Post: #1

So, we take the red pill go all alpha male. Is it that we do this only to do the things we want to do? Or is there something larger, because one can get bored with all the gaming. How deep the rabbit hole goes? (matrix)

Post: #2

Assuming this isn't a troll, I felt inclined to reply.

Seeing the world in a red pill view does not make you "alpha". Imitating an alpha male's characteristics doesn't even make you "alpha".

An alpha male is a strong leader that others want to follow, that has good morals, is respectable and usually stands out from the pack. Acting a certain way with girls isn't "alpha", but there are obviously characteristics that you can imitate to lead a girl into thinking that you're not a certain way (i.e. beta).

Use your red pill knowledge to further your ambitions - to make better acquaintances, to achieve higher in the workplace, to travel the world, to write a book, whatever. The red pill isn't restrictive to gaming women. It gives you a more realistic outlook on life with quite a strong brotherhood.

Post: #3

I'll bite since I view what this forum discusses as a helpful ideology.

Like any ideology it is up to the individual to decide how committed or "deep" they want to carry out those ideas and what those ideas even mean. Just look at most threads on this forum, there is a huge dichotomy on what makes someone alpha/beta or what encompasses the red pill. The idea of game/red pill is a means to whatever end you want in life. If you subjectively believe the best life is to game chicks and spin plates then the red pill will help you. If you be believe having a family is a key goal then game will help you limit chances of unhappy marriage or divorce rape. It will also assist in instilling the proper values in the children you raise.

The core tenements of self-improvement, game, and logic basically are your tools do with what you want. Its a psychological advantage they don't teach in university. The rabbit hole is a deep as you want to dig.

Post: #4

I smell troll.

There is no 'end game'. No 'rabbit hole'.

The whole Red Pill movement is to know the truth and better yourself. Become a better man.

So to answer your question: The purpose is to live a better life.

Post: #5

This isn't just Game.

The Red Pill (in my mind) is all about raw gritty no-filter Truth.
It can be painful and bitter, just like growing pains or hard life lessons.

Do you continue eating the Steak with your head down?
Or do you pop a seat on the Nebuchadnezzar and grow a pair?

Like the Thai Girl's say, "Up to you."

Post: #6

There is indeed a rabbit hole. I've developed a whole line of thought about this. The world is too complicated to fully understand. It is a trap, a rabbit hole, to try to understand everything fully.

My theory goes something like this:

It is great to be fat, dumb, and happy. However, it sucks to be starving, dumb, and unhappy. If you are starving, dumb, and unhappy, you need to figure out what's wrong, and fix it. You need to stop being dumb. You want to become fat, smart, and happy.

Most us reached this point in some way when we took the red pill.

Now here's the thing. You can get involved in more and more circles of abstraction and analysis about understanding the way the world works through the red pill. Other people in other situations do the same. Anything from figuring out the nature of God and life, to a leftist figuring out how true socialism can finally be implemented. You end up arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, or asking if it is alpha to ask if something is alpha.

The key is not to get too wrapped up in trying to figure out how the world works. The world is more complicated than ever, and here's an important point:

The powers that be are actively throwing out false news, disinformation and needless complexity to trap as many people in the rabbit hole as possible! To some extent, the red pill manosphere community is allowed to exist because it traps a large number of people in this rabbit hole and keeps them occupied. The manosphere is controlled opposition to at least some degree. The only winning move in this game of over-analysis is not to play. At some level, the truth is unknowable, and you are surrounded by multiple factions of active deceivers.

The key is to get smart, and become fat, smart, and happy, but do it primarily by action. That's all the truth you need, and really, it's all the truth that is possible. Get smart enough to choice a course of action that works, and then push through to success, but don't get caught up with analysis paralysis.

I'm not quite saying that it's impossible to construct a solid and truthful philosophy, but I do think there are limits. I think some short list of classic truths can be made for sure, like Roosh's neo-masculinity list. However, even then, I think the model only approximates reality. I think the key is not to get too carried away with developing a perfect model that matches reality exactly, and arguing the fine points of the model with all the other denizens of the rabbit hole.

Post: #7

If you want to be lean, smart, and happy, you can visit the weightlifting forum: /forum-39.html

Post: #8

It's not like a deep rabbit hole, it's more like coming out from behind a rock. That rock of delusion is mainstream western culture, sustained by Facebook, the TV, politicians, and so on.

One thing I've noticed in the manosphere though is very much treating it like "a rabbit hole". This leads a lot of them to migrate into conspiracy theory stuff (including some of the full-bore nutty stuff), treating that as the next level of "hidden truth discovery".

Basically you eventually "more or less get it", you can then consider yourself normal, and just focus on bettering yourself and your position.

Post: #9

I think the best analogy for the red pill is plato's cave. Being that we all had a perceived reality the blue pill. Taking the red pill means transcending this childlike innocence as to view the world as it actually is

Post: #10

(03-08-2017 07:46 PM)Tactician Wrote:  If you want to be lean, smart, and happy, you can visit the weightlifting forum: /forum-39.html

Fat, dumb and happy is usually thought of as an insult for people with abundance, who just have it by luck and circumstance. However, I think an ideal and well structured society would put most of its citizens in that category. Just follow the rules and play out the role and identity you were born into, and you live a happy life, with family, friends, a pretty, loving wife, interesting and good paying job, recognition, and respect. A person in this position often thinks they're smart, because they understand the rules and follow them, but they have no idea how lucky they are to live in a cohesive society with rules that work, with mostly happy citizens.

In a society like ours, the rules they tell you don't work, and society is so fractured, so you have to go against the grain and carve out a good life for yourself in spite of your circumstances. Humans are social animals, and few can invent a philosophy and pattern of life for themselves in spite of the culture around them. It's very hard to discern what works over all the noise, and then test it in your life and see what works, but that's the situation we all find ourselves in.

So, that's why I say there are limits to our ability to actually understand the world enough to logically construct a philosophy and lifestyle. There are many, many competing theories, some wildly opposed to each other, and some seemingly similar, but with sharp disagreements on some critical fine points. Sometimes its the fine points that make all the difference between success and failure in your life, so you go all in trying to work out exactly how the world works, and thinking exactly how the ideal society should function.

I'm saying there are limits to how much can actually be figured out and understood. Real life defies logical analysis beyond a certain point, and you have to learn to just roll intuitively. The rabbit hole is a metaphor for this trap of over analysis, that leads into more and more arcane details, in a way that usually can never result in more successful living.

For many people, spending time in the rabbit hole becomes their main passtime, and their friends are fellow residents of their local warren. This might actually be a pretty good outcome, but I still think it's better to see the rabbit hole for what it is, and don't let it take an excessive amount of your time and attention. Live in the real world, building, making money, having friendships, fun, love, sex, kids. Travel and experience other cultures. Live life to the fullest.

Post: #11

There is that one Christian principle - 'be in the world, yet not of the world'.

Yes when one takes the 'Red Pill', you will be more aware than most of the state of play as a whole.
Where you go from there is up to you.
A man may need a purpose. Yet as long as that purpose is pro-active, pragmatic & positive, you shouldn't have a problem.

Avoid frivolity, avoid fantasy, avoid folly.
Don't base your foundation on fickle females either.

Of course some say that after the 'Red Pill', there is the 'Black Pill'.
Seems too many are too depressed & too emotional at that 'Black Pill' stage however.

Post: #12

(03-09-2017 07:38 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  There is that one Christian principle - 'be in the world, yet not of the world'.

Yes when one takes the 'Red Pill', you will be more aware than most of the state of play as a whole.
Where you go from there is up to you.
A man may need a purpose. Yet as long as that purpose is pro-active, pragmatic & positive, you shouldn't have a problem.

Avoid frivolity, avoid fantasy, avoid folly.
Don't base your foundation on fickle females either.

Of course some say that after the 'Red Pill', there is the 'Black Pill'.
Seems too many are too depressed & too emotional at that 'Black Pill' stage however.

This is what it ultimately comes down to. After reaching a certain level of 'notches' or 'success', if that is business or work, travel. I have come to conclusion, how there is always more. You will obtain a degree of calmness, by knowing that you have achieved, what you initially set out to reach. But in the end this just blesses you with more confidence, to the point where you go back out again to get more things.

This is living life to the max, but there always seems to be more. And the relentless attachments that one self indulges in, just leads to unhappiness and restlessness. Religion has come to be a blessing, same with meditation.

Post: #13

Thank you brothers. You gifted me knowledge and courage to see the things as they are. Always glad to hear some thoughts.

Post: #14

(03-09-2017 11:47 AM)QuietDon Wrote:  Thank you brothers. You gifted me knowledge and courage to see the things as they are. Always glad to hear some thoughts.

With all fairness, all of this esoteric knowledge, only applies to one who has experienced it. Otherwise they are just empty words. Live through life and apply the teachings that this forum gives. The book of Pook is valuable. There are various other teachings given through the old testament that are of a similar nature.

Post: #15

In my experiences it was more of an awakening, people develop bad habits and surrounded myself with even worse people, when they are not actively working on keeping themselves grounded.

It's a pilgrimage in the sense that it will be a hard journey and you may end up bearing some scars at the end of it.

For me it was more about lifestyle changes (physically and mentally) & finding the courage to chase the things I wanted rather than getting bangs 24/7.

Although a by-product of becoming more grounded in yourself is getting more attention from women and thus finding it easier to get a leg over.

as [email protected] said, "the purpose is to live a better life"

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Post: #17

(03-09-2017 10:49 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  

Photos always work to explain something hard to explain.

Post: #18

Everything changed for the better when women, no matter how feminine and beautiful, were taken down off the pedestal and instead placed in a drawer labeled, "when I have free time".

Post: #19

You end up with infowars, Alex Jones

Post: #20

(03-08-2017 11:18 AM)QuietDon Wrote:  So, we take the red pill go all alpha male. Is it that we do this only to do the things we want to do? Or is there something larger, because one can get bored with all the gaming. How deep the rabbit hole goes? (matrix)

I suppose if one went to the extreme end of nihilism or existentialism then they might embrace sociopathy or extreme sexual deviance like Marquis de Sade, but that's an unlikely conclusion unless one takes the view of nihilism to its extreme.

Post: #21

There is hidden knowledge that people like Alex Jones and Joe Rogan know but can't say outright because people would be instantly turned off.

The good news is that Trump has this knowledge.

The rabbit hole goes as deep as you care to take it. Most people just don't care. Most people are contempt with the "freedom" they've been given. What they've been allowed to have.

Be warned if you choose to burrow though. Part way down the rabbit hole is the scariest thing you'll ever encounter - a mirror.

Post: #22

The Illuminati as we know it is a farce. It's a straw man put up by the people in power. It's the great meme.

It's the ultimate blame magnet for humanity to shift responsibility from our own selves onto something else, and they have done a genius job of letting humanity fight over the fact.

"I am in this position because the Illuminati"
"There is no hope because the Illuminati control the world"

Post: #23

(03-12-2017 05:08 AM)Sooth Wrote:  The Illuminati as we know it is a farce. It's a straw man put up by the people in power. It's the great meme.

It's the ultimate blame magnet for humanity to shift responsibility from our own selves onto something else, and they have done a genius job of letting humanity fight over the fact.

"I am in this position because the Illuminati"
"There is no hope because the Illuminati control the world"

I totally agree with you, when we think things or people are controlling us, we just gift our power and energy to them, and lose it.

Post: #24

Yes but make no mistake that there aren't anyone in this whole web that at least puts things at motion (maybe orchestrates events). But illuminati? Hmm... There is no reason for them to be top rulers. I would rather put at place some Masonic lodges than 18th century society.