumed to age better. There may be other issues in those other locations (like availability of women you'd want to date, as divorce is lower in general perhaps and whats best of what is left may be widows, OK but a bit of a depressing niche), but it might be something worth considering if you've a demonstrated preference for women from one part of the world vs. another.

(10-18-2014 03:00 AM)Akula Wrote:  

(10-16-2014 11:18 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  I think some of the younger guys need to hear both sides of the argument, as you get older there is no guarantee that you will find a decent girl in your 40s.
I don't do online game but I like to look, I see quite a few nice looking girls in their 20s who are quite specific about not wanting to date men of a certain age ( late 30s and early 40s ). Sure there are just as many that don't care but the 40s goes by a lot quicker than your 20s. The window is small, 39 seems a lot younger than 41.
The guy with the young virgin girlfriend may not realize what he has got until she has gone, the grass will not be greener on the other side. I love Samseau line about masturbation, it's so true.
A girl that wants to stay home is so much better than a career bitch,who will sleep with whoever in the office to get ahead.

Wurd +1,000,000

There is no guarantee things will get better and like it or not your pool of young 20-somethings declines especially after 45. The window does get pretty short too as Rudeboy said. It was no problem for me in Russia to date young 21-23 year olds when I was late 30s and early 40s but now I look a little bit older and all those girls on the fringe are less willing to date guys 25 years older than them. There are plenty of exceptions of course but I'm a percentage player mostly and the percentages are going against me now. Let's face it eventually as you get older you just lose a lot of these girls that are more youthful and want guys maybe 5-10 years older than them. Iknowexactly has written a lot about this and I'm starting to experience it now.

Marrying a stay at home mom is definitely the way to go. Career girls are by definition confused about what they want in life and more accepting of what popular culture has told them to do, as opposed to being more biologically smart about it. The Progressive propaganda is just so powerful back home though that it's tough for many women to see through all the Feminist garbage.

(10-22-2014 03:31 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  My feminist relatives always try to ask her when is she going to get a job. Her answer is: "You have to ask <me>." "I am not allowed to work outside." Them: "Aren't you bored at home?" Her: "<Laugh> No, Never!". When they asked me why won't I let her work. I told them that it is my decision, none of anyone else's business, and nor is it up for discussion. So far it has not come up again.

Great post TK. Wish I could rep you again. So many of today's men don't make the connection of a woman working in the world to having her own life without him. Women working is the number one reason for the collapse of marriage.

Her having the ability to support herself, have her own separate friends, work-husbands, etc has empowered them to the point where they don't feel the need to submit to a man and can confidently defy him and leave him whenever it suits her.

I was hanging out with an ex-pat who's been playing here for 20+ years in the Philippines and he said women working is a relatively new concept in the country, and I'm seeing the effects of it. Even women with a steady mall job making 300 pesos a day starts to feel confident in the comfort and security her "career" gives her.

A woman always needs to have some metaphysical relationship to the masculine whether it's through her husband or her career, but it really cannot be both since it's akin to having two lovers.

Of course when a woman says she want's a husband who's her best-friend, she's really saying she never wants to submit to a man, be held accountable to someone else, or have her energies devoted to something other than her own whimsical self-interests. After all, friends don't do that.

I wonder if many of today's men buy into the "best friend", "women working" concepts because it lets them of the hook from doing the hard work and sacrifice that's required of being a real man and instead let's them stay being boys who spend most of their time playing with toys.

I'm on LinkedIn but don't use it much, recently I saw something that made me want to vomit.
This bloke maybe mid30's says his changed his name.
The reason he gave was that he just got married and took his wife's surname.
He totally gave up his surname, I cannot understand that shit......and other men are congratulating him WTF.