Post: #26

Tim Ferriss testosterone protocol claims to increase his testosterone level up to 300%:

http://www.4hourlife.com/2011/03/11/test...eat-sheet/

However, some guy tried it and didn't get the same result, ony 13%:

http://www.4hourlife.com/2012/09/24/does...ody-story/

Post: #27

I couldn't find a purely TRT thread, so I'll just post here.

Required reading (and listening):
http://dangerandplay.com/2013/11/12/test...erapy-trt/
http://dangerandplay.com/2014/02/24/test...t-podcast/
http://dangerandplay.com/2014/02/28/bloo...one-level/

Before TRT

I had been struggling for a while...until that post from D&P on 11/12 finally kicked me over the edge. I finally decided that I had to change because I couldn't keep going like I was.

On the advice of another forum member (thread starter), I went to an endocrinologist that understood these things. Everything I write is done under the supervision of a doctor, so this is not self-medicating "bro science" or whatever.

Had my test levels measured at 8 am, which is the peak test level for the day apparently.

Pre-TRT: total test 365 ng/mL, free test 6.4 pg/mL. This is low test, so theres is a legitimate medical case to be made. Just want guys to know the kind of blood work likely required to have a doctor prescribe test.

My prolactin was on the high end, so doctor prescribed cabergoline (0.5mg/week) to see if the levels would lower and test go up. There were no changes after 2 months. The point of telling you this is that he did not immediately prescribe test.

After the 2 months I came in again and told him I had to go on this, and he was in agreement. Offered injection, gel, and implant. Of course I went with injection. The standard prescription is 100 mg/week of testosterone cypionate.

Starting TRT

Here is a little diary I kept:

2/7/14
Finally, success. Dr agreed to prescribe test. Asked me how I wanted to administer it (gel, pellet, inject). Of course went for injection. Received 100 mg of test IM in left thigh using a 25 gauge needle. Kind of a dull pain afterwards. I do not feel any different: no change in mood, horniness, or anything else as far as I can tell.

2/8/14
Filled my prescription for testosterone cypionate. Cost me $3.30 with my insurance. Lulz.

My dose is 100 mg/week. On advice of forum members I will be doing injections 3/week in divided doses and using insulin syringes (28 gauge). Also going to do them subcutaneously instead of intra muscularly.

Also on forum members advice, I will pre-fill the 28 gauge syringes so that they’re ready, since it’s probably impossible to pull out the test using the 28 gauge syringe. Figure I will have 2 weeks worth ready (6 injections/syringes).

2/9/14

Filled up 6 29 gauge syringes with test (thought I bought the 28 but I have the 29; hopefully will not be an issue). Lost some from the big syringe in between transfers. Need to pull back on plunger in the draw syringe so no test drips out under positive pressure.

I already had alcohol swabs and sharps container ordered previously.

2/10

First self injection. Used 29G syringe, soak plastic part under hot water for 30 secs per forum member recommendation, then inject in belly. After talking to some others, I think I will go IM into thigh using insulin syringe going forward just to be sure.

Can’t wait until next injection.

...

Just want to say something about the injections: stop being a pussy if you're worried about it. Yes, you have to do this for the rest of your life, and I am happy to do it. I look forward to the injections. They take less than 60 seconds of your time if you pre-fill the syringes. When you use the small gauge syringes there is no pain afterwards.

After TRT

After 4 weeks on TRT, my lab results are:

Total test 1019 ng/mL, Free test 18.4 pg/mL, Estradiol 59 pg/mL (considered high).

And how do I feel? I feel great. I will monitor the estradiol levels and see if I need an aromatase inhibitor down the road. As D&P told me, estrogen also comes from fat. I'm more skinny fat than fat, but still carry too much fat, which I am in the process of losing.

Changes include: higher sex drive, improved ability to focus and concentrate, increased desire for physical exercise, and just an overall increased ability to get shit done. However, I never felt like the hulk or anything like that…I kept expecting some bolt from the sky, but it doesn’t work like that.

What about with girls? I think there is an increased confidence, but I don't want anyone to think that TRT will magically transform you into an approach machine, it's not how it works. If you have AA, you will still have AA but probably a bit less. That's how I feel anyway.

What about ball shrinkage? Honestly, I'm not really sure. Assuming they have shrunk, I haven't noticed anything dramatic.

What about seminal volume (i.e. jizz amounts)? Doctor said it may decrease, but from my observation it's about the same...certainly no dramatic decreases.

Big thanks to MikeCF for effectively changing my life.

Post: #28

I'm thinking about lowering my test with a lot of jacking off, sleeplessness, alcohol and carbs so I can get low results and free roids.

Will it work? I'm already pretty muscular so the doc will probably be able to see through my bullshit, right?

Post: #29

Just providing another perspective...


Currently in my early 30's. Once I hit 30, I started noticing metabolism slowing down. Increased body fat. Low energy. Less mental sharpness. Libido down a bit.

My weight had jumped up to close to 190lbs (@ 6'0"); I was the epitome of "skinnyfat." Started snoring at night time; had to wake up several times at night to urinate. Woke up fatigued. I felt I was headed towards Metabolic Syndrome (if not already suffering from it.) I decided to get my ass in gear; start eating better (researched things like Paleo/Primal diets, intermittent fasting), working out more/getting in better shape, attempting to sleep better. Overall I wanted to improve my quality of life, which was slipping considerably.

In my research to optimize all these facets of my life, I came across HRT and TRT. I started reading voraciously; consuming knowledge from forums, articles, blogs, medical journals, youtube videos ... anything I could get my virtual hands on.

Some excellent manosphere resources out there as well:
D&P
Thumotic
Art of Manliness
GLL
B&D

I read a ton about TRT and decided that even if I don't start TRT now; let me see where my blood levels are and let me try to dial in and optimize my overall well being.


Summer of 2013

I was 6 ft tall; weighing close to 190lbs; with a 36inch waist; ~25% bodyfat. Considerable amount of belly, back, flank, thigh fat. Snoring at night (found out it was due to enlarged tonsils.) I had been lifting heavy compound lifts; at first did the Starting Strength program focusing on Squats, Deadlifts, Bench, Overhead Press, Pullups, etc.. Then I figured that I needed to join a real gym (i.e. one with real power racks, not just Smith machines) and hire a personal trainer to dial in my form plus provide a financial motivation for me to keep busting it at the gym.

I started some supplementation as well. Vit D 5000 units daily, Zinc 50mg daily, Creatine 5g daily.
Tried to fix my diet as well. Dabbled in intermittent fasting; attempted to limit carbs; added in some protein shakes. But I did NOT monitor my calorie intake systematically.

Libido was down a bit. After a single session with a girl; it was rare if I could ever get going for a second go-round in the same night.
Overall life stress wasn't too bad at the time.

As mentioned, I decided to get labs done to see if low T could be contributing to some of my slip in quality of life and/or if TRT could provide a bump.
[I'll provide a lab flowsheet below]

My total T at this time was around 500 (below avg for my age), estradiol in the high 30s, cortisol and DHEA were very high, thyroid not exactly optimal, and glucose metabolism also needed some work.

While my total T was low, I decided I was going to try to fix some of these ancillary issues prior to committing to TRT.


Dec 2013

Weight dropped to mid 170s (from 190lbs). Body fat % reduced to the high teens (from 25%).
Had tonsillectomy to improve snoring; improved sleep hygiene.
Started using MyDailyFitnessPal App to track calorie intake.
Continued Vit D, K2, B12, E, Selenium, ZMA supps.
Continued workouts.

Had next lab panel drawn.
Again Total T around 500. Estradiol improved to 25 (from 37). IGF-1 actually went up (maybe due to heavy lifting?) Cortisol/DHEA still elevated. Some improvement in thyroid (minor). Little improvement in glucose metabolism.

I figured I was making some minor improvements thanks to lifestyle/supp changes; so again let me continue down this path and not commit to TRT just yet.


Feb 2014

6'0" 172lbs bodyfat % still in high teens.

Sleep dramatically improved to excellent since tonsils out.

Beginning in Jan 2014, started working with a nutritionist to really dial in diet for both training and non-training days. Intermittent Fasting - 8hr feeding window - based on principles derived from martin berkhan, alan aragon, lyle mcdonald.

Training day macros: 240g carbs, 50g fat, 160g protein.
Rest day macros: 50g carbs, 75g fat, 160g protein.

Started cooking >90% meals at home. All organic, GMO-free, free-range, grass-fed, etc. ingredients.
Bought a food scale to ensure accurate measurement.

Weekly meals/groceries planned out on an excel spreadsheet to allow better compliance with hitting daily/weekly macros.

Continued to stick with personal trainer; 4 days per week; heavy compound lifts.
Since January, started tracking weights/sets/reps on an excel spreadsheet.
Tracking various body measurements with a tape measure on same spreadsheet.
Started taking weekly front & side pics to track visual changes over time.

Also in Jan, bought an Angel Juicer to gain some benefits from juicing.
Juicing 4 days a week using a slight variation* of this as my pre-workout drink/juice.

(*eliminated creatine as it was giving me facial bloat & subbed beta-alanine for glutamine based on my own personal needs/research from examine.com)

Again, labs in Feb 2014: Total T did NOT budge (still around 500 -- below avg for my demographic). Estradiol leveled off in the 20s. Adrenal labs improved. Glucose metabolic labs about the same. Thyroid function improved a bit.

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[I've included a flowsheet of my lab progress to date. Let me know if I need to adjust the formatting; don't want to junk up the thread]



In search of wanting to dial myself in completely and fully optimize my well-being/health/quality of life, I am again considering taking the plunge into TRT.

I could also continue on my current path with the lifestyle changes I've made.
Possibly add in others that you guys might suggest...
and then again, wait & see ... and hope for some improvement in another couple of months.

Or I could come to the realization that perhaps I have maxed out my natural potential (while making some improvements in thyroid, adrenal, other functions) ... and that maybe now I can honestly and smartly consider TRT; having tried non-hormonal methods thus far.


Realistically, currently life is not that bad, but...
I'd rather not live at an average/below average quality level, but...
I am also committed to ensuring my long-term health, and...
would regret prematurely jeopardizing it without making sure I did my due diligence.


Hope this helps some guys out there.
Interested to hear feedback.

Post: #30

Total T around 500 is not going to get you TRT from most docs. Will your doc give you TRT with that number?

Estradiol improved to 25 (from 37)." - Because you lost fat. Fat is estrogenic. That's why I tell guys considering arimidex to look into losing fat.

"IGF-1 actually went up (maybe due to heavy lifting?)" - Yes.

"Glucose metabolic labs about the same." - Your fasting glucose is pre-diabetic. What's your carb intake like?

You may need to drop those carbs down.

You also try an effective glucose disposal agent called Cinsulin. Take it with your carb containing meals:
http://www.costco.com/trunature®-Advance...71407.html

Post: #31

(03-06-2014 07:56 AM)Menace Wrote:  On the advice of another forum member (thread starter), I went to an endocrinologist that understood these things. Everything I write is done under the supervision of a doctor, so this is not self-medicating "bro science" or whatever.

Isn't is funny that so many (haters, losers, dregs, blue pill lollipop suckers) call it bro science....But that everything a doctor said and did is what I said?

It really cracks me up that so many calls think that you need to have a doctor do something or else it's not "real" science.

Why can't someone like me read the text books, learn how to read labs, experiment, and figure this out for himself...without being called a bro? (I know you weren't calling me that, but a lot of losers used to post shit like that here. Roosh and Tuth did a great job of "taking out the trash," which is one reason this forum is great.)

The real bros aren't guys like me. The real bros and ignoramuses are people in the media and doctors (the vast majority) who act like TRT is something dangerous or that it's something only a doctor can do.

Doctors have a monopoly on the scientific method...since when?

Post: #32

^I second this. The average doctor is a fat fuck that never gets laid lol. Their knowledge of exercise, nutrition and overall healthy living are abysmal.

Post: #33

(05-19-2013 03:06 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  I wrote my college these in 2001, called, "Politically Correct Language and the Destruction of the Alpha Male Persona." I showed how language/thought patterns impact hormones.

That sounds fucking awesome. Is it online? I'd be interested in reading that.

Post: #34

MikeCF - thanks for a lot of good info here.

You mentioned earlier that a test score of 500 wouldn't get you test from a doctor. I also saw you mentioning that a score of 365 seemed like it would get you test from a doctor for sure. Two questions: 1) Do you have a general rule of thumb for a score that you think is on the borderline of a yes/no from the typical doctor, and 2) what score is at the point where you think someone should go ahead and go on test?

Of course, I'm sure there are a number of factors here but wanted to get your general feel on the topic of test scores. Thanks!

Post: #35

(03-06-2014 02:36 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  Isn't is funny that so many (haters, losers, dregs, blue pill lollipop suckers) call it bro science....But that everything a doctor said and did is what I said?

Definitely not calling you a bro. Perhaps what I wrote was inartfully worded, but I meant that the things you actually recommend doing are what a competent endocrinologist also recommends.

I wanted to pre-empt people (not that there would be that many here anymore) that think this is all BS and you can just do it naturally.

sthesia, the big difference between you and I is that your t-levels are right in the middle of the range. Mine were low no matter how you slice it. Hell your free test is basically the same as mine, and I'm on trt. I don't think any endocrinologist would give you test with your levels; maybe an anti-aging clinic would.

There is no magic in medicine, and there is no reason why anyone can't read the same books they do (or even better sources), and figure it out on your own.

Post: #36

Hey guys,

I have a question. Right now I'm carrying around extra fat and haven't been doing heavy lifting in a few months. I've also been whacking (and banging) on the regular and smoking weed like a champ.

I'm 35 and in reasonable shape (lots of muscle but the ever present small love handle). I have no insurance. Shit, I need to get some...fucking obama

My question is this. Should I look into TRT now (while my life is very un-T friendly) or wait till after a few months squatting? Basically, can simple lifestyle changes take you from low range to hell-yeah range when you're now 35.

Thanks!

Post: #37

Post: #38

Don't guess and just get your levels tested. It costs peanuts.

Post: #39

yeah after I posted I realized it was a silly question. I mean I know I'm gonna be on it someday anyway, so why wait? Be a lot easier to lose this fat with proper T levels.

I'm in.

Post: #40

(03-06-2014 04:51 PM)Menace Wrote:  Definitely not calling you a bro. Perhaps what I wrote was inartfully worded, but I meant that the things you actually recommend doing are what a competent endocrinologist also recommends.

I know you weren't.

I have this bad habit of taking something that someone said and then using it to make a broader point without making it clear that I'm talking to the "universe" rather than addressing the person who wrote the quoted text. #brofist

Post: #41

(03-06-2014 06:37 PM)LeonsGreenWifeBeater Wrote:  Hey guys,

I have a question. Right now I'm carrying around extra fat and haven't been doing heavy lifting in a few months. I've also been whacking (and banging) on the regular and smoking weed like a champ.

I'm 35 and in reasonable shape (lots of muscle but the ever present small love handle). I have no insurance. Shit, I need to get some...fucking obama

My question is this. Should I look into TRT now (while my life is very un-T friendly) or wait till after a few months squatting? Basically, can simple lifestyle changes take you from low range to hell-yeah range when you're now 35.

Thanks!

If you are fat lose the fat first. If you have truly low T that will be hard.

But see what happens.

Also, fat is estrogenic. So if you add test to the mix, you may have some issues with estrogen.

If you're curious about your test levels, read this:

http://dangerandplay.com/2014/02/28/bloo...one-level/

Use HEALTHY12 to save 12% (sometimes; that coupon code doesn't always work).

Post: #42

(03-06-2014 04:32 PM)runsonmagic Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 03:06 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  I wrote my college these in 2001, called, "Politically Correct Language and the Destruction of the Alpha Male Persona." I showed how language/thought patterns impact hormones.

That sounds fucking awesome. Is it online? I'd be interested in reading that.

I wish. I'd love to be able to read my old college stuff. But they died on some desk top.

Once upon a time email space was limited and measured in MBs rather than GBs. So you couldn't email yourself your college papers and then keep them forever. You'd have to delete them to add more stuff.

Then Gmail came and forever changed the world.

Post: #43

(03-06-2014 04:38 PM)anonymous123 Wrote:  MikeCF - thanks for a lot of good info here.

You mentioned earlier that a test score of 500 wouldn't get you test from a doctor. I also saw you mentioning that a score of 365 seemed like it would get you test from a doctor for sure. Two questions: 1) Do you have a general rule of thumb for a score that you think is on the borderline of a yes/no from the typical doctor, and 2) what score is at the point where you think someone should go ahead and go on test?

Of course, I'm sure there are a number of factors here but wanted to get your general feel on the topic of test scores. Thanks!

It's a fine line. Do you have a medication condition now known as "low T"? Some will disagree and say 500 is fine.

Or do you just want to take yourself to the high end of the range? Some will say that taking your body to the high range of natural levels through TRT is perfectly appropriate.

There's a reason that the podcasts (without giving legal or medical advice) and posts talk about self-administration and anti-aging clinics in addition to the traditional route of seeing a doctor for low T.

Post: #44

(03-06-2014 02:28 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  Total T around 500 is not going to get you TRT from most docs. Will your doc give you TRT with that number?

Your comment about most docs not Rx'ing at a Total T around 500 is consistent with what I have heard from others.

I've actually already met with a low T/anti-aging doc. (Paid $350 out of pocket for a 1-hr evaluation where he reviewed my history/initial labs from Sept 2013 that I had obtained on my own.) He treats "symptoms" as opposed to "numbers."

Additionally, given my background and display of knowledge on the subject... he's open to being quite flexible with my treatment plan.

His usual protocol involves self-administered Test 200mg/wk (typically for a certain number of weeks on; and then "PCT" with an hCG/clomid combo. I mentioned leaning more towards staying on Test indefinitely (i.e. no "PCT") with hCG and anastrozole thrown in as needed; he was open to it.

That was all over 8 months ago and part of my fact-finding mission.
I want to make sure I know the ins & outs of this stuff before committing.

(03-06-2014 02:28 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  Estradiol improved to 25 (from 37)." - Because you lost fat. Fat is estrogenic. That's why I tell guys considering arimidex to look into losing fat.

Right on; just like you said. The aromatase enzyme is responsible for converting your body's androgens (testosterone) to estrogen. It is found in both the testes as well as the periphery (especially adipose tissue; aka fat.) Reducing fat will result in a reduction of aromatase activity which will in turn result in lower estradiol levels.

One other interesting point about aromatase with regards to aromatase inhibitors. When you start taking exogenous Testosterone, aromatase starts converting all this abundant Test into estrogen. Some guys also take hCG as part of their protocol to further boost T and preserve things like testicular size. hCG therapy can raise overall serum T levels (provided your HPTA axis is intact); and it can also raise intratesticular testosterone levels. As noted above, aromatase also exists within the testes; thus your abundant intratesticular testosterone will be converted over to estrogen and serum E2 levels will rise. A lot of guys will then take aromatase inhibitors to try to bring E2 levels back down. Most will be successful; but some may not ... the reason for this being that aromatase inhibitors do not typically enter the testes to be able to inhibit aromatase conversion of intratesticular test to E2.

The above can be a problem for guys who try sole hCG therapy (i.e. just hCG; no exogenous Test.) They can end up with really high E2 levels that do not respond to aromatase inhibitor therapy.

(03-06-2014 02:28 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  "Glucose metabolic labs about the same." - Your fasting glucose is pre-diabetic. What's your carb intake like?

Yeah, my Hemoglobin A1C is at the lower limit for possibly being in a pre-diabetic range. My fasting sugar actually improved on this most recent set of labs.

From my understanding, the glycosylation of hemoglobin actually takes several weeks to months to happen. So I plan on keeping an eye on both fasting sugar as well as HbA1C.

My carb intake is as follows:
Lifting days: 240g
Rest days: 50g

I am lifting 4 days/wk currently.
The goal is to try to make sure I replete my glycogen stores on lifting days, while minimizing carb intake on rest days.

I've been using my current macros for about the past 6 weeks and have dropped about 4-5 lbs in that time, while adding to my strength gains.

Nonetheless, I will definitely keep a close eye on my carb intake and consider dropping further.

(03-06-2014 02:28 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  You also try an effective glucose disposal agent called Cinsulin.

Appreciate the recc. I will keep it in mind for sure.
Going to try to monitor glucose metabolism a little more closely and see if I can control it on my own before adding in other agents.

Menace Wrote:sthesia, the big difference between you and I is that your t-levels are right in the middle of the range. Mine were low no matter how you slice it.

Yeah, I realize that my T levels are middle of the road. Technically, according to most resources I've seen, they are actually below average for my demographic. But you are right to point out that most endocrinologists would not Rx at this level. The anti-aging/low T clinics would be my route of entry.

I guess a lot of my motivation comes from not wanting to be just average. A lot of us are trying to find every edge when it comes to finances, game, style, looks, travel, fame, etc.. As long as it doesn't negatively impact other facets of my life (i.e. the risk/benefit ratio tilts favorably) then I might decide to implement some TRT.

I realize my case is not a homerun case to start TRT right away; that's why I think hearing some feedback from the guys here helps.

But, damn... I'd be lying if I said I wasn't tempted to see what kind of gains I would see in the gym and in my body if I was able to supplement up to a T level >1000.



Finally... Mike- wanted to thank you (and Jay) for the great content in your blog and podcast. Not only did you provide part of the motivation for me to figure this stuff out on my own, but I also learned a lot from your guys' personal experiences.
Quality, actionable, relevant content.

Post: #45

Can be testosterone be given by a small shot like a Novolog insulin needle? Or a longer one is needed to reach the muscle? I hopefully won't need to use it anytime, since I've always had a bit of a reaction to needles, but I like to learn about it if I need it at some point.

Post: #46

(03-06-2014 10:50 PM)sthesia Wrote:  Yeah, I realize that my T levels are middle of the road. Technically, according to most resources I've seen, they are actually below average for my demographic. But you are right to point out that most endocrinologists would not Rx at this level. The anti-aging/low T clinics would be my route of entry.

Thanks for the kind words.

I started TRT at 500s level. Going from 500 to 1200-1500 is remarkable.

More clarity of focus. More energy. More certainty and less self-doubt.

But TRT even up to high-normal or outside of normal range feels way different than being on "juice."

500 mg of test is pretty insane and that's when you really feel the test, as in the same way you feel other drugs like caffeine or alcohol.

Otherwise, being high T isn't a buzz...It's just a great calmness.

Post: #47

(03-06-2014 11:00 PM)kbell Wrote:  Can be testosterone be given by a small shot like a Novolog insulin needle?

Video of Dr. John Crisler demonstrating how to inject testosterone subcutaneously under the skin of his abdomen (as opposed to intramuscularly.)

Towards the latter half of the movie, you can watch him actually demonstrate injecting himself in front of the camera.





One issue with insulin syringes is that it can take additional time (sometimes up to a minute) to load up the syringe with the testosterone medication (which is delivered in an oily suspension.) One way to deal with this is to "back-load" and pre-fill a few syringes at once and store them away.

Back loading is done by pulling the plunger out of the insulin syringe. Then using a separate syringe attached to a larger needle; medication is drawn up from the vial; and then loaded into the back of the plungerless insulin syringe. After the medication is added; the plunger is carefully replaced; while the tip of the insulin needle is pointed upwards to the sky. Any air bubbles are carefully expunged, and the insulin needle is now ready to deliver medication subcutaneously.

Post: #48

@sthesia, I think your most interesting number is the DHT. It really is a little low.

Question: are you taking any meds?

Suggestions:

Go off all supplements

Increase saturated fat intake, especially from an oil source such as Udo's 3/6/9 oil (look it up). Eat lots of eggs, whole milk, and whole milk yogurt.

Lift less frequently and harder; make sure you do strapped pullups and strapped dips

Get more and better sleep

This is a great article about DHT, give it a look. It's really one of the most important things to look at.

http://www.mikemahler.com/online-library...ogens.html

Post: #49

You get test mixed with a super thin oil that is triple filtered.

28 gauge insulin syringe.

Back fill a bunch every couple of weeks. (This means use a typical 25 gauge needle and syringe to draw out the oil. Then load up an insulin pin.)

Run the syringe under hot water before you inject for 15-20 seconds.

Now the oil is nice and smooth.

Takes 30 seconds to inject. You can do it in your quad. Just sit down on a chair and inject.

Every other day (or every day) injections of test prop ensure the most stable blood levels of test. There's no peak and valley.

This is all discussed in the TRT podcast.

http://dangerandplay.com/2014/02/24/test...t-podcast/

Here's a video of some serious insider knowledge. (Not me in the video and he's using B12 rather than test for demonstration purpose.)

Post: #50

I've been on the fence about getting TRT but after listening to the Podcast on Danger and Play I went to a anti-aging doctor and said hook me up. I'm 38 by the way.

Prior to this last year 1/13 I had my bloodwork done by my urologist and my Test Serum came back
372 out of 348-1197 range.

He said I wasn't low enough to prescribe. Fuck him.

So for the few months I cleaned up my diet. No grains. Slept better, got a vegetable juicer and drank that stuff 1-2x a day.

My next blood check was 4/13
Total Serum 522 Range of 348 - 1197
Free T - 13.1 Range of 8.7 - 25.1

My T was still low but I thought my diet was to blame since I got it to jump this high from 3 months ago. So I figured if I dial it my eating and working out even harder I'd blast up to 700.

Starting 7/13 I cut out all drinking, staying up late, any type of drugs. My body fat was around 18% and I dropped it down to maybe 12%. For strength I did Olympic lifting 4-5x a week. At 5'5" and 160 lbs I was squatting 355, deadlifting 440, Snatch 192, Clean and Jerk 235.
Then 3x a week I did CrossFit workouts. Eating was still fairly clean (Paleo). I'd have cheat meal 1x a week but nothing outrageous.

Retested on 2/14. So this is this 6+ months of this type of living.
Free T - 485 out of 348 - 1197
Estradiol - 6.7 out of 7.6 - 42.6
IGF-1 116 out of 124-181

So after all that clean living my T actually went down. I listened to the podcast and said fuck it. Let's ride the T-Train and I'm so glad I did.
Prior to this my focus and clarity completely sucked. Little tiny things would set me of. My irritability was off the charts. I never really understood what guys would mean by brain fog but once I started injections I realized what it was.

For you guys sitting on the fence about it you need to run to a doc and get on this stuff. I can't believe I let years go by where I felt like crap. It's a whole new ball game and shit is about to get real now.

Oops forgot to add that I'm getting 200mg test cyp a week. I'm injecting myself every Tues/Fri. Estrogen started pretty low so we are going to see where it goes in a month and then prescribe some Arimidex if needs be.

Cost
499 initial consultation
Includes bloodwork, physical, and consultation. He spent 1 hour with me going over how he likes to treat his patients with low T.

Each follow up consultation will be 299. This includes blood work. After I'm dialed in I'll probably only need to see him 1-2x a year at 199 a visit which includes blood work as well. My T prescription is 40$ every two months. If I run HCG it's 90$ every 3 months. Don't know the cost of Arimidex since I haven't started using it.