Post: #51

@rudebwoy

i'm gonna take the highroad.

i have no ill feelings towards you. i really don't. i think alot of good info was shared in this thread. but i look foward to this journey because i have confidence in myself.

infact i appreciate your perspective. and i will keep my eyes wide open when i come up there and i will look for all the red flags you are telling me about.

and as for your insults, well...i can honestly say that your username is well deserved. but like i said earlier, good luck to you man, i hope you find what you are looking for wherever it is your end up! thanks for sharing your point of view. i would rather get insulted and get possible useful info as opposed to not getting any information.

good luck to you man!

Post: #52

@ hayesbrandon30

I totally understand where you're coming from since I'm black too and kind of a good natured persons that positive and is attracted to non black women. It's good to be that way in life... but NOT in dating and I'll tell you why... especially in you want to just step in foot in TO. This will be a bit long, but I fee you need it.

I came from Montreal since I was not feeling fully comfortable woth the Haitians group which I am and the Quebequers as well, and I'm comfortable in English. I came to TO to visit and I saw these women and said DAMMMN these girl are HOT in the way that I like. Then I said to myself what if these women look like this... and are as Nice as the Quebec women ( since it's still Canada right ) then it's a winning deal for me to get laid AND have a good life.

Then I moved in and started interacting with the DAMMMn she's hot women... and I was gettng rejected, but no big deal since it's a numbers game right! But then it kept on happening EVEN after they were clearly attracted, and after giving me their numbers and going on dates. I was a beta chump un MTL and was still getting good results back then. So of course I said to myself that it was my fault and needed to work on my game to get better. Then I had some good results in Toronto... from women that were NOT born in Toronto!! Then went back to approching and getting rejected AND not having fun... from women it TO.

Then I got my first job here and started reading this blog on TO... then it cliked in my mind. Since I'm from french speaking Montreal, I never REALLY knew what feminism was all about. In my mind I just knew that Women wanted equal pay for equal work and thats it. You can read the blog returnofkings.com in you want more info, but feminism IS the reason you started this thread about moving out of DC. Well, I've got bad news for you since Toronto is the CAPITAL of feminism in NORTH AMERICA!! Even more that your local DC. People are not as violent in appearence, but passive-agressiveness in king here. WOMEN run Toronto fully. You can read the blog roll of KOSKO as he has explained the way they run it so well on this forum.

The competition for these DAAMN women that I saw, and that you've seen is OUT OF THIS WORLD. These women are so in demand that they have SO MANY GUYS after them. Keep in mind that TORONTO is one of the capital of facebook and online dating. These women have guys throwing money at them it's insane. Even the super attractive and rich white men are struggling here to keep these DAAMN women without thowring mad money at them ( watch this to link to get an idea, this is feminism at full force, and keep in ming that ALL of the participant of this show are from TO: http://www.slice.ca/videocenter/princess...ess/video.

This is called Hypergamy. And since women run TO, they will always ask more and more until you can't anymore. As a black man, the odds of you gettin these women, especially since you seem to like em slim and feminine, are so slimm that it's crazy to even try. Forget about bringing a women here since she will get infected, just like in DC believe me. I and the other members a begging you to just forget about TO NO MATTER WHAT, The nice appearence got to me, but it's just on the surface, it just the passive nature of canadians. It is just like or worse that DC since feminism is in place like in DC.

This is getting to long man! I fee that you're coming from the right place and that's why were all trying to help you. But man don't do what I did and move here to get the lifestyle that you wrote as the reason for you're thread since this mistake would cost you a LOT. PM of you want since I've got way more than this.

Post: #53

(05-18-2013 10:21 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  @ hayesbrandon30

I totally understand where you're coming from since I'm black too and kind of a good natured persons that positive and is attracted to non black women. It's good to be that way in life... but NOT in dating and I'll tell you why... especially in you want to just step in foot in TO. This will be a bit long, but I fee you need it.

I came from Montreal since I was not feeling fully comfortable woth the Haitians group which I am and the Quebequers as well, and I'm comfortable in English. I came to TO to visit and I saw these women and said DAMMMN these girl are HOT in the way that I like. Then I said to myself what if these women look like this... and are as Nice as the Quebec women ( since it's still Canada right ) then it's a winning deal for me to get laid AND have a good life.

Then I moved in and started interacting with the DAMMMn she's hot women... and I was gettng rejected, but no big deal since it's a numbers game right! But then it kept on happening EVEN after they were clearly attracted, and after giving me their numbers and going on dates. I was a beta chump un MTL and was still getting good results back then. So of course I said to myself that it was my fault and needed to work on my game to get better. Then I had some good results in Toronto... from women that were NOT born in Toronto!! Then went back to approching and getting rejected AND not having fun... from women it TO.

Then I got my first job here and started reading this blog on TO... then it cliked in my mind. Since I'm from french speaking Montreal, I never REALLY knew what feminism was all about. In my mind I just knew that Women wanted equal pay for equal work and thats it. You can read the blog returnofkings.com in you want more info, but feminism IS the reason you started this thread about moving out of DC. Well, I've got bad news for you since Toronto is the CAPITAL of feminism in NORTH AMERICA!! Even more that your local DC. People are not as violent in appearence, but passive-agressiveness in king here. WOMEN run Toronto fully. You can read the blog roll of KOSKO as he has explained the way they run it so well on this forum.

The competition for these DAAMN women that I saw, and that you've seen is OUT OF THIS WORLD. These women are so in demand that they have SO MANY GUYS after them. Keep in mind that TORONTO is one of the capital of facebook and online dating. These women have guys throwing money at them it's insane. Even the super attractive and rich white men are struggling here to keep these DAAMN women without thowring mad money at them ( watch this to link to get an idea, this is feminism at full force, and keep in ming that ALL of the participant of this show are from TO: http://www.slice.ca/videocenter/princess...ess/video.

This is called Hypergamy. And since women run TO, they will always ask more and more until you can't anymore. As a black man, the odds of you gettin these women, especially since you seem to like em slim and feminine, are so slimm that it's crazy to even try. Forget about bringing a women here since she will get infected, just like in DC believe me. I and the other members a begging you to just forget about TO NO MATTER WHAT, The nice appearence got to me, but it's just on the surface, it just the passive nature of canadians. It is just like or worse that DC since feminism is in place like in DC.

This is getting to long man! I fee that you're coming from the right place and that's why were all trying to help you. But man don't do what I did and move here to get the lifestyle that you wrote as the reason for you're thread since this mistake would cost you a LOT. PM of you want since I've got way more than this.

thank you for your sympathetic / respectful point of view. since you came at me with a respectful-understanding tone and put it that way, i will re-think my plan and consider other places.

i'll defintely PM you with more questions. thank you. so all the hype about toronto being a diverse melting pot is just false propaganda. wow. the way you describe rich white men fighting over left-overs women. damn. that sounds just like DC. okay. women coming here and getting infected with feminism. ok now you have my attention.

thanks for understanding where i'm coming from instead being insulting.

Post: #54

(05-18-2013 10:21 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  @ hayesbrandon30

I totally understand where you're coming from since I'm black too and kind of a good natured persons that positive and is attracted to non black women. It's good to be that way in life... but NOT in dating and I'll tell you why... especially in you want to just step in foot in TO. This will be a bit long, but I fee you need it.

I came from Montreal since I was not feeling fully comfortable woth the Haitians group which I am and the Quebequers as well, and I'm comfortable in English. I came to TO to visit and I saw these women and said DAMMMN these girl are HOT in the way that I like. Then I said to myself what if these women look like this... and are as Nice as the Quebec women ( since it's still Canada right ) then it's a winning deal for me to get laid AND have a good life.

Then I moved in and started interacting with the DAMMMn she's hot women... and I was gettng rejected, but no big deal since it's a numbers game right! But then it kept on happening EVEN after they were clearly attracted, and after giving me their numbers and going on dates. I was a beta chump un MTL and was still getting good results back then. So of course I said to myself that it was my fault and needed to work on my game to get better. Then I had some good results in Toronto... from women that were NOT born in Toronto!! Then went back to approching and getting rejected AND not having fun... from women it TO.

Then I got my first job here and started reading this blog on TO... then it cliked in my mind. Since I'm from french speaking Montreal, I never REALLY knew what feminism was all about. In my mind I just knew that Women wanted equal pay for equal work and thats it. You can read the blog returnofkings.com in you want more info, but feminism IS the reason you started this thread about moving out of DC. Well, I've got bad news for you since Toronto is the CAPITAL of feminism in NORTH AMERICA!! Even more that your local DC. People are not as violent in appearence, but passive-agressiveness in king here. WOMEN run Toronto fully. You can read the blog roll of KOSKO as he has explained the way they run it so well on this forum.

The competition for these DAAMN women that I saw, and that you've seen is OUT OF THIS WORLD. These women are so in demand that they have SO MANY GUYS after them. Keep in mind that TORONTO is one of the capital of facebook and online dating. These women have guys throwing money at them it's insane. Even the super attractive and rich white men are struggling here to keep these DAAMN women without thowring mad money at them ( watch this to link to get an idea, this is feminism at full force, and keep in ming that ALL of the participant of this show are from TO: http://www.slice.ca/videocenter/princess...ess/video.

This is called Hypergamy. And since women run TO, they will always ask more and more until you can't anymore. As a black man, the odds of you gettin these women, especially since you seem to like em slim and feminine, are so slimm that it's crazy to even try. Forget about bringing a women here since she will get infected, just like in DC believe me. I and the other members a begging you to just forget about TO NO MATTER WHAT, The nice appearence got to me, but it's just on the surface, it just the passive nature of canadians. It is just like or worse that DC since feminism is in place like in DC.

This is getting to long man! I fee that you're coming from the right place and that's why were all trying to help you. But man don't do what I did and move here to get the lifestyle that you wrote as the reason for you're thread since this mistake would cost you a LOT. PM of you want since I've got way more than this.

Captain Gh, welcome to the forum, could you please break down your experiences with the Haitian women of Mtl and why you were not comfortable with them. In particular, do you think that these said femmes Haitiennes would be down for some east coast white boy D?

Post: #55

i just don't understand why the canadian news media tries promote toronto, canada to being this multi-racial utopia when i guess its not.






i will still go and visit to scout the place. but i guess i really do need to look at other places too.

Post: #56

(05-18-2013 12:31 PM)hayesbrandon30 Wrote:  i just don't understand why the canadian news media tries promote toronto, canada to being this multi-racial utopia when i guess its not.






i will still go and visit to scout the place. but i guess i really do need to look at other places too.

I can't recommend my home province of Nova Scotia as a place to move if you're seeking a place of racial tolerance.

Post: #57

http://www.futurescopes.com/finding-date...number-men

Wow this report has DC listed number #3 as the best place in America to meet single women, Roosh must be lying.

Post: #58

I used to go to Nova Scotia a lot for a lizard. I found Nova Scotia to contradict what Canada promotes. It reminded of the US equivalent of Alabama, Mississippi etc. There was a clear division between the blacks and whites, prejudice (which I experienced on my visits and which frankly confused me).

I used to visit Halifax at least four times a year for two-three weeks a pop. Now although Nova Scotia has the largest amount of indigenous Canadian blacks (blacks that are not of immediate African or Caribbean descent), the segregation was quite crazy there.

Now the East Canadians are definitely polite but would I live in Nova Scotia?

The overcast weather plus the backward race relations plus lack of skilled jobs (to my perspective) equalled a no. My lizard wanted me to move there and I thought for what? Apart from the great seafood, there was no other lure.

Now Scotian, how come such a large percent of peeps from Nova Scotia are pimps and hos???! Wassupwiddat?

Post: #59

) Just as diverse (on a night out in the Plateau you'll meet women from just about every European country)

Which clubs or bars man? And I'm not talking about the french girls from France

Post: #60

Toronto is not as bad as some people here make it out to be.

It is harder for some of the reasons already stated, as opposed to your average North American large city. But the variety here is amazing.

Summer weather is fantastic here, and night life is abundant. Although most places are full of guys (even more so than usual), there are plenty of young, hot girls. Most guys are chodes and cannot compete with you if you have at least a basic level of game anyways.

Combine solid inner game with desire to approach and succeed and you can do fine here.

Post: #61

(05-18-2013 01:03 PM)Moma Wrote:  I used to go to Nova Scotia a lot for a lizard. I found Nova Scotia to contradict what Canada promotes. It reminded of the US equivalent of Alabama, Mississippi etc. There was a clear division between the blacks and whites, prejudice (which I experienced on my visits and which frankly confused me).

I used to visit Halifax at least four times a year for two-three weeks a pop. Now although Nova Scotia has the largest amount of indigenous Canadian blacks (blacks that are not of immediate African or Caribbean descent), the segregation was quite crazy there.

Now the East Canadians are definitely polite but would I live in Nova Scotia?

The overcast weather plus the backward race relations plus lack of skilled jobs (to my perspective) equalled a no. My lizard wanted me to move there and I thought for what? Apart from the great seafood, there was no other lure.

Now Scotian, how come such a large percent of peeps from Nova Scotia are pimps and hos???! Wassupwiddat?

Good call on not settling in NS, its a great place to visit and I'm proud of where I"m from (mostly) but its not a great place for a young person, especially an ambitious one. There's definitely a defeatist attitude down there and crab-in-the-bucket mentality, I see it every time I go home among my family and friends.

As for race relations, NS is definitely different than the rest of Canada in that regard, most Canadians don't even know about our black population that have been there since shortly after the American Revolution and war of 1812. I have a black friend from NS who's working out in Alberta and he's always putting people in their place when they ask where he's from, it goes something like this

Random Albertan: So where are you from?
My friend: Nova Scotia
Random Albertan: Oh I didn't know there's black people in NS, but where are you really from, like your parents?
My friend: Nova Scotia, my family has been in NS since the 18th century, a lot longer than your Ukrainian ass!

Whenever I hear people talking about Canada as if its some kind of post-racial utopia, I know they're not talking about Nova Scotia because the experience of the local blacks there hasn't been an easy one. Listen to this CBC reporter dropping the N-bomb at the end of this clip:

Post: #62

Quote:) Just as diverse (on a night out in the Plateau you'll meet women from just about every European country)

Which clubs or bars man? And I'm not talking about the french girls from France

Quote:Toronto is not as bad as some people here make it out to be.

It is harder for some of the reasons already stated, as opposed to your average North American large city. But the variety here is amazing.

Summer weather is fantastic here, and night life is abundant. Although most places are full of guys (even more so than usual), there are plenty of young, hot girls. Most guys are chodes and cannot compete with you if you have at least a basic level of game anyways.

Combine solid inner game with desire to approach and succeed and you can do fine here.

once again here is the encouraging advice as opposed to the negative advice. i guess the only way to find out is to see it myself.

thanks to everyone that contributed to this thread. i learned alot.

Post: #63

(05-18-2013 11:17 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  Toronto is not as bad as some people here make it out to be.

It is harder for some of the reasons already stated, as opposed to your average North American large city. But the variety here is amazing.

Summer weather is fantastic here, and night life is abundant. Although most places are full of guys (even more so than usual), there are plenty of young, hot girls. Most guys are chodes and cannot compete with you if you have at least a basic level of game anyways.

Combine solid inner game with desire to approach and succeed and you can do fine here.

/thread-17402-...#pid299570

No offense but aren't you 19?

Have you actually travelled anywhere, to make a comparison to Toronto?

Post: #64

(05-19-2013 01:12 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 11:17 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  Toronto is not as bad as some people here make it out to be.

It is harder for some of the reasons already stated, as opposed to your average North American large city. But the variety here is amazing.

Summer weather is fantastic here, and night life is abundant. Although most places are full of guys (even more so than usual), there are plenty of young, hot girls. Most guys are chodes and cannot compete with you if you have at least a basic level of game anyways.

Combine solid inner game with desire to approach and succeed and you can do fine here.

/thread-17402-...#pid299570

No offense but aren't you 19?

Have you actually travelled anywhere, to make a comparison to Toronto?

Yeah brother I am 19, turning 20 in a couple months.

I have never been to Europe, or the US (besides Niagara Falls). I am Brazilian and am born there, but raised here. So although I do have a very South American look, my English is near perfect and in the winter months when I am not tanned I blend in and don't look foreign.

The only place outside of Canada I have been is Brazil, and the last time being 3 years ago. I wasn't really gaming at that point. I am going back for a month this summer.

Having said that, yes, most of my experiences are from Toronto areas. I live just outside the core and most of my night game experiences are in the nearby cities, not actually in the core. But the city I frequent often for clubs/bars is 700+ people, with a university and college, and abundant night life. Very similar to Toronto.

I notice in Toronto when I am there, during the day there are hot girls everywhere in the spring/summer. And most of them that are 19-25 look good. It is not until after that age that it steadily declines, and girls start to look fat and not dress properly.

During the day, besides the very small percentage of pickup guys as opposed to the large number of guys on the streets, these girls DO NOT GET APPROACHED. So when you do approach them, it is easy. Numbers are easy, seeing them again is obviously a smaller percentage. But with increasing game, increasing amounts of dates obviously.

I don't have large sample data from Toronto. I have done maybe 200 approaches in this city. And most of them were just me being aloof, and practicing chatting with girls I found extremely attractive, to work on my confidence and comfortability around them. I lost my virginity from a girl I met during day game, that is 2 years older than me. She is a cute half asian, and I met her downtown.

I also met another girl, that is 23 and works HR downtown Toronto. She is obsessed with buying shoes and expensive clothing. She drove halfway to see me after a 5 minute conversation at the mall, and some texting from me. I had two dates with her and they were definetly good experiences, despite me not getting the bang. But that was due to another sticking point I had at the time. Still, a girl that works downtown, makes enough to sustain herself, is surrounded by supplicating men in the workplace, goes out and gets hit on by a bunch of chodes drove to see me.

I've had some harsh experiences approaching in Toronto, yes. But most of the time my experiences are good. Inner game is what prevails here. My approaches are usually direct and I screen hard, so I make sure that if she does see me again she knows what is up, as opposed to other guys that she has met in Toronto who are afraid to make their intentions clear.

I still have a lot to work on, so my results will get better with time.

I'm not sure if the seemingly positive experiences I have had have to do with my South American look. From feedback I am good looking and am reasonably fit, despite not being tall.

Anyways, bottom line is, I'm sure there are incredible places I have yet to go to and interact with the girls that live there, but Toronto is still a great place. In the spring/summer. I'm sure I'm missing out on some by not having traveled extensively yet, but Toronto really does get a lot of hate.

I'm short on time right now so I hope I was clear with what I was saying there.

Post: #65

(05-18-2013 12:26 PM)scotian Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:21 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  @ hayesbrandon30

I totally understand where you're coming from since I'm black too and kind of a good natured persons that positive and is attracted to non black women. It's good to be that way in life... but NOT in dating and I'll tell you why... especially in you want to just step in foot in TO. This will be a bit long, but I fee you need it.

I came from Montreal since I was not feeling fully comfortable woth the Haitians group which I am and the Quebequers as well, and I'm comfortable in English. I came to TO to visit and I saw these women and said DAMMMN these girl are HOT in the way that I like. Then I said to myself what if these women look like this... and are as Nice as the Quebec women ( since it's still Canada right ) then it's a winning deal for me to get laid AND have a good life.

Then I moved in and started interacting with the DAMMMn she's hot women... and I was gettng rejected, but no big deal since it's a numbers game right! But then it kept on happening EVEN after they were clearly attracted, and after giving me their numbers and going on dates. I was a beta chump un MTL and was still getting good results back then. So of course I said to myself that it was my fault and needed to work on my game to get better. Then I had some good results in Toronto... from women that were NOT born in Toronto!! Then went back to approching and getting rejected AND not having fun... from women it TO.

Then I got my first job here and started reading this blog on TO... then it cliked in my mind. Since I'm from french speaking Montreal, I never REALLY knew what feminism was all about. In my mind I just knew that Women wanted equal pay for equal work and thats it. You can read the blog returnofkings.com in you want more info, but feminism IS the reason you started this thread about moving out of DC. Well, I've got bad news for you since Toronto is the CAPITAL of feminism in NORTH AMERICA!! Even more that your local DC. People are not as violent in appearence, but passive-agressiveness in king here. WOMEN run Toronto fully. You can read the blog roll of KOSKO as he has explained the way they run it so well on this forum.

The competition for these DAAMN women that I saw, and that you've seen is OUT OF THIS WORLD. These women are so in demand that they have SO MANY GUYS after them. Keep in mind that TORONTO is one of the capital of facebook and online dating. These women have guys throwing money at them it's insane. Even the super attractive and rich white men are struggling here to keep these DAAMN women without thowring mad money at them ( watch this to link to get an idea, this is feminism at full force, and keep in ming that ALL of the participant of this show are from TO: http://www.slice.ca/videocenter/princess...ess/video.

This is called Hypergamy. And since women run TO, they will always ask more and more until you can't anymore. As a black man, the odds of you gettin these women, especially since you seem to like em slim and feminine, are so slimm that it's crazy to even try. Forget about bringing a women here since she will get infected, just like in DC believe me. I and the other members a begging you to just forget about TO NO MATTER WHAT, The nice appearence got to me, but it's just on the surface, it just the passive nature of canadians. It is just like or worse that DC since feminism is in place like in DC.

This is getting to long man! I fee that you're coming from the right place and that's why were all trying to help you. But man don't do what I did and move here to get the lifestyle that you wrote as the reason for you're thread since this mistake would cost you a LOT. PM of you want since I've got way more than this.

Captain Gh, welcome to the forum, could you please break down your experiences with the Haitian women of Mtl and why you were not comfortable with them. In particular, do you think that these said femmes Haitiennes would be down for some east coast white boy D?

@ Scotian

That's a really good question. In MTL, it's a completely different vibe then in the English speaking sphere. When it comes to Black women in MTL, either you have to be a church boy or a kind of hip hop swag boy. Really nothing wrong with that. That's just the way it is. And the women are in general good women too, but in my case I'm more of a loner/intellectual whose pretty much been influence by the English side of MTL that the French side. So those 2 elements, combined with the fact that my mom pretty much owned the balls of my dad and that I'm exactly like him, is kind of a melting pot for not fitting in well in MTL.

And now back to your situation, as a white guy you will be at first pegged as a provider kind of guy. That will be your way in to talk to them. I do hope that you speak French fluently, if not you can just skip the black women and focus on downtown MTL/Westmont white girls.

If you do speak French, you need to have a hip hop vibe ( kind of like the guy in the red cap:

then you could really kill with tight game. In MTL clubs, you need to have a group for these women. If you're rolling solo, I would stick to daygame in the East part of MTL (Riviere Des Prairies and Montreal-Nord and also lots of cheap motel) Without speaking French, don't even try to go past Downtown MTL as you will really just waste your time and stick to clubs and Daygame at Mcgill college. With French and tight game and hip hop vibe you can definitely bang if you're willing to work (3-4 dates)

Post: #66

(05-18-2013 11:17 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  Toronto is not as bad as some people here make it out to be.

It is harder for some of the reasons already stated, as opposed to your average North American large city. But the variety here is amazing.

Summer weather is fantastic here, and night life is abundant. Although most places are full of guys (even more so than usual), there are plenty of young, hot girls. Most guys are chodes and cannot compete with you if you have at least a basic level of game anyways.

Combine solid inner game with desire to approach and succeed and you can do fine here.

There are hot girls in Toronto, especially when you hit places like Bloke and 4th(Playboy models and hotties all over), but you do need to know what you are doing. If you go out a lot, and establish yourself in the nightlife scene here I don't see why you wouldn't do well.

Still though, a place like Montreal is far superior but Toronto is a great training ground. Get a cheap place downtown for logistics and you'll have a far easier job in terms of logistics. There's summer student housing at U of T which is pretty affordable.

Post: #67

(05-18-2013 12:31 PM)hayesbrandon30 Wrote:  i just don't understand why the canadian news media tries promote toronto, canada to being this multi-racial utopia when i guess its not.






i will still go and visit to scout the place. but i guess i really do need to look at other places too.

It's not that this clip is totally wrong, it's just that it's great for more traditional families like the Asians that are in Markham of the Pakistans that are in Scarborough. These cultures have a deep traditions of Male Respect where the role of the Father is seen as irreplacable. They most likely will never get get influenced by the Extreme feminism that's here since there's a close bond to the children where the father is valued and divorce almost never happens.

It's also a great city for women since they are valued beyond mesures. By attracting all the super rich from the other provinces/countries, Toronto remains a financial powerhouse where these men are competing with the women by throwing mad money at them and working 65-70 hours/ week. Walk around the Eaton Centre in the morning when you come take a look and see the dead zombies walking around. As a man you have to fit in that Provider mold that's polite and has a good paying job if not you won't be really valued.

Outside of cultures where Male kindness and leadership is not in question, a permanent move here will create problems for you, especially as a single men. For instance I did some Daygame around the Eaton Centre while sitting on a Bench park, and the women was laughing al the way and enjoying it. Then I made some statements, and said that I was asking Stalker Questions.

She was a graduate at Ryerson, and that's a Toronto hot women being influenced by feminism. She has a deep down belief that unconscioulsly I could become a dangerous caveman since I was trying to talk to her by being attractive, which is what she likes by nature. It's not that she rejected me, it's how she rejected me, by using this arguments at least 3 times, in a public park at 2 pm She was enjoying our chat, but her logical frame of mind was that I might be a stalker and that Toronto is a very dangerous city.

Her Feminist beliefs were in a fight against her emotional instincs, and that's why she stuck around for a 20 minutes conversation with a potential rapist Granted this is a worse case scenario, but Toronto is the king city for this mentality. Definitely come and take a look, but brace yourself since you'll think that you never left DC.

Post: #68

(05-19-2013 01:47 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 01:12 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 11:17 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  Toronto is not as bad as some people here make it out to be.

It is harder for some of the reasons already stated, as opposed to your average North American large city. But the variety here is amazing.

Summer weather is fantastic here, and night life is abundant. Although most places are full of guys (even more so than usual), there are plenty of young, hot girls. Most guys are chodes and cannot compete with you if you have at least a basic level of game anyways.

Combine solid inner game with desire to approach and succeed and you can do fine here.

/thread-17402-...#pid299570

No offense but aren't you 19?

Have you actually travelled anywhere, to make a comparison to Toronto?

Yeah brother I am 19, turning 20 in a couple months.

I have never been to Europe, or the US (besides Niagara Falls). I am Brazilian and am born there, but raised here. So although I do have a very South American look, my English is near perfect and in the winter months when I am not tanned I blend in and don't look foreign.

The only place outside of Canada I have been is Brazil, and the last time being 3 years ago. I wasn't really gaming at that point. I am going back for a month this summer.

Having said that, yes, most of my experiences are from Toronto areas. I live just outside the core and most of my night game experiences are in the nearby cities, not actually in the core. But the city I frequent often for clubs/bars is 700+ people, with a university and college, and abundant night life. Very similar to Toronto.

I notice in Toronto when I am there, during the day there are hot girls everywhere in the spring/summer. And most of them that are 19-25 look good. It is not until after that age that it steadily declines, and girls start to look fat and not dress properly.

During the day, besides the very small percentage of pickup guys as opposed to the large number of guys on the streets, these girls DO NOT GET APPROACHED. So when you do approach them, it is easy. Numbers are easy, seeing them again is obviously a smaller percentage. But with increasing game, increasing amounts of dates obviously.

I don't have large sample data from Toronto. I have done maybe 200 approaches in this city. And most of them were just me being aloof, and practicing chatting with girls I found extremely attractive, to work on my confidence and comfortability around them. I lost my virginity from a girl I met during day game, that is 2 years older than me. She is a cute half asian, and I met her downtown.

I also met another girl, that is 23 and works HR downtown Toronto. She is obsessed with buying shoes and expensive clothing. She drove halfway to see me after a 5 minute conversation at the mall, and some texting from me. I had two dates with her and they were definetly good experiences, despite me not getting the bang. But that was due to another sticking point I had at the time. Still, a girl that works downtown, makes enough to sustain herself, is surrounded by supplicating men in the workplace, goes out and gets hit on by a bunch of chodes drove to see me.

I've had some harsh experiences approaching in Toronto, yes. But most of the time my experiences are good. Inner game is what prevails here. My approaches are usually direct and I screen hard, so I make sure that if she does see me again she knows what is up, as opposed to other guys that she has met in Toronto who are afraid to make their intentions clear.

I still have a lot to work on, so my results will get better with time.

I'm not sure if the seemingly positive experiences I have had have to do with my South American look. From feedback I am good looking and am reasonably fit, despite not being tall.

Anyways, bottom line is, I'm sure there are incredible places I have yet to go to and interact with the girls that live there, but Toronto is still a great place. In the spring/summer. I'm sure I'm missing out on some by not having traveled extensively yet, but Toronto really does get a lot of hate.

I'm short on time right now so I hope I was clear with what I was saying there.

@ Nascimento

I totally get where you're coming from since I lost my virginity too from daygame in Toronto. Your young and you're still in that honeymoon stage of daygame, which is really fun playa!!

Keep on having fun, but make sure to plan for the future since after your honeymoon phase with daygame will die out, you will realise that keeping these women is the really hard part of Toronto in your 30's since they love to bang an Alpha with your looks, but want to be spoiled by a Beta like your HR lady. And if you don't want to be that Beta guy that will buy her the world in Toronto, she will have a waiting list of suitors. And even Game can't beat that. That's when she will leave. But you don't need to worry about that now. Just enjoy!!

And with you're level of game and your Brazilian look, believe me that if you go Miami, you won't think that TO is that great anymore

Post: #69

Quote:Yeah brother I am 19, turning 20 in a couple months.

I have never been to Europe, or the US (besides Niagara Falls). I am Brazilian and am born there, but raised here. So although I do have a very South American look, my English is near perfect and in the winter months when I am not tanned I blend in and don't look foreign.

The only place outside of Canada I have been is Brazil, and the last time being 3 years ago. I wasn't really gaming at that point. I am going back for a month this summer.

Having said that, yes, most of my experiences are from Toronto areas. I live just outside the core and most of my night game experiences are in the nearby cities, not actually in the core. But the city I frequent often for clubs/bars is 700+ people, with a university and college, and abundant night life. Very similar to Toronto.

I notice in Toronto when I am there, during the day there are hot girls everywhere in the spring/summer. And most of them that are 19-25 look good. It is not until after that age that it steadily declines, and girls start to look fat and not dress properly.

During the day, besides the very small percentage of pickup guys as opposed to the large number of guys on the streets, these girls DO NOT GET APPROACHED. So when you do approach them, it is easy. Numbers are easy, seeing them again is obviously a smaller percentage. But with increasing game, increasing amounts of dates obviously.

I don't have large sample data from Toronto. I have done maybe 200 approaches in this city. And most of them were just me being aloof, and practicing chatting with girls I found extremely attractive, to work on my confidence and comfortability around them. I lost my virginity from a girl I met during day game, that is 2 years older than me. She is a cute half asian, and I met her downtown.

I also met another girl, that is 23 and works HR downtown Toronto. She is obsessed with buying shoes and expensive clothing. She drove halfway to see me after a 5 minute conversation at the mall, and some texting from me. I had two dates with her and they were definetly good experiences, despite me not getting the bang. But that was due to another sticking point I had at the time. Still, a girl that works downtown, makes enough to sustain herself, is surrounded by supplicating men in the workplace, goes out and gets hit on by a bunch of chodes drove to see me.

I've had some harsh experiences approaching in Toronto, yes. But most of the time my experiences are good. Inner game is what prevails here. My approaches are usually direct and I screen hard, so I make sure that if she does see me again she knows what is up, as opposed to other guys that she has met in Toronto who are afraid to make their intentions clear.

I still have a lot to work on, so my results will get better with time.

I'm not sure if the seemingly positive experiences I have had have to do with my South American look. From feedback I am good looking and am reasonably fit, despite not being tall.

Anyways, bottom line is, I'm sure there are incredible places I have yet to go to and interact with the girls that live there, but Toronto is still a great place. In the spring/summer. I'm sure I'm missing out on some by not having traveled extensively yet, but Toronto really does get a lot of hate.

I'm short on time right now so I hope I was clear with what I was saying there.

solid arguement. you support your argument well with facts and you don't just mix facts up with personal bias/personal failure. you have decent game, a positive attitude, and you're younger, good looking and you put effort into what you do and you get laid.

like i said earlier, i think its amazing to hear the positive optimistic and negative pessimistic views.

what do you say to a man who wants to live there to be around the more accepting multicultural aspect of Toronto and not go there just to get easy lays ? is multiculturalism of toronto just hype?






because i just want to be in a place where i won't have to deal with this type of anger and in america its impossible to escape this:

Post: #70

From the topic of this thread, i'd say Toronto is diverse in a certain way. If you compare Toronto to a city like New York, personally just from the eye test New York seems much more diverse than Toronto does. Toronto has diversity in that, yeah there are a lot of different type of Europeans that live here. But, when it comes to visible diversity of color in my opinion Toronto isn't really that diverse. That's just from my eye test, that's not digging deep into the numbers and details. To me Diversity is something I can see and feel, not just something that's stats driven.

And getting to points other guys were making in here about Toronto not being that bad. Well i've stated it before that Toronto has fallen damn near off the map for me as in a place a single guy should come to meet fun, exciting, care free women that want men. That ship sailed some 10 years ago, that's over. I just traveled to a few smaller cities outside of Toronto and have had a ball. People were nice and friendly, the girls seemed more wholesome and genuine. The women i've had good dealings within Toronto have been from Vancouver, Calgary, & Montreal. I've given up on Toronto women, and just try to meet women that aren't from here or just travel to other cities within Canada. Just gotta fine tune your game plan and go with it.

And as for Captain Gh, talking about getting these so called "hot women". Those chicks just cake on the makeup, and a lot of those extra done up hot girls are broke, living with mommy & daddy. Or are strippers, or escorts or something. Come to the club 4 deep in a honda civic, but hop out the car lookin like a million bucks. It's all an illusion. LOL!!

Post: #71

(05-19-2013 03:27 PM)Captain Gh Wrote:  @ Nascimento

I totally get where you're coming from since I lost my virginity too from daygame in Toronto. Your young and you're still in that honeymoon stage of daygame, which is really fun playa!!

Keep on having fun, but make sure to plan for the future since after your honeymoon phase with daygame will die out, you will realise that keeping these women is the really hard part of Toronto in your 30's since they love to bang an Alpha with your looks, but want to be spoiled by a Beta like your HR lady. And if you don't want to be that Beta guy that will buy her the world in Toronto, she will have a waiting list of suitors. And even Game can't beat that. That's when she will leave. But you don't need to worry about that now. Just enjoy!!

And with you're level of game and your Brazilian look, believe me that if you go Miami, you won't think that TO is that great anymore

It's funny you mention Miami, because on my way to Brazil this summer I am stopping by Miami for 4 days in August.

Unfortunately I won't be able to dive into the nightlife, as I am not 21. But I am looking forward to trying out some daygame and visiting the beach and downtown areas to see what kind of reception I get.

Post: #72

Even in DC, there are people who do well (Gmac, VK, UrbanNerd, Roosh before he left) and people who live very rewarding lives. I suggest you do the best you can, enjoy your life and let other people wallow in how bad things are.

Post: #73

This is by far the most ridiculous thread i have seen here. Toronto is the worst big city in the western world to be a guy. Virtually any man with a set of balls says so. There are exceptions: Guy is 17-21, just started game and hasn't been anywhere...

If you dont care about getting laid, then why are you here?

If this is the case then i highly recommend Toronto because not only will you be unsuccessful with women but you sound like a guy that enjoys the failure of other men --- in which case Toronto is perfect for you. You won't be "distracted" by attractive women because they are rare. You will settle with a mediocre chubby girl and won't even know it because no one will tell you(politically correctness = USA * 10)

All this because you would rather have "behind your back" racism then the one you experience in US.

GOOD LUCK!