Post: #1

So I just Roosh's new vid. It was a bit depressing for me. I'm an American living in Europe, and what he said confirms my own opinion.

I commented on his vid, but decided I wanted to hear what you guys think, too:

"Hey Roosh

"Good stuff.

"Have lived in both the US and Europe I would also say American manners are simply better.

"At least, Americans (I wrote European at first, but come to think of, most Americans no matter their ethnicity are like this as far as I can tell) are brought up to be attentive to strangers, to be more open and engaging and to go out of their way “emotionally” to accomodate you. You don’t see this in Europe. People basically shit on each other here. I wonder if it has to do with the end of Christianity and the large welfare states that absolve people of being responsible for how they treat each other on a personal level.

And some addenda...

"It's not that they are less outgoing. It's a question of social culture.

"On the same token, Americans are often louder and more obnoxious. The less well traveled can be especially mortifying. That seems to be more a function of their lack of social skills - less "cool" factor. Europeans on the whole are better at coming across as "cool", meaning laid-back, and indifferent.

"The indifference relates again to how you treat others. Americans almost seem beta in their manners - going out of one's way to accomodate another person. Europeans strike me as more non-chalant and therefore... less beta. Even though it can irritate the fuck out of me, especially when I get crappy service at a restaurant.

"This way of treating each other more tenderly in the US might have something to do with overall more conservative attitudes in the US. Latin Americans also have a reputation for hospitality, and their attitudes towards social issues are very conservative. Funnily, surveys show that Latin Americans think highly of Americans in general - especially people from Central America. The most sophisticated Latin Americans, Argentines, are the least positive in their attitudes towards the US. Chile is more positive, but not as much as say, El Salvador."

Just some thoughts...

Post: #2

Well Europe is a a large and diverse continent. In FSU for example they like to shit on each other at every level, and in the Balkans they are more friendly and hospitable, at least on a superficial level.

Post: #3

A bigger factor than culture may be where in the country (at least in civilized western country) you are. City people are generally more parasitic and unfriendly (kinda have to be due to the environment) than rural people. I'm generally more friendly in rural areas than big cities. I'm also more friendly with people who generally carry themselves in a more positive manner (quick judgments based on face/body language). I'm the same person, but I adjust how I am to fit the environment and basically act as a reflection of the people in the environment. If I go into a ghetto I'm not going to be acting all nice and happy.

Post: #4

i have family in eurrope and in the us. ive lived in the us and in europe. culturally americans are more friendly and more outgoing. but europe is completly different culturally as people have lived in the same cities, towns for centuries. they are more defined than an american is by their past. take phoenix for instance, the oldest building is maybe 80 years old compare that with some cities in europe and its 800 yrs old. i have noticed in the east coast where people have deeper roots are less friendly than out west where people are often new at most 1 or 2 generations deep into the area.

Post: #5

The difference is that in USA people have to be tolerant to make it work between very different nationalities and customs.So they have to apply some general rules.(being friendly,polite,not having edges etc).In Europe not so.European folks have mostly fixed views about each other and are more racist in certain degree.They do not make many compromises or retreats to accept foreign cultures.

For example as a Greek if you prefer to eat Greek food,listen to Greek music and have mostly Greek friends you will likely not be bothered in USA.You will also be allowed to keep some Balkan customs.However you will have problems if you try to play komboloj in public or if you are seen drinking frappe and playing backgammon in cafe all day long.Or if you smoke everywhere and put loud Greek music to be heard from open window cars at noon.
In Germany if you do not try energetically to change as a whole and adapt to the point of listening to classical music,eat German food and have German friends you will never be accepted.For granted with komboloj playing in public and putting loud Greek music you risk getting arrested for disturbing public peace.

Post: #6

"though if you're into coffee and not getting laid, Europe kills"

haha.

btw I dont think the coffee shop differences necessarily correlate to friendliness/extrovertedness/politeness... it's just an interesting mini cultural thing, surely. (although there are bigger cultural differences of course)

Post: #7

(10-08-2012 10:44 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  The difference is that in USA people have to be tolerant to make it work between very different nationalities and customs.So they have to apply some general rules.(being friendly,polite,not having edges etc).In Europe not so.European folks have mostly fixed views about each other and are more racist in certain degree.They do not make many compromises or retreats to accept foreign cultures.

For example as a Greek if you prefer to eat Greek food,listen to Greek music and have mostly Greek friends you will likely not be bothered in USA.You will also be allowed to keep some Balkan customs.However you will have problems if you try to play komboloj in public or if you are seen drinking frappe and playing backgammon in cafe all day long.Or if you smoke everywhere and put loud Greek music to be heard from open window cars at noon.
In Germany if you do not try energetically to change as a whole and adapt to the point of listening to classical music,eat German food and have German friends you will never be accepted.For granted with komboloj playing in public and putting loud Greek music you risk getting arrested for disturbing public peace.

yes correct, immigrants here do not eve nbother t o learn English often. For example the older FSU immigrants(like 1 million in NYC area) do not need t o assimilate .they can get jobs working for Russians. they have Russian newspapers,radio channels , theatre houses ,etc. heck i belong to a federally insured ukrainian credit union with 5 branches and the tellers all speak Russian. By the way Kamaki , the greeks are big in apt building business. My last 2 landlords were Greek, my new one who bought building is from Sparta.
As for travel ,i have read that 80% of Americans do not have passports ,however i am sure many have traveled to Mexico and Canada without passports. i also would say our service men have traveled the world. For the rest of our homebodies d o you blame them for not spending alot of money and time(most get only 2 weeks vacation) to sit on a long flight and g o someplace to get bad service and not understand language? i want to see mountains , I got choices .i want to see beaches, i got pacific ocean ,atlantic ocean and great lakes. i want to visit desert, check. i want to visit a hot tropical jungle environment i got florida, Puerto Rico, Virgin islands ,etc .paradise pacific island? Hawaii. i want to get lOST in Greek ,chinese ,spanish, polish culture I can g o t o various ethnic areas in most large cities. if i a mfat and boring i can go on a cruise fro mthe cruise capital of the world .To be honest i think its quite understandable. the best part is its cheaper than anywhere else in the first world.
As for obnoxious, not even sure what that means, because i worked for a British company and it has given me a bad taste about brits, mind you it was a foreign company , i am sure it would have been run differently if in UK. The other American who worked there and the Aussie thought the Brits were bordering on arrogant and obnoxious, so ..shrugs.. t o each there own. I agree Americans talk more and louder and faster,, though other Europeans will surpass that when drunk.

Post: #8

(10-08-2012 02:30 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  ...As for obnoxious, not even sure what that means, because i worked for a British company and it has given me a bad taste about brits...The other American who worked there and the Aussie thought the Brits were bordering on arrogant and obnoxious, so ..shrugs.. t o each there own. I agree Americans talk more and louder and faster,, though other Europeans will surpass that when drunk.

Yes, Brits. It's strange, because the one's that you see that go abroad...on cheap holidays (the GBP is worth more when exchanged to Euros) are not representative of the nation as a whole (I'm sure this is the same for Americans). I'm sure Greek Kamaki knows more of them than I do.

I think the same that is said for Americans can be said for the U.K. too, minus the politeness...being polite to strangers in general (especially in public) here will get you strange looks, some might even think you're cuckoo in the head...and I'm not kidding. As homeless drunks are usually the most friendly.

There are many immigrants in the U.K. (and illegals like Brazilians pretending to be Portugese) and many have their own "areas" so one can get by without having to learn English, like mentioned above in America.

Post: #9

The English can be intolerable when drunk, Americans are intolerable when sober.

I don't think Brits like being called Europeans by Americans

Post: #10

Aww man! What happened to Boss?

Post: #11

Americans have huge touchy egos and so treat each other how they would like to be treated. They often move around in their huge country so have to make friends with strangers. Their culture is so highly individualistic that they need to make a bridge to "strangers". In America, people might ask you out to dinner, but they may not really not mean it, its a face, a front, a polite thing to say - they are often "phonies". Whereas, in England say, if someone asks you out to dinner, they really mean it.

Europeans typically see Americans as all outside and no inside.

The cooler Americans travel. But you are more likely to meet Australians or Scandinavians travelling than Americans, who barely make up two big states in the U.S.A. with their total populations combined.

Americans think their culture is so predominant and at the centre of the world, that everyone should be take note - but in a lot of cultures, American movies and culture is just that, American movies and culture - entertaining, but not to be taken too seriously. A bit like Bollywood.

Post: #12

At least Americans have the best game in the world

Post: #13

(10-08-2012 05:49 PM)Boss Wrote:  The English can be intolerable when drunk, Americans are intolerable when sober.

I don't think Brits like being called Europeans by Americans

I think we are seeing a new breed of troll here. These trolls register on the first of the month, wait over a whole month to start posting, then begin posting highly inflammatory posts right from the get-go. That troll yesterday who Kamaki wrote on his testes knew that a fairly high percentage of forum members, myself included, are of Greek, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, and Turkish descent and decided to insult those groups specifically to piss people off. What's this type of troll called? I don't believe it has a name yet.

Post: #14

Look at Skywalkers rep he left him.

Post: #15

delete

Post: #16

(10-08-2012 06:14 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Aww man! What happened to Boss?

LOL
I can almost see his star fighter crash and burn into little pieces into the depths of the death star!

Post: #17

(10-08-2012 06:15 PM)tiggaling Wrote:  Americans have huge touchy egos and so treat each other how they would like to be treated. They often move around in their huge country so have to make friends with strangers. Their culture is so highly individualistic that they need to make a bridge to "strangers". In America, people might ask you out to dinner, but they may not really not mean it, its a face, a front, a polite thing to say - they are often "phonies". Whereas, in England say, if someone asks you out to dinner, they really mean it.

Europeans typically see Americans as all outside and no inside.

The cooler Americans travel. But you are more likely to meet Australians or Scandinavians travelling than Americans, who barely make up two big states in the U.S.A. with their total populations combined.

Americans think their culture is so predominant and at the centre of the world, that everyone should be take note - but in a lot of cultures, American movies and culture is just that, American movies and culture - entertaining, but not to be taken too seriously. A bit like Bollywood.

Lol . Insulting a nation of 300 million who never travel so in essence you can't be that experienced with them, since you mostly see our agressive expats or military folks. . To be honest most Americans are too busy to care about you . And sadly alot of cultures actually believe the Hollywood/media frenzy. Alot of FSU chicks actually thought all Americans live like in Santa Barbara and 90210.
As for being phony, Americans have been viewed as being more direct than other cultures so that can be creepy for some.
Truth is right now American culture is predominate. Thats a fact, even British writers have called it the American century. At one time British culture dominated, after WW2 I believe Churchill basically passed the mantle to the USA. There was ashow on the Discover channel called a world without US. You should watch it, it actually has more European and Asian commentaries than American ones. maybe you wil lget an appreciation of what the EGOTISTICAL Americans have done for the world. i quote the American nato Officer who o n hearing that the French wanted us out of France responded" should we take our dead with us?".
Roosh please ban any Anti American s here , my grandfather died in ww2 freeing thier homeland. And he was a Russian immigrant to boot.I have no proble mwith my nation ,i have a proble m with a large % of people in power wh o pass laws and keep feminism ideas in control. i als o think this is the same group who piss off others.
However back to reality ,the next century will probably be the Chinese century, i hope you all will appreciate that better and get use to eating ramon noodles

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(10-08-2012 06:48 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  And sadly alot of cultures actually believe the Hollywood/media frenzy. Alot of FSU chicks actually thought all Americans live like in Santa Barbara and 90210.

Yes, its true!

Quote: As for being phony, Americans have been viewed as being more direct than other cultures so that can be creepy for some.

Can be more direct, (which can come across as egotistical) can often come across as insincere. Depends on the person.

Unfortunately, Americans are not used to any kind of criticism and are often quite insular, so they don't have any comprehension of why there would or could be a criticism, as they don't have a good understanding of other cultures or their own, as for many Americans, only their culture is truly valid or real (weird, but true)

There is a lot of critical talk of many different cultures here. America is one of these cultures in the world.

Post: #19

(10-08-2012 06:57 PM)tiggaling Wrote:  

(10-08-2012 06:48 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  And sadly alot of cultures actually believe the Hollywood/media frenzy. Alot of FSU chicks actually thought all Americans live like in Santa Barbara and 90210.

Yes, its true!

Quote: As for being phony, Americans have been viewed as being more direct than other cultures so that can be creepy for some.

Can be more direct, (which can come across as egotistical) can often come across as insincere. Depends on the person.

Unfortunately, Americans are not used to any kind of criticism and are often quite insular, so they don't have any comprehension of why there would or could be a criticism, as they don't have a good understanding of other cultures or their own, as for many Americans, only their culture is truly valid or real (weird, but true)

There is a lot of critical talk of many different cultures here. America is one of these cultures in the world.

How much time have you lived in America?

Post: #20

(10-08-2012 06:48 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  Roosh please ban any Anti American s here

We Americans believe in free speech - that request goes against what we believe.

(10-08-2012 06:48 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  my grandfather died in ww2 freeing thier homeland. And he was a Russian immigrant to boot.

Freeing whose homeland? If you meant America, then you over a hundred years late and are referencing the wrong war.

You know one big thing Russians immigrants have brought to the U.S.? The Russian mafia.

We've got immigrants from everywhere - no one nationality is special for emigrating to the U.S..

(10-08-2012 06:48 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  I have no proble mwith my nation ,i have a proble m with a large % of people in power wh o pass laws and keep feminism ideas in control.

No qualms here.

Wald

Post: #21

I am sorry to anybody who lost a relative in a stupid war, how many Russians died in WW2 as opposed to Brits or Americans.

Not all Americans are alike and not all Europeans are alike, the question is as dumb as it gets.

Post: #22

(10-08-2012 07:06 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  How much time have you lived in America?

3 months.

Post: #23

(10-08-2012 06:14 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Aww man! What happened to Boss?

People here are getting banned like lightning.

Post: #24

(10-08-2012 07:34 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

(10-08-2012 06:48 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  Roosh please ban any Anti American s here

We Americans believe in free speech - that request goes against what we believe.

(10-08-2012 06:48 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  my grandfather died in ww2 freeing thier homeland. And he was a Russian immigrant to boot.

Freeing whose homeland? If you meant America, then you over a hundred years late and are referencing the wrong war.

You know one big thing Russians immigrants have brought to the U.S.? The Russian mafia.

We've got immigrants from everywhere - no one nationality is special for emigrating to the U.S..

(10-08-2012 06:48 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  I have no proble mwith my nation ,i have a proble m with a large % of people in power wh o pass laws and keep feminism ideas in control.

No qualms here.

Wald

WOW, wtf you talking about? Our involvement i n WW2 freed continental Europe. What war are you talking about?
Russian immigrants in between 1905- 1950 have nothing t o do with any Russian mafia. The Russian mafia guys were the criminals that the Soviet Union sent with the wave of Russian jews i n the 1970's. i hardly can fathom how you call my grandfather a Russian mobster. Why are you even talking about Russian immigrants for? Whats your beef with them? next your going to be talking about Italian and Irish gangsters? I mentioend my dead grandfather wh o fought for America. He was a US GI not a Russian soldier . I think the point being made was that people immigrate to this country fro m all over the world and are Americans and die for our country.
This is Roosh v forum and Roosh doesnt have to follow freedom of speech. He bans people who are insulting to other groups all the time , especially when they GENERALIZE crap to inflame others. Where have you been?
I am sorry your humor finds it witty to make general negative statements about 300 million people that is in no way related to GAMING. This forum is about gaming and this sectio n about travel. LOl , I am not going t o respond t o any thing else you say ,considering you didn't know anything about WW2 or about the Russian mafia you mentioned.

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(10-08-2012 07:58 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  WOW, wtf you talking about? Our involvement i n WW2 freed continental Europe. What war are you talking about?
Russian immigrants in between 1905- 1950 have nothing t o do with any Russian mafia. The Russian mafia guys were the criminals that the Soviet Union sent with the wave of Russian jews i n the 1970's. i hardly can fathom how you call my grandfather a Russian mobster. Why are you even talking about Russian immigrants for? Whats your beef with them? next your going to be talking about Italian and Irish gangsters? I mentioend my dead grandfather wh o fought for America. He was a US GI not a Russian soldier . I think the point being made was that people immigrate to this country fro m all over the world and are Americans and die for our country.
This is Roosh v forum and Roosh doesnt have to follow freedom of speech. He bans people who are insulting to other groups all the time , especially when they GENERALIZE crap to inflame others. Where have you been?
I am sorry your humor finds it witty to make general negative statements about 300 million people that is in no way related to GAMING. This forum is about gaming and this sectio n about travel. LOl , I am not going t o respond t o any thing else you say ,considering you didn't know anything about WW2 or about the Russian mafia you mentioned.

Is something wrong with your computer? as there are always gaps in your w ords, like thi s. you might want to get your computer checked out!