Post: #1

Ive been reading about alternatives to alcohol when going out and came onto the "legal drugs". Anybody have experience with them? I know some Herbs can give you a high like pot but are more expensive but at least youll pass any drug tests for work. Does anybody have any experiences with the Pills or know if the Pill form does any damage to kidneys or liver?

Post: #2

(03-02-2012 03:17 AM)defguy Wrote:  Ive been reading about alternatives to alcohol when going out and came onto the "legal drugs". Anybody have experience with them? I know some Herbs can give you a high like pot but are more expensive but at least youll pass any drug tests for work. Does anybody have any experiences with the Pills or know if the Pill form does any damage to kidneys or liver?

I'm partying right now. Both of you better watch your pie holes.

Aloha!

Post: #3

Legal highs tend to be more dangerous. Using mephedrone as an example: it was sold as plant fertiliser by shops. This chemical was not designed for human consumption and as a result fucks you up.

At least coke and ecstasy are designed to be taken by humans.

Post: #4

(03-02-2012 01:18 PM)dulst Wrote:  Legal highs tend to be more dangerous. Using mephedrone as an example: it was sold as plant fertiliser by shops. This chemical was not designed for human consumption and as a result fucks you up.

At least coke and ecstasy are designed to be taken by humans.

Keep in mind that mephedrone was labelled as plant fertiliser and had 'not for human consumption' written on packets as a legal loophole. Under British legislature it is illegal to sell as a drug. From what I've heard, most mephedrone bought on the internet came from big Chinese/Indian chemical plants who also supply many legal pharmaceutical sources. Most likely it was safer than street drugs.

defguy - If you're living in the UK or US it is likely that the good ones have been banned. A lot of the pep-pills that were floating around a few years ago (and mephedrone) packed a buzz, but it was always a speedy buzz. That sort of buzz is not conductive to chatting up women or interesting conversation. Be warned that the ones I have sampled that claim to be ecstacy-like have not come close. At best you get the physical buzz, but nothing else.

My advice would be to stick to the beer or go for street drugs. As noted, the good ones were banned and shipping 'legal-highs' from overseas into the country may get you grief at customs and work out more expensive than buying coke/MDMA.

Post: #5

Thanks for the advice. I can see why people refuse to switch to the legal stuff from pot, there really is no substitute for alcohol or illegal drugs...

Post: #6

Also - MDMA when not taken frequently is AWESOME.

Post: #7

Ask your stronger friend to give his best punch on your face . This drugs is named ADRENALINE , you will be good for 2 hours .

Post: #8

(03-02-2012 01:54 PM)dulst Wrote:  Also - MDMA when not taken frequently is AWESOME.

This.it really is a great drug

Post: #9

(03-02-2012 07:07 PM)alecks Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 01:54 PM)dulst Wrote:  Also - MDMA when not taken frequently is AWESOME.

This.it really is a great drug

MDMA is one of the few "hard" (read: not weed) drugs, that I would take. The only real side effects come from actions while on the drug and it is easily correctable by drinking tons of water. Acid is another drug I would consider trying, allthough the bad trip scares the shit out of me. The effective dose vs lethal dose of both drugs are so spread compared to alcohol


I took a upperclass chem/psych class on drugs and behaviour and it was mindblowing. I don't believe in the legalization of all drugs because a lot of the effects of some drugs hurt the general population, but I really wish drugs, especially the chemical ones, are opened back up for scientific research

Post: #10

MDMA is great, i told my parents they should try it atleast once, havent done it in years... dunno if i would ever do it again.

But honestly i think everyone shoudl try it atleast once

Post: #11

(03-02-2012 08:48 PM)canucktraveller Wrote:  I don't believe in the legalization of all drugs because a lot of the effects of some drugs hurt the general population, but I really wish drugs, especially the chemical ones, are opened back up for scientific research

Drugs being illegal hurt much more of the general population than if they were legal. People who do drugs would do them legal or not. Drugs are easily accessible. In highschool it was much easier for me to score herb than alcohol even though herb is illegal. Look at Amersterdam, even though weed is legal (actually only tollerated, but most people don't know that and it basically is legal), still Amsterdam has far less smokers than the US.

Now think of all the crazy shit going on in Mexico with the drug cartells. If we legalized all drugs, the cartells would no longer be shipping drugs to the US (Though I'm sure they'd find something else to kill eachother over). Even in the US, people wouldn't be killing eachother for drug territory. If people wanna get high, they'll get high, legal or not. It's no like people sit there and think, "You know what, I'm not gonna smoke crack because it's illegal." No, people sit there and think, "I'm not gonna smoke crack because I don't wanna be a crack head and ruin my life." Catch my drift?

Post: #12

Just gonna drop this in before this thread turns into a legalisation debate. MDMA does have long term permanent effects, don't take it more than a few times a year.

Post: #13

(03-02-2012 01:18 PM)dulst Wrote:  Legal highs tend to be more dangerous. Using mephedrone as an example: it was sold as plant fertiliser by shops. This chemical was not designed for human consumption and as a result fucks you up.

You're wrong here as mephedrone was indeed designed for human consumption. Just looking on its chemical formula makes it obvious it was. And use the common sense: have you ever seen another plant fertilizer which is sold for $100 for 5 grams? Any real plant fertilizers I see in Home Depot are sold by pounds, and cost fraction of that price.

However you're right saying they are tend to be more dangerous, because it was developed very recently and the number of people using them was very small (compare it, for example, with the history of coke or even meth usage, I'm not even talking about pot). Those have been used by thousands of people for a lot of years, so their long-term effects are at least well-known by the medical community.

The first most important concern is overdose/lethal dose. It is well-know, for example, that there is no achievable lethal dose for pot, and lethal doses of common drugs are well-known. But with a new chemical? Not so. And if you somehow overdose? You go/get carried into ER, tell the doctors what you took, and they have no idea what to do with that. Coke overdoses, they seen them quite a lot and they know what to do. But if you inhale some crap they never even heard about?

The second important concern is a long-term damage. The studies seem to be pretty clear there is no such damage from pot. Stimulants are less clear, there is still a discussion whether the damage is the result of drug use or the lifestyle associated to it. But at least there were some studies. With a new chemicals? You never know.

In short, avoid "legal highs" unless you want to be a testing monkey for a new drug - and if you do, you better sign up for testing some new pill, you'll at least make some money.

Post: #14

(03-04-2012 11:22 AM)dulst Wrote:  MDMA does have long term permanent effects, don't take it more than a few times a year.

Do you have a link to an actual study?

Post: #15

(03-03-2012 05:01 AM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  Drugs being illegal hurt much more of the general population than if they were legal. People who do drugs would do them legal or not. Drugs are easily accessible. In highschool it was much easier for me to score herb than alcohol even though herb is illegal. Look at Amersterdam, even though weed is legal (actually only tollerated, but most people don't know that and it basically is legal), still Amsterdam has far less smokers than the US.

Like you said weed is very much illegal in Amsterdam, it is just tolerated. It is very similar in Vancouver right now. I have no idea why the % of smokers is so low in Holland, but the country is not comparable to the US. There is also a big difference between weed and heroin or meth, which is why I mentioned "hard" drugs.

Quote:Now think of all the crazy shit going on in Mexico with the drug cartells. If we legalized all drugs, the cartells would no longer be shipping drugs to the US (Though I'm sure they'd find something else to kill each other over). Even in the US, people wouldn't be killing eachother for drug territory.

I really don't like the drug cartel argument, if drugs are legalized these guys are not going to move back into the city and apply to Mcdonalds. They are going to switch to trafficking humans like in EE, or start taking control of the natural resources like in Central Africa. Criminals will always find ways to make money illegally. The same can be said for US gangs.

Quote:If people wanna get high, they'll get high, legal or not. It's no like people sit there and think, "You know what, I'm not gonna smoke crack because it's illegal." No, people sit there and think, "I'm not gonna smoke crack because I don't wanna be a crack head and ruin my life." Catch my drift?

I strongly disagree... a certain population will get high whether it is legal or not and most of that population, regardless of the price of the drug, will struggle to afford to get the next high. Those people will most likely be at the bottom of society regardless, its the rest of the population that is a concern.

Unfortunately North Americans are so influenced by the media that they don't make conscious decisions on their own. Most educated people agree that tobacco and alcohol are poisons that are worse for you than many illegal drugs, but because it is legal and millions of dollars are spent on marketing, the average person has no problem indulging. The same can be said for the fast food that is slowing killing the US.

If big corporations decide it is profitable to sell crack, meth, heroin or any other heavy drug it will sell and that is a big problem

Post: #16

(03-05-2012 12:53 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-04-2012 11:22 AM)dulst Wrote:  MDMA does have long term permanent effects, don't take it more than a few times a year.

Do you have a link to an actual study?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4315305.stm

There's little evidence but I'd still err on the side of caution. Similar to how there are no studies linking weed to mental health problems, but smoking vast amounts every day is still a silly idea. Speaking anecdotally: everyone here seems to know someone who took it too often and is now a complete mong.

Post: #17

(03-05-2012 04:31 PM)dulst Wrote:  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4315305.stm

Did you actually read the article? From what I see it says that some people with certain genes in certain combination are likely to be more affected by extasy and likely to use more drug.

Quote:There's little evidence but I'd still err on the side of caution. Similar to how there are no studies linking weed to mental health problems, but smoking vast amounts every day is still a silly idea.

Smoking weed every day is as stupid (but indeed less harmful) as getting drunk every day. However this isn't a point, you can kill yourself with regular salt or even water if you take too much of it. This is why the research is important. Considering the number of people smoking weed, it looks pretty safe. With research chemicals, however, it is very different.

So I'd agree with "don't get high". But if you still do, you will likely be safer with time-tested illegal high than some new chemical very few people took.

Post: #18

(03-06-2012 12:07 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-05-2012 04:31 PM)dulst Wrote:  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4315305.stm

Did you actually read the article? From what I see it says that some people with certain genes in certain combination are likely to be more affected by extasy and likely to use more drug.

Quote:There's little evidence but I'd still err on the side of caution. Similar to how there are no studies linking weed to mental health problems, but smoking vast amounts every day is still a silly idea.

Smoking weed every day is as stupid (but indeed less harmful) as getting drunk every day. However this isn't a point, you can kill yourself with regular salt or even water if you take too much of it. This is why the research is important. Considering the number of people smoking weed, it looks pretty safe. With research chemicals, however, it is very different.

So I'd agree with "don't get high". But if you still do, you will likely be safer with time-tested illegal high than some new chemical very few people took.

There is also the question of purity with some drugs. The last gram of MDMA I got was cut with paracetamol. You could taste it. Obviously this is harmless but it makes me wary of what else they could cut with it.

Post: #19

I agree with the comments about the dangers of new drugs. And even with well known drugs, be damned sure you find a good supplier and aren't getting shit that has been heavily stomped with who knows what. And while I don't know of a smooth way of finding out, it helps to know what drugs the girl is taking - in places like NYC, many of the women are on anti-depressants (great job, feminism!). Let's just say that a girl who passes out in your place from a bad drug interaction is going to scare the shit out of you and your mind will race (really race depending on what you took) through the possibilities of how this could end badly for you. Don't ask me how I know.

Post: #20

(03-06-2012 11:19 PM)dulst Wrote:  There is also the question of purity with some drugs. The last gram of MDMA I got was cut with paracetamol. You could taste it. Obviously this is harmless but it makes me wary of what else they could cut with it.

Yeah, that's one of the best arguments for "make it legal and regulated".