Post: #26

Exactly....

Why does a whore stop being a whore?

A) She gets knocked up
B) Gets an STD
C) The judge and/or doctor tells her to cut her drinking or else

It's usually choice (A), but she is still the same person.

Post: #27

The conventional wisdom in neuroscience used to be that we are born with a given number of brain cells which never increase. But, recently neuroscience has discovered that new brain cells are being generated even in adults. So, looking at the basic hardware, we should be able to change. The problem is that not many people do change. It is hard for several reasons. For one, emotional memories are stored by the amygdala which screw us up and shape behavior. But, due to evolution, there are no existent pathways from the cortex to the amygdala to retrieve the memories that are screwing us up. Meditation works in making changes and has been proven to change brain structure, but it takes a ridiculous amount of time to make any progress. Brain research is progressing at warp speed, and soon neuroscientists will be able to figure out how thousands of neurons work together to make computations. This may lead to new technologies, perhaps some drug that would accelerate the changes of meditation.

Here are some of the latest projects in Brain research.

Blue Brain Project
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Brain_Project

Brainbow
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainbow

Optogenetics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optogenetics

Brain Machine Interface
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_machine_interface

US Brain Initiative
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRAIN_Initiative

European Human Brain Project
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Brain_Project_(EU)

Post: #28

I've definitely changed a lot over the past ten years. Even over the last 7. If u would have asked anyone i went to high school with they would have never believed you if you told them I would learn two languages, dont really smoke pot, travel to several countries, and dress up in suits in 7 years.

Post: #29

People change but not on demand and usually not fast. It is unreasonable to expect that a person will change on your demand in an instant.

Many of my former friends, classmates, college mates, colleges have changed drastically after I haven't seen them for many years. Others have remained practically the same. Some people change others do not. But it usually the smart ones who have changed. So you could say that some people can change while others do not and that obviously has to do with having enough intellect to reflect on self as well as having courage and willpower.

I myself have changed as most of people who have swallowed red pill, this in itself is a significant change causing a chain reaction of other changes in many spheres of life.

Post: #30

In life, there are more things that can go wrong than those that can go right. For instance, more cars fail at 30,000 miles than run 500,000 miles.

Similarly, more people "get ruined" than "mature" favorably as they age. They fail at their weak points-- booze, laziness, paranoia.

However, one CAN learn to manage whatever you're given better, as a previous poster said by placing oneself in an optimal environment matched to your strngths and
weaknesses.

For instance, when I hit 60 I won't be in California bitching about how I can't get young chicks, I'll be in the Phillipines sourcing bulk Viagra on a feral impregnation spree.

Post: #31

When I was younger I was shy, introverted, had social anxiety, did no drugs, didn't drink, didn't smoke. Now i'm the complete opposite of all that. While I do agree that most of our personality is fixed by the time we reach 18, I also believe that with enough incentive, anyone can change. It's called adaptation, and it's at the root of evolution and biology.

So while I do agree that it's not wise to count on people changing, or expect them to, just know, that it is possible.

Post: #32

Have a kid that will change you quick.

Post: #33

There was a thread a while back on free will that reminded me of this one and it had very similar responses. The majority of the posters disbelieved in free will and didn't think there was anything a person can truly do to choose his actions as their body had already made it for them. I'll say the same thing here that I said there. I'm very surprised at how many people here, of all places believe that a person cannot mold themselves into what they want to be. There's articles being published constantly both on the main site and on RoK on ways to improve your live and constant threads on what you can do start living the life you want among with admonishments of people who say you can't: oh I can't get white girls cause I'm Indian. Oh I can't lose weight because fatness is genetic so you should just accept it etc. This is just plain bizarre to me.

I suppose those of you don't believe that people can change also don't believe in "swallowing the red pill" either then?

Post: #34

Wutang, I did that thread on free will. I also wondered that so many didn´t think that free will exists but in a good way. When you watch cultures from different countries the people look the same in their attitudes. For many americans it is typical that they believe in the american dream. Yes, people can change but the prize is very high. When you gain something you normally loose something, too. Otherwise it would be a no brainer for everyone to change himself. Everybody would be a millionaire. "Yes we can" does not work so easily. Look at the sharks they didn´t change for 150 million years. Sometimes it´s just not worth.

Post: #35

For me, what separates humans from the sharks and other animals is our ability to change. Animals are pure instinct, they truly cannot do anything outside of what their instinct drives them to do. With humans, even though we do often just go along with our instincts DO have the potential to suppress our will. Now, I do think this isn't a common thing and yeah most people are just creatures of habit and instinct but there is still that potential however unrealized it may be in the majority of humankind.

I do not believe in absolute free will nor do I think most people do. For a being to have absolute free will he would have to be all-powerful and all-knowing; in other words, have knowledge of every potential outcome and also of all potential outcomes and then be able to choose from among these freely. I do believe that we are able to choose among the options that we are given from our limited knowledge. To use an example we can all relate to, for many of us if we had never stumbled upon the manosphere then we would have continued to make usual beta mistakes when dealing with women and be completely ignorant of the sort of forces out there that are controlling men these days. We would have not been able to make the necessary changes to ourselves simply because we did not possess the knowledge to do so. However we were lucky to be exposed to such knowledge and we were freely able to choose between either ignoring that knowledge and going about our lives as it was before or we could have swallowed the red pill.

Post: #36

There's a lot of stages to change, with a weedout at each one.

Say there's wisdom on the value of lots of approaches.

1) Few will listen, and even fewer will act on it.
2) Out of those who act, few will have the perseverance to continue acting until they start to change so that they can maintain the behavior
3) Out of those few who persist, few will like the changes enough and have the life circumstances in place so they continue to change and achieve mastery.

So for the sake of argument, let's pick odds starting with 10000 people.

1) 100% hear, 15 % listen, 3% will act. Down to 300 people
2) Out of the 300, (this is a select group with some more steel) 50 might persevere until they start to change.
3) out of the 50 maybe 30 will get derailed with one-itis, impregnate someone, or get transferred to Alaska because they fucked the CO's daughter.
4) Maybe half of the remaining 20 will achieve true mastery. Ten will find Jesus and disavow nasty, choke-a-bitch sex (of course consensual) .

That leaves 10 out of 10,000= 1/10 of 1%. As an example of an objective difficult goal, about 1% of people get a PhD in something. They make about twice the average of the rest of the population. But this is a programmed path with clear steps, not very fuzzy like becoming a success with women. Fuzzy goals are much harder.

Disclaimer: I advocate following all laws at all times. I think no non-conformist thoughts and agree with everybody.
This writing is for entertainment purposes only and no recommendations are made.

Post: #37

I believe that people cannot change unless under pressure/stimulation from a change in their environment. As long as a person's environment stays relatively homogenous there will be no change. When a person encounters a change in their environment - going off to college, learning a new idea, being bankrupt, catching an STD - only then can they change. That is why changing your environment is the best way to create change in your life. I look at my own life and I can see that I have grown but not really changed. I have been chasing girls since first grade (literally back then) and have always tried to be as unique, creative, and good looking as possible.

Post: #38

(05-12-2013 08:27 PM)TheCaptainPower Wrote:  I truly believe that "people don't change".

They don't. It's bullshit.

I 100% disagree.

Post: #39

I don't even understand how you could not think people change. Do you only know 5 people or something? I mean really, those of you who don't think people change, have never actually witnessed it? I've seen a lot of people change. Shit, Roosh has changed a ton over the years. He went from a dude living in his dads basement, to a mini celebrity. He also quite his job as a scientist to travel the world. How can you say people don't change when the founder of this forum is one huge prime example. Not to mention, that's part of what this forum revolves around, self improvement. Guess what? That's change itself.

Post: #40

Not only do people not NOT change, people MUST change, but they're still people.

Snakes shed their skin to become bigger, but they're still a snake. Is that change? I'd say yes.

Speaking subjectively, I'm 10x more social than I was, in 10x better shape, and 10x happier than I was 10 years ago. Are some things still the same? Of course. Some ideals and morals have only intensified and concentrated. Others have completely flipped 180 degrees.

This thread title is cynicism at its worst. Are most people complete scum that are set in their ways? Probably, but who cares? Even they change, just for the worse. Change is a universal constant in life, and it's one of the few things that we can all count on. Everything changes.

The trick is adapting, and trying to utilize the change to benefit the most from it.

Post: #41

TheCaptainPower, if you truly believe people don't/cannot change, then why did you publish a book titled "Work Out, Lose Weight, And Stop Being Single"?

Going by your worldview, if people don't change, they're surely not going to start hitting the gym, losing weight, and learning how to handle the opposite sex.

Post: #42

It depends how we define change? Right?

I have a very loose definition of "change". I say if a man can go from shy to talkative, he has changed.

Of course, things like genetics can't be changed? Or, can they? I think science is getting pretty close..

With basic learned skills like social skills, people can change, if they WORK really, really hard at it.

If they WORK really, really hard at it Their brain will re-wire itself.

Once your brain has re-wired itself, you have changed.

Like many others have said, most people are just to lazy to put the work in.

I don't mean a few weeks or a few months of hard work, I mean a few years of hard work. That is what it takes to change. Years of dedication and commitment.

I have personally gone thru massive changes. It took years.

(05-12-2013 10:46 PM)Fisto Wrote:  Certain things like IQ, height, dick length etc are not going to change,

Call me crazy, but, I believe all these things can be changed.

IQ?

Take an IQ test. Get your score.

Then, smoke crack and meth for 10 years.

Take the test again. Your score will go down.

Why?

Your brain has changed. When your brain changes, you change.

Take a kid from the jungle. Give him an IQ test. Get the score.

Then, educate him in the modern, western education.

Allow him to study for the test for 8 hours a day.

Take the test again and again.

His scores will go up. His IQ will increase.

Why?

He re-wired his brain.

Height.

Regular stretching and proper posture will get you a few millimeters or more.

Guys are getting surgery nowadays:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/york-man-gr...ZVNs6I-aZg

Diet and nutrition during during developmental years can affect height.

I need to start wearing shoes with a heel.

Are these bad examples?

Dick Length:

I think I added at least an inch with consistent stretching and
"Cockastenics".

Am I out of my mind?

(05-12-2013 11:00 PM)TheCaptainPower Wrote:  Why does a whore stop being a whore?

When she re-wires her brain. She literally has to form a new self identity and believe it whole-heartedly.

It's extremely rare but it is possible.

I'm just saying, most people can change if they really want to.

Post: #43

People can't change? Damn.

We should all delete our account and exit the forum then...there's no use reading data sheets or posting threads. Let's all man-up and pick our wives from the surfeit of 30+ chick with BMI's that make them too big for the cock carousel.

Seriously? I the title thread should read "People dont change*, they just use less drugs..."

Like Gmac said, it's takes a lot of consistent effort (writing down your goals, affirmations, visualization etc) but it's possible.

The advocation of the fixed mindset always make me mad. Especially since I've had people telling me things such as(but not limited to) "Maybe you're not meant to be good with women", "You just don't have what it takes to be a rapper", "You shouldn't apply for that job, you're not skilled enough." for years. But I worked my ass off and did all those things.

The idea that people cannot change to me if the bedrock of blue-pill life and is antithetical to existence of the manosphere.

Post: #44

90% of my posts are Mobile so all I have to do is requote Gio and put this

(05-16-2013 04:39 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  It depends how we define change? Right?

I have a very loose definition of "change". I say if a man can go from shy to talkative, he has changed.

Of course, things like genetics can't be changed? Or, can they? I think science is getting pretty close..

With basic learned skills like social skills, people can change, if they WORK really, really hard at it.

If they WORK really, really hard at it Their brain will re-wire itself.

Once your brain has re-wired itself, you have changed.

Like many others have said, most people are just to lazy to put the work in.

I don't mean a few weeks or a few months of hard work, I mean a few years of hard work. That is what it takes to change. Years of dedication and commitment.

I have personally gone thru massive changes. It took years.

(05-12-2013 10:46 PM)Fisto Wrote:  Certain things like IQ, height, dick length etc are not going to change,

Call me crazy, but, I believe all these things can be changed.

IQ?

Take an IQ test. Get your score.

Then, smoke crack and meth for 10 years.

Take the test again. Your score will go down.

Why?

Your brain has changed. When your brain changes, you change.

Take a kid from the jungle. Give him an IQ test. Get the score.

Then, educate him in the modern, western education.

Allow him to study for the test for 8 hours a day.

Take the test again and again.

His scores will go up. His IQ will increase.

Why?

He re-wired his brain.

Height.

Regular stretching and proper posture will get you a few millimeters or more.

Guys are getting surgery nowadays:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/york-man-gr...ZVNs6I-aZg

Diet and nutrition during during developmental years can affect height.

I need to start wearing shoes with a heel.

Are these bad examples?

Dick Length:

I think I added at least an inch with consistent stretching and
"Cockastenics".

Am I out of my mind?

(05-12-2013 11:00 PM)TheCaptainPower Wrote:  Why does a whore stop being a whore?

When she re-wires her brain. She literally has to form a new self identity and believe it whole-heartedly.

It's extremely rare but it is possible.

I'm just saying, most people can change if they really want to.

Post: #45

(05-16-2013 08:05 PM)Goldin Boy Wrote:  People can't change? Damn.

We should all delete our account and exit the forum then...there's no use reading data sheets or posting threads. Let's all man-up and pick our wives from the surfeit of 30+ chick with BMI's that make them too big for the cock carousel.

Seriously? I the title thread should read "People dont change*, they just use less drugs..."

Like Gmac said, it's takes a lot of consistent effort (writing down your goals, affirmations, visualization etc) but it's possible.

The advocation of the fixed mindset always make me mad. Especially since I've had people telling me things such as(but not limited to) "Maybe you're not meant to be good with women", "You just don't have what it takes to be a rapper", "You shouldn't apply for that job, you're not skilled enough." for years. But I worked my ass off and did all those things.

The idea that people cannot change to me if the bedrock of blue-pill life and is antithetical to existence of the manosphere.

Yeah better question to ask is:

Has anyone on this forum Not changed?

Post: #46

(05-16-2013 08:42 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Yeah better question to ask is:

Has anyone on this forum Not changed?

Boom!

Why are any of us here, but to change ourselves and our lives?

To go from getting laid none to getting laid a ton?

To go from feeling clipped to getting ripped?

To go from dressed like a pauper to dressed like a king?

Post: #47

(05-16-2013 09:26 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 08:42 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Yeah better question to ask is:

Has anyone on this forum Not changed?

Boom!

Why are any of us here, but to change ourselves and our lives?

To go from getting laid none to getting laid a ton?

To go from feeling clipped to getting ripped?

To go from dressed like a pauper to dressed like a king?

"Change" is a matter of perception like everything else. It depends whom you ask and what their priorities are. There is no true objectivity. The hamster is everywhere. What is the meaning of change in a matrix within a matrix?

Is "superficial" change still a change? What is the measure for superficiality?

Lemmings will be lemmings, doesn´t matter if they are blue pill lemmings or red pill lemmings. Though I could be wrong, too.

Post: #48

(05-17-2013 06:11 AM)Bill Wrote:  "Change" is a matter of perception like everything else. It depends whom you ask and what their priorities are. There is no true objectivity. The hamster is everywhere. What is the meaning of change in a matrix within a matrix?

Is "superficial" change still a change? What is the measure for superficiality?

Lemmings will be lemmings, doesn´t matter if they are blue pill lemmings or red pill lemmings. Though I could be wrong, too.

You are correct. I do not dispute your arguments about the nature of change and what it is.

I am just saying - the whole point of this forum is that people are not happy with the status quo and seek to change it. Either they change themselves or their environment. Usually some combination of both.

But often people find that when they find the strength, the drive, and the know how to change their surroundings, they find that they themselves are not quite the same person they used to be.

This thread is the anti-thesis to the existence of this forum.

Wald

Post: #49

(05-17-2013 06:23 AM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 06:11 AM)Bill Wrote:  "Change" is a matter of perception like everything else. It depends whom you ask and what their priorities are. There is no true objectivity. The hamster is everywhere. What is the meaning of change in a matrix within a matrix?

Is "superficial" change still a change? What is the measure for superficiality?

Lemmings will be lemmings, doesn´t matter if they are blue pill lemmings or red pill lemmings. Though I could be wrong, too.

You are correct. I do not dispute your arguments about the nature of change and what it is.

I am just saying - the whole point of this forum is that people are not happy with the status quo and seek to change it. Either they change themselves or their environment. Usually some combination of both.

But often people find that when they find the strength, the drive, and the know how to change their surroundings, they find that they themselves are not quite the same person they used to be.

This thread is the anti-thesis to the existence of this forum.

Wald

I don´t know, there are many guys specially lurkers who just think I could get some tips to be better with women and that´s it. Usually you got hooked to a hobby or in this case the forum and things go their way. Things aren´t as black and white as how it is sometimes hyped.

The successful players were mostly players before "game" like "fisto" for example.

To put it in a philosophical way: you don´t choose game, game chooses you.

Don´t forget that MGTOW is also a part of this forum imho.

Though, overall your right.

Post: #50

I bet every man on this forum has changed to a certain degree.