Post: #1

After reading Roosh's book I knew that something had to change with my body. I had no obesitas but 15gk had to be cut. I weighed 100kg and now 85kg. I have achieved this in like 4 months with fanatic sports and a strict diet. So no soda or sugar in my coffee at all. I also more or less stopped alcohol (sometimes outliers) but I use supplements for the rest. The last month a lot of supplements, preworkout, post workout, bcaa, amino and zinc, vitamin c, magenisum, vitamin d. I even started now with a personal trainer who is going to help me explode. I always try to do a very hard work out. I sleep well and I have an office job with many responsibilities. Since about 10 days I feel very hunted, blurry; confusing aggressive, listless, not wanting to work while I have a lot to do. Anyway, I suspect that this is due to my new lifestyle. I only eat healthy meals and no snacks. Since 2 days I am grabbing sugar again and I feel better. Even when I skip breakfast, I feel much better. Anyway, what can this be? Do I have to continue with a healthy life or not? I'm going to the doctor on Monday.

Post: #2

Try cutting out you Pre-Workout, or drastically reducing it. You were probably recommended something very strong with Taurine & Caffeine inside. They've been known to make some peeps very very jittery.

If your issue persist, then you might have a reaction to a newly introduced element in your diet. Keep track religiously of when these feelings occur, and what you ate just before feeling woozy. Your culprit might then be that.

Post: #3

Thanks for your reply. It can indeed be the preworkout. I also drink a lot of strong coffee. Could it be that some time has to pass before I am the '' old one'' again?
My usual diet is vegetables, meat / chicken rice / pasta, cottage cheese, proteinshake.

Post: #4

Yeah first try stopping the preworkout (get a stimulant free one, no caffeine, l-tyrosine, yohimbine, etc) and the coffee which makes many jittery.

Post: #5

This is just a hunch, what’s your probiotic situation like? If your diet has been radically cleaned up in the last few months there could be a mutiny in your gut - starving candida/yeast could be causing inflammation. It’s in line with the symptoms you’re describing, coupled with the sugar cravings. That sugar subdued your symptoms is another hint.

Try to incorporate more yoghurt/kefir/kombucha/lacto-fermented vegetables (like sauerkraut or kim chi) into your diet and see how you feel. A probiotic supplement could be used to kickstart the ‘terraforming’.

As the gentlemen above pointed out, supplements could be to blame. Now that your body is running at higher efficiency you’re more sensitive to things that effect it.

Post: #6

You may be in ketosis. Definitely cut out caffeine.

Post: #7

(02-16-2019 10:16 AM)ThriceLazarus Wrote:  This is just a hunch, what’s your probiotic situation like? If your diet has been radically cleaned up in the last few months there could be a mutiny in your gut - starving candida/yeast could be causing inflammation. It’s in line with the symptoms you’re describing, coupled with the sugar cravings. That sugar subdued your symptoms is another hint.

Try to incorporate more yoghurt/kefir/kombucha/lacto-fermented vegetables (like sauerkraut or kim chi) into your diet and see how you feel. A probiotic supplement could be used to kickstart the ‘terraforming’.

As the gentlemen above pointed out, supplements could be to blame. Now that your body is running at higher efficiency you’re more sensitive to things that effect it.

It is true that occasionally I hear my bowel grumbling as if there are gases in it.

Could you recommend me any probiotic supplement?

I will definitely stop with my preworkout and try to reduce coffee which i still drink a lot.

Post: #8

It may be overtraining. If you went from little activity to challenging workouts over the past 4 months, the physical fatigue accumulates and leads to low motivation even depression and a decline in strength/stamina. Try taking a week off. Even pro athletes need to take breaks like this.

Post: #9

@Drax

Anything with Lactobacillus Reuteri is rock solid. That may be the most important probiotic - it’s the only one unique to human breast milk. If you’ve ever had a course of antibiotics (or if you were never breast fed) that colony is long-gone. Plenty of them online, doesn’t really matter which one, just be consistent in your dosing.

Nothing beats adding them in to your diet though, best practice is to make them daily staples. Especially if you make your own, may make a thread on that soon.

@GoodTimer

Good catch - exercise induced testosterone decline is definitely a thing. Upping your zinc intake can protect against that if you’re not already supplementing it.

Post: #10

Low caloric intake + exercise = catabolism, high stress hormones (cortisol, etc).

Figure out exactly what you are eating in terms of calories right now. Get a notebook and write down everything you eat, day by day. Post it in here if you want, at the very least plug it into myfitnesspal and find out the calories and macro breakdown.

Four months is plenty long enough for a diet. At the end of every diet is a maintenance period. Use any online calculator to find what your maintenance caloric intake is and stay there for a while (two weeks at least). You can still "eat healthy", just eat more of the same (go heavy on the chicken, fish, and beef). You'll likely bounce back a few pounds but this is nothing to worry about.

If you wish to keep losing weight, then eat at maintenance for the two weeks (or perhaps a month, but walk into this with a plan or you will undo all your hard work) and then go right back to the diet.

It is also likely you are not eating enough protein. You've lost weight at a rate of 2 pounds per week for nearly four months straight. That's an impressive amount of weight lost but without enough protein intake muscle loss occurs, in all likelihood that's what's causing your anxiety.

Other than that, yeah, cut the stimulants or limit it to one or two days per week. Probiotics and "fine-tuning" shit are kind of worthless right now since we have no idea what this guy is eating in terms of macros.

If you eat a calorie restricted low protein diet, your baseline anxiety will go up since your inner caveman is freaking out at having not brought home a kill while in the middle of a famine. If you change your diet the only thing that will allow you to adjust is to keep eating your diet. It can take six months, longer if it's high in fiber (i.e: high-FODMAP). There's no real shortcuts with gut flora other than avoiding antibiotics at all cost.

Post: #11

@Goodtimer: interesting catch. Might be that as well since i used preworkout before and didnt had problems with it. I need to consult a sport doctor for sure. Protip: dont try your max to reach your goals in a short period.

Post: #12

The doctor suspects an anxiety disorder. I have also spoken with a number of personal trainers and they do not think it has anything to do with nutrition and training. Doctor has referred me to a psychologist. What do you think of this guys? Should i try it?

Post: #13

Most anxiety medication has terrible side effects (SSRI, antipsychotics) or is addictive to the point withdrawal can kill you (benzodiazipines.)

Seeing a psychiatrist can be a terrible mistake (one I have made personally.)

Try CBT first, buy "Feeling Good" by David Burns.

Post: #14

@godfather_dust: thanks. i have ordered the book right now. i will not agree with any kind of medication but therapy is a thing one could explore, i think. Sharing tips and experiences is appreciated

Post: #15

Yeah they can refer you to cognitive behavioral therapy, but I would avoid medication in general.

Post: #16

(02-18-2019 04:56 PM)Drax Wrote:  @godfather_dust: thanks. i have ordered the book right now. i will not agree with any kind of medication but therapy is a thing one could explore, i think. Sharing tips and experiences is appreciated

Read this thread /thread-29332.html
It's about depression, but most anxiety and depression is a result of your thoughts, which you can learn to control.

Post: #17

General anxiety about everything or anxiety about diet and working out?

Nootropics (phenibut) and adapogentic herbs. Trust me.....

Post: #18

(02-19-2019 06:35 PM)BeardedMastodon Wrote:  General anxiety about everything or anxiety about diet and working out?

Nootropics (phenibut) and adapogentic herbs. Trust me.....

Phenibut is physically addictive. Bad long term solution (feels nice and reduces anxiety greatly for a day or so though.) As for the herbs, I've never felt a thing off any of those supplements.

Post: #19

I worked out like crazy last winter, and at the same time did a few water fasts, stressed about my finances and broke up repeatedly with a girl.

Then I crashed and just felt depressed, burnt out and unmotivated for months. There is such a thing as chronic fatigue, where your body is simply out of resources for a while. That's definitely what happened to me.

What helped was resting, eating well and taking zinc and tyrosine to help replenish the adrenal hormones. Lowering the stress would have helped too, if I could have found a way to do that. I had to ease a bit on my workouts too.

You can burn up your capability to push and motivate yourself, and then crash and be tired for half a year. It can even happen before you realise that you're at your limit.

Post: #20

(02-16-2019 07:47 AM)Drax Wrote:  Anyway, I suspect that this is due to my new lifestyle. I only eat healthy meals and no snacks. Since 2 days I am grabbing sugar again and I feel better. Even when I skip breakfast, I feel much better. Anyway, what can this be? Do I have to continue with a healthy life or not? I'm going to the doctor on Monday.

Your body wants a mixed diet that includes some carbs. It is probably time to work out what a "maintenance" diet looks like. Calories in, calories out. Work out your macros and don't try to do sustained ketosis forever. Also cut back on the stimulants because that's just straight anxiety fuel.

Decaf coffee exists. If you want to combine an optimized fitness lifestyle and substantial coffee consumption, you may have to set a limit on you intake like "Only decaf after lunch time."

If occasional sugar helps a lot, occasional sugar may be what you need. Start keeping bananas and apples around. Blurry/Confused sounds a lot like you're spending parts of your days with low blood sugar.

(02-18-2019 11:43 AM)Drax Wrote:  The doctor suspects an anxiety disorder. I have also spoken with a number of personal trainers and they do not think it has anything to do with nutrition and training. Doctor has referred me to a psychologist. What do you think of this guys? Should i try it?

It could be a lot of things, but your posts suggest the stims and the extended calorie deficit are lifestyle factors you can play with now. This is outside the scope of practice for most personal trainers.

If you want more targeted advice consider specialists in sports medicine and/or nutrition. A professional specializing in sports nutrition likely is the best bet to get sorted out quickly in a manner relevant to your interests (i.e. continue being a beast in the gym without feeling like shit).

Post: #21

(02-21-2019 11:41 AM)BBinger Wrote:  

(02-16-2019 07:47 AM)Drax Wrote:  Anyway, I suspect that this is due to my new lifestyle. I only eat healthy meals and no snacks. Since 2 days I am grabbing sugar again and I feel better. Even when I skip breakfast, I feel much better. Anyway, what can this be? Do I have to continue with a healthy life or not? I'm going to the doctor on Monday.

Your body wants a mixed diet that includes some carbs. It is probably time to work out what a "maintenance" diet looks like. Calories in, calories out. Work out your macros and don't try to do sustained ketosis forever. Also cut back on the stimulants because that's just straight anxiety fuel.

Decaf coffee exists. If you want to combine an optimized fitness lifestyle and substantial coffee consumption, you may have to set a limit on you intake like "Only decaf after lunch time."

If occasional sugar helps a lot, occasional sugar may be what you need. Start keeping bananas and apples around. Blurry/Confused sounds a lot like you're spending parts of your days with low blood sugar.

(02-18-2019 11:43 AM)Drax Wrote:  The doctor suspects an anxiety disorder. I have also spoken with a number of personal trainers and they do not think it has anything to do with nutrition and training. Doctor has referred me to a psychologist. What do you think of this guys? Should i try it?

It could be a lot of things, but your posts suggest the stims and the extended calorie deficit are lifestyle factors you can play with now. This is outside the scope of practice for most personal trainers.

If you want more targeted advice consider specialists in sports medicine and/or nutrition. A professional specializing in sports nutrition likely is the best bet to get sorted out quickly in a manner relevant to your interests (i.e. continue being a beast in the gym without feeling like shit).

To be honest, i feel now much better. I think it's more my work and life style. I have an appointment with psychologist soon. Perhaps I experience slight anxiety, but at the same time I realize that everyone experience this from time tot time It is difficult to diagnose. I often have problems with thoughts that continue to get lost and where I keep thinking. I would not describe myself as depressed. Perhaps it is also due to the fact that I do not have a girlfriend (or meeting girls in general)and I do not have many special social activities. Tho my game should be solid in a better work. Good job, good clothing style, look good, have an understand of game. Have even gone through a successful hair transplant. I now only want to lose 5% fat to bring about have an atheletic body.

Post: #22

Glad to hear you are feeling better. One problem with the general fashion of medicalizing everything, is normal stuff gets pathologized. Part of why things like actual anxiety disorders are difficult to diagnose is that anxiety, even some level of baseline anxiety... is normal and depends on circumstances. Even extreme anxiety... is incredibly normal.