Post: #1

Quote: Currently, the main suspect behind this catastrophe is a cosmic impact from an asteroid or comet, an idea first proposed by physicist Luis Alvarez and his son geologist Walter Alvarez. Scientists later found that signs of this collision seemed evident near the town of Chicxulub (CHEEK-sheh-loob) in Mexico in the form of a gargantuan crater more than 110 miles (180 kilometers) wide. The explosion, likely caused by an object about 6 miles (10 km) across, would have released as much energy as 100 trillion tons of TNT, more than a billion times more than the atom bombs that destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

However, further work suggested the Chicxulub impact occurred either 300,000 years before or 180,000 years after the end-Cretaceous mass extinction. As such, researchers have explored other possibilities, including other impact sites, such as the controversial Shiva crater in India, or even massive volcanic eruptions, such as those creating the Deccan Flats in India.

http://news.yahoo.com/asteroid-impact-ki...46621.html

Post: #2

wait so they still don't know when the impact happened as they say it happened either before or after...thats a bit shite

Post: #3

I'd like to believe that consciousness as we know it can't arise in chaos.

Proof that life is rare can be found if you study the solar system as an entity. Jupiter sucks up most of asteroids.

My dick takes a beating as well.

Post: #4

(02-08-2013 04:48 AM)bojangles Wrote:  wait so they still don't know when the impact happened as they say it happened either before or after...thats a bit shite

I think the reporter doesn't understand the concept of the reference range.

Later on in the article it mentions that new evidence suggests the impact happened within 33 000 years of the extinction, either before or after or at the same time.

So it either:
Destablised the world and created the possibility that some other event would wipe everything out
Caused the end of world (from a dinosaur's point of view)
Or sealed the nail in the coffin, causing almost no dinosaurs to survive some other cataclysmic event.

Few things in science are certain.

Post: #5

New websites/videos popping up in the last few years claiming that dinosaurs we have been presented with our whole lives are fake and that the bones you see in museums worldwide are plaster casts. Allegedly, prior to the 19th century practically no dinosaur bones were ever found, and apparently even today a fully complete dinosaur skeleton has never been found. Even the word "dinosaur" did not exist prior to the 19th century. This video covers most of these ideas.






However, this does not discount the myth of the dragon creature which is present in many different ancient cultures worldwide, such as very widespread the dragon symbolism in China, the "myth" of saint george killing the dragon, and references in the bible to some very large and strange creatures called Tannin.


From wikipedia:

Quote:As the term "dinosaur" was coined by Richard Owen in 1842, the Bible does not use the word "dinosaur". Some creationist organizations propose that the Hebrew word tanniyn (תנין, pronounced [tanˈnin]), mentioned nearly thirty times in the Old Testament, should be considered a synonym. In English translations, tanniyn has been translated as "sea monster" or "serpent", but most often it is translated as "dragon". Additionally, in the Book of Job, a "behemoth" (Job 40:15–24) is described as a creature that "moves his tail like a cedar"; the behemoth is described as ranking "first among the works of God" and as impossible to capture (vs. 24). Biblical scholars have alternatively identified the behemoth as either an elephant, a hippopotamus, or a bull, but some creationists have identified the behemoth with sauropod dinosaurs, often specifically the Brachiosaurus according to their interpretation of the verse "He is the chief of the ways of God" implying that the behemoth is the largest animal God created. The leviathan is another creature referred to in the Bible's Old Testament that some creationists argue is actually a dinosaur. Alternatively, more mainstream scholars have identified the Leviathan (Job 41) with the Nile crocodile or, because Ugarit texts describe it as having seven heads, a purely mythical beast similar to the Lernaean Hydra.

Post: #6

^I could see the big emphasis on how birds are descended from dinosaurs to be intended as a deflection to any questions relating to connection between 'dinosaurs' and dragons.

G

Post: #7

(04-27-2017 10:05 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  New websites/videos popping up in the last few years claiming that dinosaurs we have been presented with our whole lives are fake and that the bones you see in museums worldwide are plaster casts. Allegedly, prior to the 19th century practically no dinosaur bones were ever found, and apparently even today a fully complete dinosaur skeleton has never been found. Even the word "dinosaur" did not exist prior to the 19th century. This video covers most of these ideas.






However, this does not discount the myth of the dragon creature which is present in many different ancient cultures worldwide, such as very widespread the dragon symbolism in China, the "myth" of saint george killing the dragon, and references in the bible to some very large and strange creatures called Tannin.

This theory is almost as retarded as Flat Earth, and it turns out it is also the work of Eric Dubay.

Museum bones are mostly replicas, because you don't put very fragile priceless artifacts out for people to touch. There are plenty of real bones, and many dinosaurs have been found near complete. If anything, the fact that most artifacts aren't complete tells you that they are real, because the odds of finding fossils that are millions of years old in mint shape are pretty slim.

There is a thriving market for dinosaur bones with buyers and sellers trading million dollar bones. All fake of course, sez this guy:



At least those of you that had any doubts of Eric Dubay being a total bullshit artist can see him as the con man he is.

Post: #8

(04-27-2017 11:20 AM)911 Wrote:  All fake of course, sez this guy:



At least those of you that had any doubts of Eric Dubay being a total bullshit artist can see him as the con man he is.

I was hoping to keep this discussion on the topic at hand, but once again forum member 911, rather than stick to the subject of the thread, you go the route of cheap personal insults to people you don't agree with, which is the preferred cowardly feminist SJW method of attack. You are posting 1 image taken totally out of context in order to skew people's impressions and do a character assassination.
That screenshot comes from a video where he was doing various impressions of his haters dressed in different ways.
See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JmGSibtRqI


Here's 5 other shots of the same dude.
How many guys on RVF are physically this well in shape ?












Hopefully we can now get back to discussing the issue of whether his ideas on dinosaurs have merit or not.

Post: #9

Given the degeneracy, decadence and overall steep decline of Western Civilization, is it wrong to wish for another asteroid or comet to put us out of our misery?

Post: #10

(04-27-2017 11:53 AM)DannyAlberta Wrote:  Given the degeneracy, decadence and overall steep decline of Western Civilization, is it wrong to wish for another asteroid or comet to put us out of our misery?

Are you really that depressed?

Relevant thread:

/thread-62389.html

Post: #11

^ It was clearly more ironic than serious.

Post: #12

Same

Post: #13

^ Understood.

Post: #14

(04-27-2017 11:49 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(04-27-2017 11:20 AM)911 Wrote:  All fake of course, sez this guy:



At least those of you that had any doubts of Eric Dubay being a total bullshit artist can see him as the con man he is.

I was hopig to keep this discussion on the topic at hand, but once again forum member 911, rather than stick to the subject of the thread, you go the route of cheap personal insults to people you don't agree with, which is the preferred cowardly feminist SJW method of attack. You are posting 1 image taken totally out of context in order to skew people's impressions and do a character assassination.
That screenshot comes from a video where he was doing various impressions of his haters dressed in different ways.
See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JmGSibtRqI

Here's 5 other shots of the same dude.
How many guys on RVF are physically this well in shape ?

Hopefully we can now get back to discussing the issue of whether his ideas on dinosaurs have merit or not.

My post was 100% on topic, I pointed out who the author of the video you've posted is. You didn't mention it was from Eric Dubay. I didn't watch the video, just knowing it was from him tells me all that I need to know.

Dubay is a piece of shit globalist con artist who is mind-fucking the most stupid segment of the truther movement, in order to destroy it from within. Most of his followers are new age women who believe in crystals and are dumb enough to believe in flat earth, or lately, that dinosaurs are a fabricated conspiracy.

Don't be like them Merc.

Post: #15

1) Create a massively elaborate international hoax about reptilian creatures that existed 65 million years ago
2) ???
3) Profit!

We are in the wrong business, my friends. Creating fake dinosaur bones is where the real money and power is to be had!

You want to know who the real Illuminati are? Then look into the cold, heartless, evil faces of
PALEONTOLOGISTS!!!

Just look at all these evil mofos! Don't tell me that their malevolent manipulative creepiness doesn't send chills of horror down your spine! Just LOOK AT THEM!!!









It's all lies! IT'S ALL LIES! They want to rule us all!!!

Post: #16

This hoax must have been started by the demons that came from the Hadron Collider

Post: #17

No bones or naming prior to the 19th century, eh?

https://infogalactic.com/info/Georges_Cuvier

He sure discovered a lot of shit in the 18th century. Technically he discovered mosasaurs and pterodactyls, neither of which are dinosaurs. But most folks don't know the difference anyway.

Post: #18

(04-27-2017 12:19 PM)911 Wrote:  Don't be like them Merc.

(04-27-2017 01:14 PM)MiscBrah Wrote:  This hoax must have been started by the demons that came from the Hadron Collider

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Post: #20

The people involved in this Dino conspiracy should be given leading positions in governments. If they manage to keep the kind of coordination, connections, subterfuge, obfuscation and cooperation that it'd take to dupe the entire world's scientific community - then they are clearly wasted peddling bones!

I mean most radiometric dating would have blown this scam wide open but I'll give these dino elites credit for having side stepped that for the last 100 years.

Post: #21

Yes but can those people do the splits like Eric Dubay?

Post: #22

Back on topic...here are some ideas to consider:

From this website
http://thetechreader.com/top-ten/top-ten...dinosaurs/

Quote:Top Ten Scientific Flaws In The Theory of Prehistoric Dinosaurs

10.
An extinction-level event of this magnitude would have destroyed all life on Earth, not just the dinosaurs; this would be evident archaeologically.

9.
There would not have been enough food or fresh water for plant-based animals this big to have lived

8.
No one is allowed to question the Dinosaur Orthodoxy without extremely harsh criticism

7.
Dinosaurs were too big to have existed with the confines of the laws of physics

6.
Lack of perpetual fossil evidence - everyone should be finding these bones in their backyards

5.
Radiocarbon dating, also known as Carbon-14 Dating, cannot date back longer than 40,000 years

4.
Dinosaurs did not exist in mythology in any culture before the 1800s

3.
A full skeleton or a dinosaur has never been found - not even close to one

2.
There is more evidence for the presupposition of dinosaurs than the other way around

1.
Even an extinction-level event would not have destroyed the dinosaurs who lived in the deep-ocean

...

Post: #23

Article from Time magazine:

http://content.time.com/time/world/artic...48,00.html

Quote:China's Dinosaur Fossils: Vast, but Are They Real?

By Jessie Jiang and Simon Elegant Sunday, Apr. 05, 2009


The Tianyu Natural History Museum doesn't look like the repository of a scientific treasure trove. A nondescript brick building in Pingyi, a secluded town 430 miles (692 km) southwest of Beijing, its doors are guarded by two groggy security guards who spend their day flipping through newspapers and sipping tea. There are no curators or guides giving tours of the museum's 28 exhibit halls, and only a handful of visitors on a Sunday afternoon. But Tianyu is not short on natural history. In one hall alone, 480 dinosaur fossils are randomly placed in glass cases or left in the open air around a room the size of a basketball court, along with Triassic fish and other more recent fossils, primarily from different parts of China. "We are the world's number one," says Zheng Xiaoting, director and keeper of the Tianyu (which means "universe" in Chinese) Natural History Museum's collection of thousands of dinosaur fossils. Though no official records of the collection's number exist, several Chinese paleontologists echo Zheng's claim that Tianyu houses the world's largest collection of dinosaur fossils. "In 10 years' time," says Zheng, who runs the largest business in town, a lucrative state-owned gold mine, which owns the museum, "Tianyu will really put our small town on the world map." If the world will have them. Tianyu has purchased most of its fossil collection from individuals — an illegal practice permitted by authorities only because it is technically a state-owned institution. More problematic, however, is that there is no way of knowing how many of those fossils are real. Chinese scientists say fake fossils are so pervasive in Chinese museums that using authenticity as the basis for judging a collection's worth is unrealistic. "Granted, there are many fakes and processed [fossils] in Tianyu, like everywhere else in China," says Xu Xing, a paleontologist at the Chinese Academy of Sciences, who is part of a team that discovered primitive dinosaur feathers in fossils that are now housed at Tianyu. "But I was truly astonished by the caliber of its real and valuable collections...It probably has a larger collection of complete fossil skeletons than any other museum in the world."

In the late 1970s, China's economic reform and opening up spurred a fervor of fossil-hunting among impoverished peasants, who began selling their finds to the highest bidders — state institutions, private individuals and foreigners alike. Since then, numerous dinosaur and bird fossils have been identified in the northeast province of Liaoning, and the southwest regions of Guizhou and Yunnan have become well known for their massive output of Triassic marine-life fossils. Fakery became a natural part of this lucrative business, and several Chinese paleontologists say fakes, typically made into the shape of bones using plastic, charcoal and construction materials, now make up the majority of institutional fossil collections China. And though China's vast land mass means there are probably still plenty of valuable and legitimate fossils out there, China's fossil rush might already be a thing of the past. In 2002, the government tightened its cultural-relics law to ban private fossil-trading, drying up both legal and black-market trade. Zheng declines to give an estimate for what percentage of Tianyu's collection could be fakes, but says he and his staff have started to label — but not remove — those that have proven not to be the real deal. To cope with the drastically shrinking market, Zheng says the museum will gradually shift its focus to scientific research, cooperating with the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) to study dinosaurs and early birds. After all, Zheng says, it was never about the money. "I don't care for Mercedes," he says when asked why he drives a battered VW Santana 2000. "If I ever have an extra dime, I will use it on fossils."

Post: #24

(04-27-2017 01:56 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  Back on topic...here are some ideas to consider:

From this website
http://thetechreader.com/top-ten/top-ten...dinosaurs/

Quote:Top Ten Scientific Flaws In The Theory of Prehistoric Dinosaurs

10.
An extinction-level event of this magnitude would have destroyed all life on Earth, not just the dinosaurs; this would be evident archaeologically.

9.
There would not have been enough food or fresh water for plant-based animals this big to have lived

8.
No one is allowed to question the Dinosaur Orthodoxy without extremely harsh criticism

7.
Dinosaurs were too big to have existed with the confines of the laws of physics

6.
Lack of perpetual fossil evidence - everyone should be finding these bones in their backyards

5.
Radiocarbon dating, also known as Carbon-14 Dating, cannot date back longer than 40,000 years

4.
Dinosaurs did not exist in mythology in any culture before the 1800s

3.
A full skeleton or a dinosaur has never been found - not even close to one

2.
There is more evidence for the presupposition of dinosaurs than the other way around

1.
Even an extinction-level event would not have destroyed the dinosaurs who lived in the deep-ocean

...

There's PLENTY of evidence for the existence of dinosaurs, you're just not looking hard enough:

Post: #25

There's no doubt dinosaurs existed. They were obviously called dragons in the past which makes a lot of sense if you look at dinosaur fossils especially flying ones.

What about dinosaur fossils in the bottom of rivers and other unreachabke spots they can't get them from without damaging the fossils. I've seen them for myself in Colorado.

Not everything is a conspiracy theory.

I doubt dinosaurs died as a result of a meteor though. If you look at oxygen levels throughout Earth's history the oxygen levels drop very quickly right around the time a lot of dinosaurs die. Animals that large need extra oxygen to survive. Same thing as with when insects were much larger. The other dinosaurs most likely died to the significant climate changes. Ice Age being one of them.

Animals that large can survive as well. Think of all the ancient bears, dire wolves, giant wild cats, ancient boars that were the size of cows.

The reason why fossils aren't everywhere is because they pretty much need a perfect storm to occur. That's why they appear more in certain areas that have the elements needed.

Again this is like flat earth, a conspiracy for the sake of a conspiracy not because there is anything real here.