Post: #1

This little aspect of night game has been discussed tangentially in other threads, but I want to highlight it.

I am starting to think a makeout during a night approach is in most circumstances a no-no, until you are back at her place or she is back at yours. How to appropriately escalate physically is highly dependent on where you are, and it is possible to escalate too far in the wrong location. I believe Roosh was correct when he said you are punished for not escalating, but on the other hand a makeout can dissipate sexual tension. The first date bang recipe dictates no makeout, it doesn't leave her with plausible deniability as far as where the interaction is headed, and I believe this applies to approaches as well. One thing I've learned about game, which applies to the broader "life game," is it's important to be good at getting others to rationalize the decisions you want them to make.

Maybe this is common knowledge, and I missed the memo. For the past several weeks I've yet to go out and not get a make out, yet only one turned into a SNL. I have very poor logistics, so my only option is to go back to her place. I am going to pretty high energy bars and lounges, so it's not a lack of alcohol that is the problem. Mostly, I think it's just a matter of the logistics, but I typically always push the interaction to the end of the night after a makeout, and they're not ending as climactically as I want.

The best advice I've read is member XXL's post on the No Dating Challenge thread. I am considering a no makeout challenge (no makeout until you are at her place or yours) for the next few weeks, and see if I can instead find ways to escalate emotionally. A brute force, turn you on as much as possible approach, is a tactical error unless you are in a private place.

It reinforces how little investment is required for a girl to make out with a guy. An interaction that is purely based on sexual attraction will not lead to anything unless the logistics are just right. Curious as to how others handle this.

Post: #2

Thx for support.

Escalate or not, both fine as long as you proceed with common sense. That post of mine you mentioned is accurate however there are some details to it that make different things work. So be flexible. Ok so this is the basic break down of the typical night out in clubs / bars. It's all about TIMEFRAMES OF THE NIGHT.

It all starts with dividing night into two parts...

1st part of the night. It is "me time". It's time to relax, get into social mood, warm up. You just socialize with people innocently and see which girls/groups you more or less click with. As you talk to girls you ask typical logistical question to judge the potential [SNL or date]. You exchange phone numbers. Now, if the girl is impossible to pull you under escalate with her to keep the tension alive, you tell her you want to meet her again in 1-2 days and you set up a date on the spot really hammering it into her head. OTOH if you see she's quite possible to pull you tell her you're going to meet later in the night also hammering it into her head. You screen like that a couple of girls/groups and you end up with few date-phone-numbers and few SNL-phone-numbers.

2nd part of the night. Drinks do their job people are more fun and act more sexy. You now have dilemma what to do with those SNL-girls. You judge the potential of those girls [her friends/intoxination/logistic/etc] and you make decision. You can 1) stick to one group till the end of the night or you can 2) steal the the most DTF girl by escalating and leading hard. No option is better. Both proven to work. It all depends on the situation.

Next day you can take care of your date-phone numbers and set up dates. Because you didn't over escalate like a caveman there's something to work on. If she remembers you

That's how I reconcile physical escalation with timeframes of the night

Post: #3

(02-17-2013 01:41 PM)Luxe Wrote:  This little aspect of night game has been discussed tangentially in other threads, but I want to highlight it.

I am starting to think a makeout during a night approach is in most circumstances a no-no, until you are back at her place or she is back at yours. How to appropriately escalate physically is highly dependent on where you are, and it is possible to escalate too far in the wrong location. I believe Roosh was correct when he said you are punished for not escalating, but on the other hand a makeout can dissipate sexual tension.

Agree with Roosh and wholeheartedly disagree with the no escalation till you are back at the crib.

Wrote this on another thread:

Quote:I don't understand the "don't kiss a girl on a date in public thing".

It just doesn't make sense.

Are you also saying it is bad to have a girl give you a blower in public because it will hurt your chances of banging her?

What about banging her in public? Does that also hurt your chances of banging her?

The more turned on a girl gets the easier it is to swoop her.

It's simple swoop mathematics.

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Post: #4

I ALWAYS escalate and quick and I have a pretty damn good conversion rate. I generally make out with the girl within 30 minutes. I've never understood the 'don't escalate', but to each their own.

Post: #5

I'm with G and McQueen for the most part.

I think you misunderstood the first date bang recipe - the kiss is used as a carrot to get her to your house. She wants to kiss you so much that it makes her more inclined to go in your house just to get it.

But at night, you don't have a lock on the girl's time like you do on a date. She's not a captive audience. You can't really make her feel that sense of loss. You're just another dude talking to her. Kissing her takes you slightly beyond that, and amps her up, making her more likely to agree to go home with you. If you had been talking to her for a couple hours in a nice lounge, with solid convo, a kiss might not be needed. But there are always tipsy floozies hanging around who reward men who move quickly and boldly.

One of my main wingmen says I make out with girls faster than anyone else he knows

Post: #6

(02-17-2013 05:21 PM)basilransom Wrote:  I'm with G and McQueen for the most part.

I think you misunderstood the first date bang recipe - the kiss is used as a carrot to get her to your house. She wants to kiss you so much that it makes her more inclined to go in your house just to get it.

But at night, you don't have a lock on the girl's time like you do on a date. She's not a captive audience. You can't really make her feel that sense of loss. You're just another dude talking to her. Kissing her takes you slightly beyond that, and amps her up, making her more likely to agree to go home with you. If you had been talking to her for a couple hours in a nice lounge, with solid convo, a kiss might not be needed. But there are always tipsy floozies hanging around who reward men who move quickly and boldly.

One of my main wingmen says I make out with girls faster than anyone else he knows

Lmao there's a rumor floating around the certain city you reside in that you DO kiss em fast, this I've heard lol.

Post: #7

Make outs are absolutely essential for me before we go back to my place or her place. The reason is that I'm a pretty boring guy and if I don't get a make out fairly quickly the girl will lose interest me. For me a make out or an attempted make out is key.

Interestingly an attempted make out (during a cold approach) where the girl rejects the kiss can be just as effective in keeping a girl interested as an actual make out is. There have been times where I'll go in for a kiss and she will turn her head. Then we talk for a little while and I'll go in for another kiss and she will turn her head again. But after that she is super interested in me and doesn't go away even if we don't make out. Then eventually we will make out later on because she didn't go away like she would have if I didn't make the attempt.

Post: #8

(02-17-2013 05:27 PM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 05:21 PM)basilransom Wrote:  One of my main wingmen says I make out with girls faster than anyone else he knows

Lmao there's a rumor floating around the certain city you reside in that you DO kiss em fast, this I've heard lol.

Haha. I was just telling a girl I started banging that my kissing her in the bar must look like sexual assault to bystanders. Grabbing them by the back of their neck so they can't escape... They love it. She was like, "consentual rape... That's hot "

Post: #9

I think you can do either and it can work. At least it has for me. I think it depends on you, the girl, and the situation.

This guy actually wrote a book about zero sexual interaction before you get back to someplace you can bang.
He believed you need to let the sexual tension build until she feels almost forced to release it and this is mostly
what I try to do but don't always succeed.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0042FZ...k_ro_title