Post: #1

I'm thinking about working as a tourguide/manager in some hot country, I prefer South America or South East Asia.

The pay is horrible. Tour operators in Holland only pay 4 hours a day and it's minimum wage which is like 30 dollars total a day. You have to be on standby 24/7 so if someone has a problem you have to solve it. It is clear that i won't be bringing money back to Holland.

Anyone here have experience showing people around on tours abroad?

If I get a job in some poor country then 30 dollar a day would be ok because a private room and money for food is provided for. A lot of hustling is involved to get tips and free meals/drinks of course.

30 bucks + free room and drinks/food is a way bigger budget than i used to travel on.

It's clear to me, this work is quite hard and i won't be bringing home the big bucks.

Positives:
- Living in a country on the cheap. Decent food and housing for free.
- a tourguide is a DHV for anyone in the group since you are the group leader + you're scoring points with the locals.
- You get to know the people in the places you go including the chicks. a honey in every town ??
- lots of hustling
- good development of social skills
- building a network
- sightseeing is free and even paid for but will soon be boring of course.

Negatives
- It pays bad
- A lot of hustling in a negative way
- having to entertain the same people for 2 or 3 weeks, even if you don't like them
- problem solving : people getting sick,lost,drunk, robbed, in a accident etc etc
- It's hard to bang a girl in a group. Some beta dude has a crush on a girl and the tourguide swoops her = negative comment to the main company = losing your job ?
- guys will be beta and/old. I mean alphas don't do group tours, only scared and lazy people do that.

Any feedback and /or thoughts on this would be highly appreciated, even if you didn't do this kind of work.

Post: #2

Neil, I think you should aim higher. You have already accomplished something many haven't: wrote a book and got people to pay for it (I bought it, haven't started reading it yet except certain parts relevant to my upcoming travel). Build on that.

Post: #3

Neil, you are giving up too fast on the book. You should be promoting the hell out of it. Look at it this way, you have a product ready right now that can make you money. If you decide on being a travel guide, you really should continue the book promotions for extra cash.

Stuff like travel guides are great for the younger cats, the older we get the more we need to think about long term.

Post: #4

Two questions.
Are you just waiting to get some cash to bail from where you're at?

Have you looked into repping a Dutch company abroad? Maybe bringing a product you make there to whatever place you want to go?

Post: #5

(07-17-2012 12:19 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Two questions.
Are you just waiting to get some cash to bail from where you're at?

Have you looked into repping a Dutch company abroad? Maybe bringing a product you make there to whatever place you want to go?

Maybe we should set up a network for imports/exports. We already have guys in different countries.

Post: #6

(07-17-2012 12:28 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(07-17-2012 12:19 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Two questions.
Are you just waiting to get some cash to bail from where you're at?

Have you looked into repping a Dutch company abroad? Maybe bringing a product you make there to whatever place you want to go?

Maybe we should set up a network for imports/exports. We already have guys in different countries.

I've already got most of this figured out but the guys have to stop getting wasted every night and chasing tail the 12 hours they're awake.

Post: #7

Thanks for your confidence in the book but it's not something I can live of. I have Roosh as my competition and quite frankly the guy is a master on the subject. No way can I top that unless my book is gonna blow up with movie deals or something.

I always thought of the book as a one time thing and as a accomplishment for myself. I'm sure i'm gonna make some more money of it but I have no illusions of making a living out of it. I just don't have the writing skills for that.

The backpacker/travel market is enormous with millions of new people on the road every year but most will be white knighting betas and hate my guts for even writing a book like this.

It's possible that I write another one some day but I don't know where i should get the money from for a another big trip. And don't forget i'm already 35 now.
I have to work and make real money. I can of course keep promoting the book and make a nice side earning from it.

Next book : Around the world in 80 girls - The epic trip of a TOURGUIDING Casanova

I post more later, i have salsa lessons.

Post: #8

Roosh isn't competition, he is a possible partner in sales.

Post: #9

(07-17-2012 12:41 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  Roosh isn't competition, he is a possible partner in sales.

I agree, but I think what Neil means is that he can't or doesn't want to compete with Roosh in the game/travel writing niche that Roosh has carved out. I plan on buying and reading Neil's book eventually, so I don't know how it compares to Roosh's bang guides, but it's not like Neil is going to start posting up in foreign countries and writing bang guides the way Roosh is, not to say he couldn't, but he probably doesn't want to.

Post: #10

I hate to say it Neil but your hook is your little temper. If you wrote a book and had meltdowns all the time when traveling you could probably get a show deal.

Post: #11

(07-17-2012 01:02 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  I hate to say it Neil but your hook is your little temper. If you wrote a book and had meltdowns all the time when traveling you could probably get a show deal.

Nice! I think we should film Neil as a tour guide. Roosh can be a sponsor for the show. haha

Post: #12

Take a car repair course and go to work for el mechanico. You can be his temperamental European specialist, and he can bill you as the only one with the emotional makeup to repair Euro cars.

Post: #13

(07-17-2012 01:32 PM)Menace Wrote:  Take a car repair course and go to work for el mechanico. You can be his temperamental European specialist, and he can bill you as the only one with the emotional makeup to repair Euro cars.

That's not far off. I've been talking about scanning cars in other countries because many of them don't have the tools and becoming a rep for some of the chinese scan tools as well can make someone a good living. You also make money off the updates every 6 months when you sell one in most cases.

Post: #14

(07-17-2012 01:02 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  I hate to say it Neil but your hook is your little temper. If you wrote a book and had meltdowns all the time when traveling you could probably get a show deal.

Seriously. That's the schtick. "The short tempered Dutch tour guide." There's gotta be some serious material there.

Post: #15

"The short tempered tightwad Dutch tour guide." That's the schtick. He could hate on anyone with/spends money the entire show. Even his own clients.

Post: #16

If this is what you have in mind, the tour guide on my high school trip (9 days to Spain) banged two of the girls from my bus, and the rest were coming over to sit with him and drip their pussies in his lap because he knew how to play a guitar. He definitely got an enormous amount of attention.

A friend and me got an unsolicited offer to come to some teen girls' room and drink with them simply from pretending to be tour guides (complicated story). Anyways, it has a lot of potential.

Post: #17

(07-17-2012 12:41 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  Roosh isn't competition, he is a possible partner in sales.

That's up to him.

Post: #18

(07-17-2012 01:02 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  I hate to say it Neil but your hook is your little temper. If you wrote a book and had meltdowns all the time when traveling you could probably get a show deal.

Not sure what you mean by little temper. What's that ? I had a few meltdowns and dirty tricks in my book now. Especially with taxi drivers

I'm actually pretty psyched now about a idea I had just before I went to salsa.

My idea would be to do a few tours as a guide and to write short 150 page books about it. I could write a new one with every tour or country. Sell that shit on kindle/ebook for 4 bucks and cash in on a whole series. Use a lot of flowery prose and a book is easily filled.

I could write when I have off time from work. All I have to do is bang a chick on the tour and some local girls and write up on the drama happening around it. Chicks would love to read dramatic stuff like that.

I can use the same cover as I use now with a slightly altered text on it.
This would be a niche on its own and I wouldn't be in Rooshes area of expertise so we don't take money out of each others pocket.

Good idea or what ?

Post: #19

(07-17-2012 03:51 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(07-17-2012 01:02 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  I hate to say it Neil but your hook is your little temper. If you wrote a book and had meltdowns all the time when traveling you could probably get a show deal.

Not sure what you mean by little temper. What's that ? I had a few meltdowns and dirty tricks in my book now. Especially with taxi drivers

I'm actually pretty psyched now about a idea I had just before I went to salsa.

My idea would be to do a few tours as a guide and to write short 150 page books about it. I could write a new one with every tour or country. Sell that shit on kindle/ebook for 4 bucks and cash in on a whole series. Use a lot of flowery prose and a book is easily filled.

I could write when I have off time from work. All I have to do is bang a chick on the tour and some local girls and write up on the drama happening around it. Chicks would love to read dramatic stuff like that.

I can use the same cover as I use now with a slightly altered text on it.
This would be a niche on its own and I wouldn't be in Rooshes area of expertise so we don't take money out of each others pocket.

Good idea or what ?

Me personally? I'd rather read something in a similar vein to Hunter Thompson or Bukowski or Henry Miller. Fuck bitches and what they want. People want to read about you trying to smuggle drugs and being chased by a horde of angry women and being one foot out of jail, all while hungover and wearing some chick's underwear from the night before. I realize you do NOT want to actually do any of that shit, but you see where I'm going with it.

Post: #20

Read the Rum Diaries. I didn't see the movie so I don't know how faithful it is. Thompson's basically in Puerto Rico as a reporter but he manages to get himself involved with the craziest characters having the craziest time. Work this angle as a tour guide and you could have yourself a bestseller.

Post: #21

I think if promoted right you could make decent money damned near anywhere. I live in Cincinnati, OH, and tour guides charge $10-$15 per hour per person to walk groups of people around looking at 1930's Depression-era architecture.

Maybe you could work with some of the fellows in thegmanifesto's Biz Idea for The Younger Up and Comers thread.

Post: #22

Back in the old days I did a few tours with my old girlfriend because in the USA we only got 2-3 weeks for vacation and wanted to cover the most cities and sites in the shortest period of time.

Neil, I want to be clear about what you are talking about. Are you talking about taking Dutch tour groups to South America or SEA? Would you be flying down from Netherlands to these countries? If this is the case, then you need to consider how often you'll be back the same country in SEA. You have to go frequently and should be constantly doing the same route then you could build a harem of girls in different towns. If your company has you fly to Thailand once, then go to another country next and you only get back every 3 months you will lose some girls in between visits. 4 hours a day sounds low. I'm guessing you’re talking about picking up local tour guides to do the actual 4 to 8 hours of local tours the group usually goes on. You are right, you are always on call. Most of the men on the tours would be old and betas for sure. Most of the ladies would be old too. On the tours I did, there were usually only a few young people on any tour, I ever took. If you can actually get stationed in one country then, you'd have a lot of time with the locals.

Your best bet to if you want to get girls on the tour, is work for someone like Con-tiki or some British company that takes the college aged girls. This would be a total goldmine. These tours are 5 girls to every guy. You would definitely bang some of the girls. I don’t know if there any rules about the tour guide not banging the tour members, but you have to take your chances and if you got caught, you could be fired! Most girls will be quiet though or there may not be any rules about this. I did a grand tour of Europe when I was in college with a college tour group. I know one of the bus drivers banged a good looking college girl. On my tour, I was with 4 different girls and banged 2. One became my Girlfriend for second half of the trip. The Con-tiki Aussie and New Zealand girls had a lot of ugly girls, but I’m pretty particular. On Contiki only 4 girls out of 45 people were good looking or even fuckable. I’m guessing that is close to the fuckable ratio at hostels too.

I think it's a smart thing to do. The truth is pussy is better than money and most people spend too much time working to make money and don’t have enough time to get ass!

Post: #23

(07-17-2012 10:30 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Read the Rum Diaries. I didn't see the movie so I don't know how faithful it is. Thompson's basically in Puerto Rico as a reporter but he manages to get himself involved with the craziest characters having the craziest time. Work this angle as a tour guide and you could have yourself a bestseller.

Rum diaries. Noted. I'll have a look at it when I finish my current book.

Of course my books will be filled with crazy shit too. But it doesn't hurt to cater a bit to women since they buy twice as much books as guys and they are far more interested in romantic adventures of tourguides.

I met a French dude while on a amazon riverboat in Brazil who worked as a tourguide in Africa. He said he got laid all the time. Could be a bit of boasting but it's common knowledge that tourguides rank the same as bartenders. People look up to them.
Well, if you act the part of course. Be a colorful, buffed up,sun tanned, happy guy who is responsible for their safety and knows all ins and outs. Dress up like a laid back version of Indiana Jones

I would carry a massive Crocodile Dundee knife hahaha

It's a bit like a G lockdown. Every place you go you know people, shake hands left and right, slap some shoulders and introduce people to each other.

The locals of course like to see you since they make money of your group so they will treat you like a half-celebrity.

Ideas, opinions ??

Post: #24

(07-17-2012 11:40 PM)brianmark Wrote:  Back in the old days I did a few tours with my old girlfriend because in the USA we only got 2-3 weeks for vacation and wanted to cover the most cities and sites in the shortest period of time.

Neil, I want to be clear about what you are talking about. Are you talking about taking Dutch tour groups to South America or SEA? Would you be flying down from Netherlands to these countries? If this is the case, then you need to consider how often you'll be back the same country in SEA. You have to go frequently and should be constantly doing the same route then you could build a harem of girls in different towns. If your company has you fly to Thailand once, then go to another country next and you only get back every 3 months you will lose some girls in between visits. 4 hours a day sounds low. I'm guessing you’re talking about picking up local tour guides to do the actual 4 to 8 hours of local tours the group usually goes on. You are right, you are always on call. Most of the men on the tours would be old and betas for sure. Most of the ladies would be old too. On the tours I did, there were usually only a few young people on any tour, I ever took. If you can actually get stationed in one country then, you'd have a lot of time with the locals.

Your best bet to if you want to get girls on the tour, is work for someone like Con-tiki or some British company that takes the college aged girls. This would be a total goldmine. These tours are 5 girls to every guy. You would definitely bang some of the girls. I don’t know if there any rules about the tour guide not banging the tour members, but you have to take your chances and if you got caught, you could be fired! Most girls will be quiet though or there may not be any rules about this. I did a grand tour of Europe when I was in college with a college tour group. I know one of the bus drivers banged a good looking college girl. On my tour, I was with 4 different girls and banged 2. One became my Girlfriend for second half of the trip. The Con-tiki Aussie and New Zealand girls had a lot of ugly girls, but I’m pretty particular. On Contiki only 4 girls out of 45 people were good looking or even fuckable. I’m guessing that is close to the fuckable ratio at hostels too.

I think it's a smart thing to do. The truth is pussy is better than money and most people spend too much time working to make money and don’t have enough time to get ass!

Yep, i'm talking about Dutch groups on a holiday. I would be living in the country or fly there. I prefer living there because you can build a life there for the time being. I have no illusions that the job itself is difficult and people compare it to a higher management function since there's so much work involved. You get only paid for 4 hours per day. These are Dutch rules and I don't know the rules for other countries. One day you might work 2 or 3 hours and other days you might have to work a 12 hour day or wake up in the middle of the night if some one has a problem that needs to be fixed.

I heard both good things and bad things about contiki. Sure most of the people on group tours are older but there are always local girls too.

Yep, the whole making money first s only good if you can sustain it. Look at me, I used up all my money to travel for nearly three years and now i'm back to square one. I'm sitting behind my desk all day promoting my book and trying to find things to make money of instead of going out and gaming some chicks.

I don't need to have luxury but need chicks. I rather be a broke ass tourguide who's getting laid on the regular than sit in some office all day and have a two to four week vacation every year.
Sure 30 dollars a day is low but it's basically all spending money since you get food and housing for free. You can hustle free drinks too. My standard of living would be a lot higher than as a backpacker.

Post: #25

How about doing bike day tours for Dutch people in some city in SEA or South America? This way instead of travelling around with a group you would be located in one place and would be easier to go out macking the locals.