Post: #1

Article from Dead Spin entitled "Women Throw Themselves at Pro Athletes"

Quote:An attractive married woman—she had a huge rock on her finger—came over and started hitting on my client immediately and relentlessly. After a while, her husband came out from the dance club area, clearly upset. He never threatened anything physical. He barely even raised his voice. He just wanted to know what she was doing. His wife played dumb. So my client spoke up: "Your girl is trying to fuck me."

The husband got into it a little with his wife. He wanted to leave. My client called over one of the bouncers and told him to get rid of the couple. The wife decided to stay. The husband got booted. He was irate. She didn't care. Five minutes later, my client was having sex with her in the back office of the club. She left, and he never talked to her again. Obviously, we have no idea what happened with the marriage.

More:

http://deadspin.com/5914355/how-women-th...t-explains

Post: #2

Great article, despite the text-speak subject line of the thread.

It kills me how hard I have to work for a crumb of that loaf.

Post: #3

America: Winner takes it all.

Post: #4

(06-09-2012 11:06 AM)Norset Wrote:  America: Winner takes it all.

For now. A system that generates a few winners and hordes of losers cannot possibly be sustainable. Once people realize that they're supporting a system that does not benefit them, things change.

Post: #5

(06-09-2012 11:09 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

(06-09-2012 11:06 AM)Norset Wrote:  America: Winner takes it all.

For now. A system that generates a few winners and hordes of losers cannot possibly be sustainable. Once people realize that they're supporting a system that does not benefit them, things change.

The hitch is that everyone is fooled by the bullshit the media feeds you. Not to mention being addicted to the internet, video games, and high-fructose corn syrup.

It may take a while for them to realize.

Post: #6

The great majority of athletes, musicians and actors (arguably the crowds that gets the most non-gold digger groupies, fame > all in USA) depend on the masses for their coin and popularity, without bringing anything culturally significant to the table (who will remember todays popular music in a 100 years?), or enriching others in the process. It's an evolutionary bug. It also produces hordes of guys who tried to be actor/athlete/musician, and maybe had some golden years of poon before they were stuck at 25 in a studio apartment on the wrong side of the tracks with heavily impaired future prospects.

I grew up in Europe, and the dynamic really isn't like that there to the same extent - Sure famous guys get their share, but it seems that women grow out of the groupie mentality when they are 18, and have the self insight to realize that a) they can never keep these guys b) the famous man will laugh at them behind (and even in front) of their backs c) depression will come after the sex d) greater-beta types will shun them for life if they get to know one such story.

Impulse control.

Post: #7

(06-09-2012 10:05 AM)HiFlo Wrote:  Article from Dead Spin entitled "Women Throw Themselves at Pro Athletes"

Quote:An attractive married woman—she had a huge rock on her finger—came over and started hitting on my client immediately and relentlessly. After a while, her husband came out from the dance club area, clearly upset. He never threatened anything physical. He barely even raised his voice. He just wanted to know what she was doing. His wife played dumb. So my client spoke up: "Your girl is trying to fuck me."

The husband got into it a little with his wife. He wanted to leave. My client called over one of the bouncers and told him to get rid of the couple. The wife decided to stay. The husband got booted. He was irate. She didn't care. Five minutes later, my client was having sex with her in the back office of the club. She left, and he never talked to her again. Obviously, we have no idea what happened with the marriage.

More:

http://deadspin.com/5914355/how-women-th...t-explains

File this under the category more reasons never to get married.

It's not just America either. I've seen this behaviour in a handful of Western countries.

As mentioned it might take a while, but the pendulum back swing isn't going to be pretty.

Post: #8

What happened to that dude who posted a thread about his girl giving her number to ball players? Anyone know how that turned out?

Post: #9

(06-09-2012 11:41 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  What happened to that dude who posted a thread about his girl giving her number to ball players? Anyone know how that turned out?

Good point.

I went back about 10 pages but couldn't find it.

After reading this, I wonder if by "giving him her #" she meant "he took me back into the office and shagged me rotten."

Post: #10

I think LL Cool J wrote in a book many years ago that he fucked a PREGNANT groupie backstage at a show. And HE was married at the time. These chicks are willing to go to great lengths to get famous dick. They'll even humiliate their husbands and risk their marriages. She'll walk with something anyway, even though she was unfaithful, and will find another chump as long as she's decent looking.

Post: #11

It's really hard to trump fame. Money, looks, game, power, etc. all seem to take a back seat. I've seen how fame works first hand, several examples:

1. College basketball players. When I was in college, very well known player who is now in the NBA was at a frat party I was at. He got bored and said he's going home as I was standing next to him. He literally said "Any girls want to come with me?" Two girls jumped at the chance, he put his arms around them, and jumped over the patio with them.

2. My friend works at a well-known sports agency. He is not the agent, but the agent's second-hand guy that takes care of all the athletes, takes them around and out, etc. So he's developed good friendships with a lot of them. A few NBA guys came to his bachelor party in Vegas, and it was ridiculous how girls just threw themselves at them. We had a cabana for a pool party and girls nonstop in our cabana topless. And these guys were not even that famous.

3. Ironically, player in story #1 became good friends with my friend in #2 through the agency. So now in the NBA, he actually was an usher at my friend's wedding, taking girls into their seats. The girls were completely blush and basically like "Oh my!" And these girls were married, had bfs, etc. Nothing happened, but you can tell they were excited at this.

4. This girl I went out with a few times was a legit model (sadly never banged her). She was telling me how her one model friend is a starfucker. We were watching the NBA playoffs and she couldn't remember the name of the player her friend just banged recently. Finally she goes..."Lebron something? He's a real slut I know several girls that slept with him."

5. Roughly 10 years ago, my ex told me a story about how her friend left a party after meeting K-C and JoJo and going back with them and fucking them both.

6. The girl who cuts my hair openly talks about her banging famous DJs. She said she would give anything to bang some other NBA stars like Russel Westbrook. And she's an attractive 24yo girl.

Even on a microlevel, fame is powerful. I've never been on TV or anything else that has gotten me any attention. The closest I ever came was back in 06, where I won a beerbong tournament at a party. For hours afterwards, girls would come up to me and say how impressive I was at beerbonging if you can believe it. I ended up banging one of the girls. Something so small on that level even worked. Examples like this abound. I think Gmac mentioned on his blog or somewhere that he recently banged a groupie. When people travel to unpopular cities, where they are the novelty, there is an aura of exoticness that may transcend a bit into the realm of fame. Hell, even serial killers get girls who heard of them and want to bang them.

I'm pretty sure Justin Timberlake can just go walk down a street at night and have his choice of who to bang. Even some D-list celebrity gets recognized and can pull. In college I saw Matthew Lawrence who came to party with us at times get approached like crazy. A girl stopped me once because she thought I was on So You Think You Can Dance.

I would love it if I could just sit there and be approached by girls in both quantity and quality. I think about that often, and if there are ways to manufacture this.

Post: #12

One of my best friends is a pro surfer, which pays no where near the money other professional athlete's make. You also don't get recognized nearly as much except by the people that follow it.

He and I were in Vegas gambling one night. We meet some girls at a casino bar, and I get blown out, but he takes one over to a blackjack table and starts playing.

I was at the table directly across and started talking to the other guys playing. Under the table I can see that the my friend met has his dick out and is semi-jerking him.

This other guy sits down and we point this out to him. He gets red and says "that's my wife" and goes over and grabs her by the arm and runs out.

There you go.

Aloha!

Post: #13

Yo but the girls who throw themselves at fame probably aren{t worth anything besides their looks no? For ltrs or whatever

Post: #14

(06-09-2012 02:19 PM)Riker Wrote:  Yo but the girls who throw themselves at fame probably aren{t worth anything besides their looks no? For ltrs or whatever

Yes, but is it something you can really screen for?

Better to just not get deeply involved/invested with Western/American girls.

Though maybe some aspiring biz whiz can recruit some declining pro athletes/famous stars and have dudes pay them to see if their GF/fiances "take the bait" so to say.

Post: #15

(06-09-2012 04:24 PM)Pacesetter20 Wrote:  Though maybe some aspiring biz whiz can recruit some declining pro athletes/famous stars and have dudes pay them to see if their GF/fiances "take the bait" so to say.

They do that in Japan already.

Post: #16

(06-09-2012 11:09 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

(06-09-2012 11:06 AM)Norset Wrote:  America: Winner takes it all.

For now. A system that generates a few winners and hordes of losers cannot possibly be sustainable. Once people realize that they're supporting a system that does not benefit them, things change.

(06-09-2012 11:32 AM)Norset Wrote:  The great majority of athletes, musicians and actors (arguably the crowds that gets the most non-gold digger groupies, fame > all in USA) depend on the masses for their coin and popularity, without bringing anything culturally significant to the table (who will remember todays popular music in a 100 years?), or enriching others in the process. It's an evolutionary bug. It also produces hordes of guys who tried to be actor/athlete/musician, and maybe had some golden years of poon before they were stuck at 25 in a studio apartment on the wrong side of the tracks with heavily impaired future prospects.

I grew up in Europe, and the dynamic really isn't like that there to the same extent - Sure famous guys get their share, but it seems that women grow out of the groupie mentality when they are 18, and have the self insight to realize that a) they can never keep these guys b) the famous man will laugh at them behind (and even in front) of their backs c) depression will come after the sex d) greater-beta types will shun them for life if they get to know one such story.

Impulse control.

Both of these comments are wrong.

Not only are there texts and documents from cultures all over the world of famous men banging hordes of women, but females preference for famous men is still observable in every culture today.

The idea that European women are somehow different is laughable. All women are hypergamous.


Women fucking famous men at the drop of a hat will not change in our lifetimes, that's for damn sure.

Will the men rise up and revolt? Against who? Against what? Basic human nature? I can't see this ever changing.

Quote:Yo but the girls who throw themselves at fame probably aren{t worth anything besides their looks no? For ltrs or whatever

The girls who exhibit this kind of behavior includes all women. Every woman out there would die to meet some kind of famous guy or another.

Just like every man would like to bang a supermodel. It's the same thing.


The only way to prevent your woman from fucking a man more attractive than you, which is what a famous man is, is to make sure she's so in love with you she has the fear of God that you would leave her should she cheat.

Post: #17

(06-09-2012 05:17 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Not only are there texts and documents from cultures all over the world of famous men banging hordes of women, but females preference for famous men is still observable in every culture today. (...) Women fucking famous men at the drop of a hat will not change in our lifetimes, that's for damn sure. Will the men rise up and revolt? Against who? Against what? Basic human nature? I can't see this ever changing.

You missed the point. Of course all women are hypergamous liars. The men who came before us knew that and they warned us (e.g. the allegories in the Bible). Religion served for a long time to control humans' worst instincts. But the promise of eternal punishment after death no longer works.

What does work? Well, physical and psychological violence do work. Shaming and ostracizing cheaters also works. If all fails, public stoning would do the trick. It all boils down to two questions: a) what is the collective goal?, b) what cost is the collective willing to pay to attain the goal?

Even an emperor with a huge harem is in danger. Better keep his praetorian guard well-fed, well-paid, and with regular access to pussy. If not, the praetorian guard can easily kill the emperor and find a new, more generous one.

Why do men accept being used as pawns? Do not reward bad behavior. Do not marry left-overs. Once the pool of single cat ladies reaches critical mass, their younger sisters will start changing their habits and power will swing back to men. Of course, from a game-theoretic viewpoint, a bunch of sex-starved betas boycotting has-been hotties approaching the wall is not very likely. But no one is talking about boycotts. I am talking about getting what one wants, sex, without yielding anything to the enemy. Men these days are mostly fools, showing up at the battlefield without an armor or sword, oblivious to the fact that there is a war going on.

Post: #18

(06-09-2012 05:17 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Women fucking famous men at the drop of a hat will not change in our lifetimes, that's for damn sure.

Will the men rise up and revolt? Against who? Against what? Basic human nature? I can't see this ever changing.




The girls who exhibit this kind of behavior includes all women. Every woman out there would die to meet some kind of famous guy or another.

Just like every man would like to bang a supermodel. It's the same thing.

I agree to an extent, but western culture (ESP American "culture") really worships celebrities, that's why douches like Mike "The Situation" can make millions and pull groupie chicks with no problem.

Shit, I even remember watching some lame MTV real world's "after show" where they sat down and interviewed the cast members on their lives after the show aired. Some douchey guy on the show who wasn't particularly cool or handsome was saying how girls would approach him at bars and how easy it was for him to get laid.

I really don't see this phenomenon playing out in most countries in the world. Using Jersey Shore as an example, when they filmed in Italy for a season, none of the guys pulled any local Italian chicks, simply because there fame didn't translate over there. Now I'm sure there are a handful of famous Italian soccer players, actor, or musicians who kill it off their fame, but I doubt their culture idolizes and worships celebrities like they do here in the U.S.

Post: #19

(06-09-2012 05:38 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

(06-09-2012 05:17 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Not only are there texts and documents from cultures all over the world of famous men banging hordes of women, but females preference for famous men is still observable in every culture today. (...) Women fucking famous men at the drop of a hat will not change in our lifetimes, that's for damn sure. Will the men rise up and revolt? Against who? Against what? Basic human nature? I can't see this ever changing.

You missed the point. Of course all women are hypergamous liars. The men who came before us knew that and they warned us (e.g. the allegories in the Bible). Religion served for a long time to control humans' worst instincts. But the promise of eternal punishment after death no longer works.

What does work? Well, physical and psychological violence do work. Shaming and ostracizing cheaters also works. If all fails, public stoning would do the trick. It all boils down to two questions: a) what is the collective goal?, b) what cost is the collective willing to pay to attain the goal?

Even in the most religious of times, the famous men would bang tons of different women left and right. Popes, kings, bishops, lords, knights, etc. - go read some more history, you'd be shocked to learn about how many high ranking officials (such as the pope) had illegitimate children.


The more things change, the more the stay the same.

Quote:I agree to an extent, but western culture (ESP American "culture") really worships celebrities, that's why douches like Mike "The Situation" can make millions and pull groupie chicks with no problem.

All cultures have celebrities, but they vary from culture to culture. It's pretty random.

This guy:



Was banging tons of hot, young, university aged women back in the 1920's, 30's, and 40's. Why? Because he was a famous philosopher, and philosophers are celebrities in France.

No one cares about them in America, or India, but in France they are huge. I can't remember the recent French philosopher who died but he had something like over 100,000 attend his funeral. I'm sure he had more sex than you could imagine as well.


In Italy, it might not be Jersey shore that gets you mad pussy, but being a famous sculpture probably does.

In China, working for the Party probably goes a long way towards having women throw themselves at you.

No one cares about Bollywood in the USA - but in India, I'm sure even the "virgins" who are holding out for marriage will fuck a bollywood star.

In Peru, it's probably some local farmer who holds annual festivals on his property that bangs the local talent non-stop.

In Korea, being a top Starcraft 2 player gets you mad pussy.


You get the idea. Fame occurs everywhere randomly.

Post: #20

I don't think anyone here is saying that women would not like a night with these guys, that's why I referred to "Impulse control". Either by the woman herself or enforced through the rest of society (which is about 1000 times more efficient).

So my point was a) that the average American girl has horrible impulse control, and that it's slightly better in Europe on average, and b) this stems from remnants of social shaming. Part of this is related to people not moving around so much. If you stay in your home town or close to it your whole life, hanging out with your friends from middle school throughout your adulthood, throwing yourself at celebs you meet randomly is not the best life plan. OF COURSE this still happens, but the tendency is less.

I'll try to explain my reasoning better in any future posts I make.

EDIT:
In response to Icarus' examples.. it's the "famous for being famous" aka "Tucker Max fame" that is rather unique to modern American society. The other example of fame either relate mostly to power (pope, philosopher, party official) or skill (starcraft 2 player). I guess you can argue that being famous takes "the skill of selling yourself". Breeding with powerful men or men skillful in key areas is an evolutionary win, so it should not be constrained or else you end up with men without ambitions. But now I feel we are beating a dead horse that's been discussed to death here and other places.

Anyways, as always, status > all.

Post: #21

(06-09-2012 05:17 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(06-09-2012 11:09 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

(06-09-2012 11:06 AM)Norset Wrote:  America: Winner takes it all.

For now. A system that generates a few winners and hordes of losers cannot possibly be sustainable. Once people realize that they're supporting a system that does not benefit them, things change.

(06-09-2012 11:32 AM)Norset Wrote:  The great majority of athletes, musicians and actors (arguably the crowds that gets the most non-gold digger groupies, fame > all in USA) depend on the masses for their coin and popularity, without bringing anything culturally significant to the table (who will remember todays popular music in a 100 years?), or enriching others in the process. It's an evolutionary bug. It also produces hordes of guys who tried to be actor/athlete/musician, and maybe had some golden years of poon before they were stuck at 25 in a studio apartment on the wrong side of the tracks with heavily impaired future prospects.

I grew up in Europe, and the dynamic really isn't like that there to the same extent - Sure famous guys get their share, but it seems that women grow out of the groupie mentality when they are 18, and have the self insight to realize that a) they can never keep these guys b) the famous man will laugh at them behind (and even in front) of their backs c) depression will come after the sex d) greater-beta types will shun them for life if they get to know one such story.

Impulse control.

Both of these comments are wrong.

Not only are there texts and documents from cultures all over the world of famous men banging hordes of women, but females preference for famous men is still observable in every culture today.

The idea that European women are somehow different is laughable. All women are hypergamous.


Women fucking famous men at the drop of a hat will not change in our lifetimes, that's for damn sure.

Will the men rise up and revolt? Against who? Against what? Basic human nature? I can't see this ever changing.

Quote:Yo but the girls who throw themselves at fame probably aren{t worth anything besides their looks no? For ltrs or whatever

The girls who exhibit this kind of behavior includes all women. Every woman out there would die to meet some kind of famous guy or another.

Just like every man would like to bang a supermodel. It's the same thing.


The only way to prevent your woman from fucking a man more attractive than you, which is what a famous man is, is to make sure she's so in love with you she has the fear of God that you would leave her should she cheat.

Agree 100%. There's a lot of Western bashing here, god knows I'm on that train, but in this case I think it's global. How many scandals with foreign politicians do you need to read about to confirm this? It's unfortunate that in the age of rapid fire media these men are demonized to no end and the repurcussions are far more grave. The glory days of men with status aren't what they used to be, apparently. How many sports figures and politicians have had to pony up millions of dollars, and in some cases lose their position just because some pussy, sometimes literally, got thrown at them and they took the bait?

In my own field, it happens with chefs too. A friend of mine got his girl swooped by Eric Ripert, a famous (and good looking) chef. Jean Louis Palladin was notorious for his circles of girlfriends, and that dude was ugly as sin (though an amazing chef).

Post: #22

I wonder sometimes, what is the point of these self deprecating threads like this one where you remind yourself of how easy only a small fraction of the guys in America have it compared to the majority?

Yea theres a few dudes that look like models that can just walk in the room and get all the attention. Yea there are a few world class athletes that could pretty much fuck any woman in the world. Yea there are a few guys that have a little fame or status and can get first dibs on the baddest of chicks. So what tho?

Worry about yourself. Try to become famous or hit the gym and improve your looks if your lowkey jealous of how easy some guys have it.

Take some acting classes an become an actor. Take out a loan with an angel investor and open up a hip night club or start a successful business in your city and get some status.

Stop worrying about other guys and quit measuring they dicks and focus on improving yourself.

Post: #23

Yeah, I was at work in SoBe the other day, and some knock off basketball player was walking down the street. I didn't even know who is was and I follow basketball. He plays for the Warriors. Girls were throwing themselves at him.

Post: #24

(06-09-2012 09:53 PM)theIVth Wrote:  I wonder sometimes, what is the point of these self deprecating threads like this one where you remind yourself of how easy only a small fraction of the guys in America have it compared to the majority?

Yea theres a few dudes that look like models that can just walk in the room and get all the attention. Yea there are a few world class athletes that could pretty much fuck any woman in the world. Yea there are a few guys that have a little fame or status and can get first dibs on the baddest of chicks. So what tho?

Worry about yourself. Try to become famous or hit the gym and improve your looks if your lowkey jealous of how easy some guys have it.

Take some acting classes an become an actor. Take out a loan with an angel investor and open up a hip night club or start a successful business in your city and get some status.

Stop worrying about other guys and quit measuring they dicks and focus on improving yourself.

I think that's the healthy approach. Personally I wouldn't be worried about some celebrity swooping my girl. If she ditches me to get banged by him, good riddance. There's plenty to replace her.

One of my all time favorite quotes, let alone from a movie, is from Heat:

"A guy told me one time, 'Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner." Now, if you're on me and you gotta move when I move, how do you expect to keep a... a marriage?'"

I think this sums up game in a big way. Don't get attached. There are too many variables in todays world to trust any woman 100%. You can run tight game and maximize her attraction to you, hell if you REALLY do it right she's ALMOST guaranteed to commit herself to you, but nothing is 100% for sure.

It's been said here before: LTRs require game. These dude's wives and girlfriends MIGHT not have gone begging for some celebrity cock if his game was tighter, if her attraction to him was greater. There's no way we'll ever know.

I've had two girlfriends who would openly talk about their celebrity fuck list. That if Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, Bill Clinton (yeah, one of em went there), or Ryan Gosling approached these girls, they'd fuck em in a heartbeat. Does that make me paranoid? Hell no, and it just reaffirms my lack of conscience when a hot girl crosses my path and I go for the bang, LTR be damned. If a girl can justify it, so can I.

Post: #25

(06-09-2012 09:53 PM)theIVth Wrote:  I wonder sometimes, what is the point of these self deprecating threads like this one where you remind yourself of how easy only a small fraction of the guys in America have it compared to the majority?

Yea theres a few dudes that look like models that can just walk in the room and get all the attention. Yea there are a few world class athletes that could pretty much fuck any woman in the world. Yea there are a few guys that have a little fame or status and can get first dibs on the baddest of chicks. So what tho?

Worry about yourself. Try to become famous or hit the gym and improve your looks if your lowkey jealous of how easy some guys have it.

Take some acting classes an become an actor. Take out a loan with an angel investor and open up a hip night club or start a successful business in your city and get some status.

Stop worrying about other guys and quit measuring they dicks and focus on improving yourself.

Thank You. "Looks matter" "Status/money over game" threads are just pointless. Subtle trolling.