Post: #1

Like many people here, I have an interest in the Balkans. I visited the region a few years ago and really liked it. I think there could be a lot of tourism and investment potential there, but just because there hasn't been outright military hostility since the Kosovo conflict doesn't mean that everyone holds hands and sings Kumbaya. A lot of tension still seethes below the surface.

Recently there's been some media coverage about the proposed border swap between Kosovo and Serbia. While I read about the region I'm not extremely knowledgeable about it and I'm not sure what it all means. I started this thread to see what opinions forum members have, especially those that may have a better understanding of the situation.


Here's a summary of what has been reported so far:

- Serbia and Kosovo are both interested in EU membership, but this idea will not be entertained by the EU until the two countries "normalize" relations which presumably includes official recognition of Kosovo by Serbia.

- The two countries proposed swapping regions - Kosovo would take an area of Serbia that is predominantly ethnic Albanian and vice versa.

- The heads of state for the two nations had agreed to meet in Brussels yesterday (Sep 7 2018). Opposition politicians in Kosovo organized mass protests with the reason given being that the proposed deal threatens Kosovo's "territorial integrity"

- Bolton released a statement saying the US would not interfere in the process and would go along with whatever they decide:

Quote:Our policy, the U.S. policy, is that if the two parties can work it out between themselves and reach agreement, we don’t exclude territorial adjustments. It’s really not for us to say...We would not stand in the way, and I don’t think anybody in Europe would stand in the way if the two parties to the dispute reached a mutually satisfactory settlement

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Quote:According to two sources familiar with Trump administration’s thinking, the new policy is “no red lines but no blank cheques”, meaning the US is willing to look at any solution, including border changes, but will not necessarily endorse it in the end. Some EU officials have hinted they may also be willing to back a deal that involves border changes.

The Guardian now refers to it as "the US backed plan" which seems like a weird interpretation to me.

- As it turns out, the italicized part of the Bolton quote is not true, and several European actors have spoken out against the idea. Most notably Merkel:

Quote:The territorial integrity of the states of the Western Balkans has been established and is inviolable...This has to be said again and again because again and again there are attempts to perhaps talk about borders and we can't do that

Her reasoning is that pushing for the existence of states based on ethnicity sets a dangerous precedent.

- Merkel's stance has been criticized by the European Commission and the EU's Enlargement Commissioner (great job title).

- Various parties also oppose the idea arguing that it could reignite ethnic tensions in the regions and lead to similar movements not just in the Balkans but also in Ukraine.

Quote:The idea to partition Kosovo [is] just a reboot of Milosevic’s ‘Greater Serbia’ project, and as then, the ultimate target is not Kosovo but Bosnia and Herzegovina,” Jasmin Mujanovic, an analyst of the Balkans, told Newsweek. “If the international community agrees to a ‘land swap’ in Kosovo, Vucic [president of Serbia] will next insist — as he and his underlings already do — that Bosnia and Herzegovina is a non-functional state and that its eastern territories, those ethnically cleansed by the Milosevic regime in the 1990s and now known as the ‘Republika Srpska,’ are better off with Serbia

The UK also opposes the plan. Russia has only given vague statements.

Quote:Maria Zakharova, spokeswoman for the Russian foreign ministry, said it was down to Belgrade and Pristina to agree a deal, but pointedly said “the deal has to reflect the interests of the Serb people” if Russia is to back it. She declined to clarify how Russia would assess these interests.

However RT reports "Kosovo-Seriva land swap could send whole region into turmoil."

https://www.rt.com/news/437583-kosovo-serbia-land-swap/

- The proposed meeting between the two presidents did not take place yesterday. The following article reports that the Serbian president wanted to visit Gazivode Lake in Northern Kosovo but was not given permission whereas other sources such as Reuters say both presidents called off the talks or the talks "fell through".

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/...09-07-2018

Here's another interpretation:

Quote: [Serbian government official] Djuric added that "there are not minimum conditions to talk to the representatives of Pristina today." Djuric cited "all the threats and deceits" from Kosovo that he says have made the meeting impossible

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As usual it seems there's a lot going on below the surface that isn't being reported, but in many of these cases it's difficult to understand the motivations. It seems that the US/UK's desire has always been to integrate Serbia into the Western economic system (hence the "humanitarian intervention" by "NATO" in 1999), and therefore integration into the EU would be their top priority, so I'm not understanding why the US and UK are diverging here unless post-Brexit UK prefers to limit EU expansion. As for Germany, Merkel's motivations seem pretty transparent in light of her domestic policy of actively eroding ethnic homogeneity.

Austria and Luxembourg oppose the border swap while Belgium and Romania echo Bolton's sentiment that it's up to the two sides to work it out.

So what is really going on here? It seemed there was a lot of momentum for the talks and then they fall apart at the last minute. Did they really intend to meet or was it all a big game of chicken? If so what was the purpose of all the posturing?

This is where my understanding of the situation reaches its limits so what are your thoughts?

Post: #2

Brilliant, allowing Kosovo or any part of Bosnia into the EU permanently seals the fate of the EU to a horrible death that will consume Europe.

Post: #3

There is nothing to discuss with Kosovo terrorists, keep the conflict frozen and wait for the right opportunity to bring it back into fold.

Unfortunately, the current Serbian government was slowly brought to power from the West with the explicit goal of surrendering Kosovo, you can't imagine the amount of media (99% of it is in total control of traitors) brainwashing operation that is active right now in Serbia.

Kosovo is Serbia is more then a slogan. If the Serbs surrender it, then it is only a matter of time before we vanish as a people. Nothing that I write here will give a good enough picture to you of how important Kosovo is for us.

Post: #4

For those that don't know:

http://www.kosovo.net/kosbitka.html

Post: #5

Kosovo is Serbia. Always was, always will be.

There's a reason why the flag of the modern state of Kosovo is modelled on the flag of the EU.

Post: #6

(09-08-2018 01:00 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Brilliant, allowing Kosovo or any part of Bosnia into the EU permanently seals the fate of the EU to a horrible death that will consume Europe.

Care to explain? I have a very strong interest in needing to know whether there will be war in Kosovo within the next year.

Post: #7

Kosovo has no business being an independent country because Albania will swallow it up as part of their "Greater Albania" campaign. If it were up to me, the Serbs would have Kosovo back (and Albania will cease to exist as a country)

Post: #8

I don't really have an opinion on where Kosovo belongs myself and am of course no fan of Albanians, but from what I see in Serbian media I'm sorry to say that the issue has turned into a stock "retard conservative" talking point just like the 1991 War of Independence or abortion have been turned into in Croatia. Instead of focusing on actionable conservative issues (for example keeping Serbia out of EU and NATO, tremendous left-wing corruption, religious freedom, migrant invasion...) that could actually get them into power someday, all the "conservatives" just blindly latch onto Kosovo, turning off most of the population.

The fact is, Kosovo isn't coming back. It's a disaster for sure, it might be unfair and we can debate whether it was the population dynamics or the globalist NATO intervention or something else that sealed its fate, but it's gone. And the sooner Serbian conservatives accept that, the sooner Serbia will be able to recover from it.

Don't be like the Greek conservatives who spend most of their time obsessing over how Macedonia is called. Move on and save your country in ways that it can still be saved.

Post: #9

(11-05-2018 02:38 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  The fact is, Kosovo isn't coming back. It's a disaster for sure, it might be unfair and we can debate whether it was the population dynamics or the globalist NATO intervention or something else that sealed its fate, but it's gone. And the sooner Serbian conservatives accept that, the sooner Serbia will be able to recover from it.

Western part of Balkans under Ottoman rule (in years). Red lines outline the borders of Serbia and Montenegro in 1878, when both countries achieve full independence. The other territories were liberated in Balkan Wars and WWI (1912-1918).

My ancestors waited for over 450 years to liberate Kosovo, but I should give up after less then 20 years of NATO occupation?!

Post: #10

I agree with you, but look at it this way: the Ottomans did not manage to extinguish Serbia in 450 years of occupying/neighboring the country (one might argue if that was even their aim at all). EU/US/globalists, on the other hand, are quite clear about it and are currently well on track to do it in less than 100. It's an absolute disaster, same as with every other ex-Yugoslavia country.

Post: #11

Just curious, why were the globalists supporting Kosovo? Is it a shoe-in for (((them))) to rid the planet of woke Serbs or was it more to do with gaining an EE foothold against Russia back in the 90's?

Post: #12

(09-08-2018 12:32 PM)Sisyphus Wrote:  Austria and Luxembourg oppose the border swap while Belgium and Romania echo Bolton's sentiment that it's up to the two sides to work it out.

Yeah of course our FM Asselborn opposes it. He is not only a disgrace for Luxembourg, but a plain dumb person without education whatsoever.

(11-05-2018 04:14 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  Just curious, why were the globalists supporting Kosovo? Is it a shoe-in for (((them))) to rid the planet of woke Serbs or was it more to do with gaining an EE foothold against Russia back in the 90's?

Kosovo has some minerals which are very interesting for them + drug markets from Afghanistan go until Kosovo + foothold against Russia + organ market

Post: #13

(11-05-2018 04:14 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  Just curious, why were the globalists supporting Kosovo? Is it a shoe-in for (((them))) to rid the planet of woke Serbs or was it more to do with gaining an EE foothold against Russia back in the 90's?

Camp Bondsteel is the main reason. Base for the future war against Russia.

Post: #14

No one to blame but the Serbs. They got outbred.

HCE is correct, Kosovo is gone. It's not coming back.

Post: #15

I am concerned because I have the option to work (as An American law student) for Kosovo. I assume the goal will be basic research and drafting motions to have Kosovo be recognized.

I am deeply conflicted and am considering rejecting the offer, because I perceive this as globalism at its worst. Would any of you have any recommendations for me? Are there any salvageable reasons for going...?

Post: #16

(11-05-2018 03:51 PM)Trumps Intern Wrote:  I am concerned because I have the option to work (as An American law student) for Kosovo. I assume the goal will be basic research and drafting motions to have Kosovo be recognized.

I am deeply conflicted and am considering rejecting the offer, because I perceive this as globalism at its worst. Would any of you have any recommendations for me? Are there any salvageable reasons for going...?

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This is a photo of Albanian KLA "liberators" with the heads of Serbian POWs made in the April of '99 during NATO aggression. They were under direct command of the current Prime Minister of Kosovo, Ramus Haradinaj. The boy on the right (who is actually the son of the brave Shqiptar in the middle) is now a lieutenant in the Kosovo Security Forces.

This is the type of people you will be dealing with on Kosovo, and that your government supports. Drug dealers, war criminals, illegal human organ traffickers (harvested mostly from Serbian civilians of course).

Disclaimer: I'm a Serb living in Serbia so do your own research in case you think I'm biased.

Post: #17

I rejected the offer after your post. This, plus other evidence I have based on researching the history of this conflict, make me realize that I cannot take this job without committing a horrible sin.

Post: #18

http://www.unz.com/tsaker/kosovo-will-be-liberated/

Maybe this article will interest readers.