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Three years ago, Donald Trump mocked John McCain for losing the 2008 presidential election.
“I don’t like losers,” said Trump.
When an interviewer pointed out that McCain was a war hero, Trump shot back: “He’s a ‘war hero’ because he was captured. I like people that weren’t captured.”

To Trump, that’s the story of McCain’s life: McCain was a loser. He lost the war in Vietnam. He was captured and humiliated. He lost five years of his life. He lost the ability to raise his arms. He lost the 2000 presidential election to George W. Bush. He lost in 2008 to Barack Obama. McCain never got to gloat, as Trump did against his critics on Thursday, that “I’m president, and they’re not.”

McCain never spoke that way. He was never so mean, self-absorbed, or obsessed with scorekeeping. That’s not because McCain was a loser. It’s because he understood that some things were more important than winning. For those things, McCain was willing to endure defeat and pain. His life was a lesson in what can be accomplished through loss.

McCain suffered losses because he took risks. Sometimes, as in Iraq, he supported wars that went bad. Sometimes, as in Syria, he labored in vain to get the United States to intervene. At home, he failed to pass immigration reform and legislation to reduce carbon emissions, but it wasn’t for lack of trying. And early in his life, when he could have used family connections to stay out of danger in Vietnam, he put himself on the line instead.

Trump, having concocted a medical excuse to avoid the Vietnam draft, spent the war years carousing, making money, and bedding women, which he called his “ personal Vietnam.” McCain’s personal Vietnam was Vietnam. Flying wasn’t the most dangerous job in that war, but McCain did it repeatedly. At a
memorial service on Friday, Vice President Pence noted that McCain was shot down not on his first bombing run, but on his 23 .

To McCain, loss was worth risking to achieve something more important. That philosophy went beyond war. “He loved to win, but he also loved a good fight for a just cause, even if it didn’t succeed,” former Sen. Joe Lieberman said on Saturday in a memorial service at the National Cathedral. Obama, at the same service, recalled that McCain’s idol, Theodore Roosevelt, spoke of “those who strive, who dare to do great things, who sometimes win and sometimes come up short, but always relish a good fight—a contrast to cold, timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”

In risking and enduring loss, McCain gave what no winner could. The ultimate test of values, he reminded us, isn’t what you’re willing to kill for. It’s what you’re willing to die for. Vice President Joe Biden, speaking at a memorial service in Arizona on Thursday, said McCain’s years in Vietnam taught Americans that “that there are principles and ideals greater than ourselves that are worth suffering, sacrificing for, and if necessary, dying for.” At Saturday’s service, Sen. Lindsey Graham spoke for less than 30 seconds, quoting Jesus’ words: “No greater love than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.”

McCain’s losses made him stronger. At Saturday’s service, his daughter, Meghan, described his suffering in Vietnam: “He was crippled, he was beaten, he was starved, he was tortured, and he was humiliated.” But out of that defeat, she explained, “he triumphed.” When Meghan, as a girl, was thrown from a horse, her father instructed her to get back on it, telling her, “Nothing is going to break you.”

To Trump, McCain’s capture was the end of his Vietnam story. But to McCain, it was the beginning. “Captivity did not diminish John’s sense of calling or his commitment to mission,” said Pence. At Saturday’s service, Bush argued that in the end, McCain prevailed through “a courage that frightened his captors and inspired his countrymen.” In Obama’s words, “It forced even the most cynical to consider: What were we doing for our country? What might we risk everything for?”

When McCain returned from war, his losses had changed him. He remained a warrior and continued to support military interventions. But his ordeal made him think less about himself and more about what he could do for others who suffered as he had suffered. At this week’s memorial services, colleagues recalled how, on congressional trips abroad, McCain insisted on meeting with dissidents and human rights activists. “He loved freedom with the passion of a man who knew its absence,” said Bush, and his “firsthand experience of cruelty” inspired him to treat others better than he had been treated.
Bush didn’t mention that this led McCain to oppose Bush’s own policy of permitting torture of detainees.

To Trump, the only difference between his presidential candidacy and McCain’s is that McCain lost. But McCain showed the country that in politics, as in war, sometimes you honor principles best by refusing to betray them for victory. Obama recalled that at a forum during the 2008 campaign, when a woman impugned Obama’s patriotism, McCain defended his Democratic opponent. Obama didn’t contrast this with Trump’s behavior. He didn’t have to.

McCain didn’t ridicule people, as Trump does, for having less money or going to lesser schools. At the memorial services, friends noted that McCain, by his own account, finished near the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy. They recalled the anger he often displayed at ill treatment of ordinary people. To McCain, life’s only true losers were those who deserted their values. At Saturday’s service, Henry Kissinger quoted McCain’s words: “No one of us, if they have character, leaves behind a wasted life.”

It was striking to hear those words from Kissinger, who notoriously preached realism, not idealism, in foreign policy. It was even more striking to hear Kissinger repeat McCain’s most radical pronouncement: “We will not thrive in a world where our leadership and ideals are absent. We wouldn’t deserve to.” If McCain can teach his party and his country that lesson—that victory without principles is worthless—his losses will be worth it. It will be his greatest triumph.

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A good fight for a just cause? McCain never saw a war that he didn't like. His actions help cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians in the countries that the US invaded. Goodbye and good riddance, you won't be missed. Whatever personal sacrifice he made does not justify his war hawk behavior later in life. People might not like Trump but he hasn't started another illegal war(yet).

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McCain isn't nearly as brave as you are with this thread.

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Trump supported the war too.

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Hi, Meghan.

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(09-02-2018 03:18 PM)Stonk Wrote:  It was even more striking to hear Kissinger repeat McCain’s most radical pronouncement: “We will not thrive in a world where our leadership and ideals are absent. We wouldn’t deserve to.”

Yes we would. We do not what it is to thrive in fact.

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Let me get this straight, according to you McCain's legacy is getting captured during a war in which was built on a big lie. He then gets elected to office and has the ability to speak out against and vote against sending young men to the same fate, or worse death but he does not. No, this piece of shit does the exact opposite to enrich himself and his benefactors and sends countless men to their deaths and if he had his way would have sent many more. Then you have the nerve to post about this man having honor all the while bashing Trump. You won't last long on this forum.

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OP has some contrarian opinions.

How to be more masculine.

(07-21-2018 02:08 PM)Stonk Wrote:  Watch Frank Underwood. Mimick his style. His use of metaphors and the pace of his speech. Good stuff to learn from.

You realize Frank Underwood is homosexual and the actor who plays him is homosexual?

Then there is this.

(06-27-2018 08:43 AM)Stonk Wrote:  Amy schumer says some pretty unfeminine things, but that doesn't make her jokes any less funny.

Amy Schumer is funny?

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Stonk, are you just dumb and clueless, or a shill?

If you're just dumb, educate yourself. McCain was controlled opposition and a traitor.

Read this article that explains some, but not all, of his deviousness:

https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda...president/

If you're a shill, it's obviously not working here. Go away.

Better yet, drop the ban hammer on this POS.

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Some people's legacy is debatable.

Other people's legacy is easier to judge.

If the answer to the question "would the world be a better place if this individuals mother had a miscarriage" can easily be answered with "yes" the legacy is dog shit.

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Reposted mostly from here it seems: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018...-took.html

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I was hoping for another Hank Moody thread

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(09-02-2018 04:13 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

(07-21-2018 02:08 PM)Stonk Wrote:  Watch Frank Underwood. Mimick his style. His use of metaphors and the pace of his speech. Good stuff to learn from.

You realize Frank Underwood is homosexual and the actor who plays him is homosexual?

OP got some misunderstanding but in his defense he is right about this, Franck Underwood, Truxton Spangler, Phillip Price, Varys & little finger, Tyrion, Bobby Axelrod and many more that's how the powerful are talking: metaphors, aphasia, never saying thank you, contradicting facial expression/message and so much more.

If you dig a little about "how they do things" you're going to be mesmerized...

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Wait...,,,,what???

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The globalists. They doth mourn too much... & I'm not only talking about McCain.

When not only American media, but Australian media in addition, make a big fuss about the death of one globalist senator.
You know the control freaks are desperate to maintain "control" worldwide with their "Globalist Narrative"...

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(09-02-2018 04:44 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Reposted mostly from here it seems: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018...-took.html

I think OP needs to clarify whether he accidentally left off the link and quote box, or whether it's maybe time for a holiday "out to sea".

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Meghan how can I get a thicc neck like you?

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(09-02-2018 05:21 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  I was hoping for another Hank Moody thread

Me too since it wan't in the Game section

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(09-02-2018 03:44 PM)Stonk Wrote:  Trump supported the war too.

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(09-02-2018 09:34 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 03:44 PM)Stonk Wrote:  Trump supported the war too.

Probably the most heroic thing that CiC Trump has done is to resist that McCain suckup General McMaster's demand that Trump send 150,000 US Troops into Syria likely bogging us down in another $1Trillion war and thousands more dead and severely wounded US Troops. Trump instead decided to send a couple barrages of Cruise Missiles to destroy an airfield and installations used to manufacture poison gas used against Men, Women, and Children in Syria - to send a message to this now client state of Iran to watch out for the eventual Trumpian Ban Hammer of Thor, already banged down once with severe economic sanctions that has the Iranian economy on the verge of collapse.

People (ShitLibs) and some fellow vets (Only a small handful of VetShitLibs) like to criticise me for supporting Trump because he took several deferments rather than go to Vietnam. Thank God Almighty he instead went to work for his father and struck out on his own spending a lifetime amassing enough Phock You Money worldwide to allow him to risk his Life, Family and Considerable fortune to single handedly halt the Globalists NWO mission to shred our sacred Constitution and reverse the negative aspects of the Clintons and Obama approved sellouts of the USA to Communist Red Freaking China not to mention the treasonous Sellout of 20% of a US Strategic Asset Uranium One for $140 Million in illegal donations to the Clinton Crime Cartels fraudulent Foundation while the wretched corrupt witch was a sitting US Secretary of State - High Phocking Treason. Impossible to have occurred without the Treasonous complicity of Clapper, Brennan, Hayden, Rice, Yates, Comey, Mueller (The Uranium One Yellow Cake Samples courier to Moscow) and last but not least Obama the Islamo-Communist Marxist himself.

I can't wait for the results of the midterms real Red Wave to roll in so Trump can drop the Hammer of Thor on all of these Traitors with 5AM SWAT raids and televised perp walks.

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John McCain was a lot like Ted Kennedy. Ted ran his car off a bridge and let a woman die. Most people would have paid for this. Ted didn't because his family bailed his pathetic ass out of the fire. I suspect it wasn't the only time Joe bailed Teddy out of a jam.

McCain got demerits at the Naval Academy. He was an irresponsible solider. His daddy and granddaddy were admirals. They are always covering for his ass. Like Ted, he was forced the face consequences for hsi actions.

McCain and Kennedy were both essentially overgrown children. A career in politics was the logical choice for them. Somehow, throughout their lives, nothing seemed to stick to them. McCain took bribes from Charles Keating and should have left the Senate in disgrace. He survived and was elected many times after that.

These guys were both legends at conning the public into absolving them for everything they did.

Men, let your kids face the consequences for their mistakes. They will be better for it in the long run.

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(09-02-2018 09:54 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  Probably the most heroic thing that CiC Trump has done is to resist that McCain suckup General McMaster's demand that Trump send 150,000 US Troops into Syria likely bogging us down in another $1Trillion war and thousands more dead and severely wounded US Troops. Trump instead decided to send a couple barrages of Cruise Missiles to destroy an airfield and installations used to manufacture poison gas used against Men, Women, and Children in Syria - to send a message to this now client state of Iran to watch out for the eventual Trumpian Ban Hammer of Thor, already banged down once with severe economic sanctions that has the Iranian economy on the verge of collapse.

People (ShitLibs) and some fellow vets (Only a small handful of VetShitLibs) like to criticise me for supporting Trump because he took several deferments rather than go to Vietnam. Thank God Almighty he instead went to work for his father and struck out on his own spending a lifetime amassing enough Phock You Money worldwide to allow him to risk his Life, Family and Considerable fortune to single handedly halt the Globalists NWO mission to shred our sacred Constitution and reverse the negative aspects of the Clintons and Obama approved sellouts of the USA to Communist Red Freaking China not to mention the treasonous Sellout of 20% of a US Strategic Asset Uranium One for $140 Million in illegal donations to the Clinton Crime Cartels fraudulent Foundation while the wretched corrupt witch was a sitting US Secretary of State - High Phocking Treason. Impossible to have occurred without the Treasonous complicity of Clapper, Brennan, Hayden, Rice, Yates, Comey, Mueller (The Uranium One Yellow Cake Samples courier to Moscow) and last but not least Obama the Islamo-Communist Marxist himself.

I can't wait for the results of the midterms real Red Wave to roll in so Trump can drop the Hammer of Thor on all of these Traitors with 5AM SWAT raids and televised perp walks.

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To everyone dissing mcain, you know maybe you should think twice about making fun of a decorated war vet for his injuries and maybe
if he doesn't act the way you think he should but maybe if you took time to actually listen to what he has to say.......






Fuck mcain and everyone else who sold us out.

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(09-02-2018 09:54 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 09:34 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 03:44 PM)Stonk Wrote:  Trump supported the war too.

Probably the most heroic thing that CiC Trump has done is to resist that McCain suckup General McMaster's demand that Trump send 150,000 US Troops into Syria likely bogging us down in another $1Trillion war and thousands more dead and severely wounded US Troops. Trump instead decided to send a couple barrages of Cruise Missiles to destroy an airfield and installations used to manufacture poison gas used against Men, Women, and Children in Syria - to send a message to this now client state of Iran to watch out for the eventual Trumpian Ban Hammer of Thor, already banged down once with severe economic sanctions that has the Iranian economy on the verge of collapse.

People (ShitLibs) and some fellow vets (Only a small handful of VetShitLibs) like to criticise me for supporting Trump because he took several deferments rather than go to Vietnam. Thank God Almighty he instead went to work for his father and struck out on his own spending a lifetime amassing enough Phock You Money worldwide to allow him to risk his Life, Family and Considerable fortune to single handedly halt the Globalists NWO mission to shred our sacred Constitution and reverse the negative aspects of the Clintons and Obama approved sellouts of the USA to Communist Red Freaking China not to mention the treasonous Sellout of 20% of a US Strategic Asset Uranium One for $140 Million in illegal donations to the Clinton Crime Cartels fraudulent Foundation while the wretched corrupt witch was a sitting US Secretary of State - High Phocking Treason. Impossible to have occurred without the Treasonous complicity of Clapper, Brennan, Hayden, Rice, Yates, Comey, Mueller (The Uranium One Yellow Cake Samples courier to Moscow) and last but not least Obama the Islamo-Communist Marxist himself.

I can't wait for the results of the midterms real Red Wave to roll in so Trump can drop the Hammer of Thor on all of these Traitors with 5AM SWAT raids and televised perp walks.

Good post Diver, but you're wrong about Assad using poison gas on his people, those were false flag operations by the jiihadis that were carried while the Syrians were about to wipe them out through conventional means. There is no way in hell that those gas attacks were done by the Syrian army. Don't buy into that propaganda.