Post: #1

Background: Met a girl through class. She emailed me, asking to go out. We went out 4 or 5 times. We've been banging since the 2nd date. Might I add, the sex was very good for both of us. The slip up comes from me being too available to her. We talk on the phone pretty much daily. I guess she considers us to be dating.

I don't think that I've totally fucked this as far as her considering me to be a push over, but I want to see her a little more than every 8 days. I know that she likes me, but I need to put her on point.

She was acting pretty distant so I texted her the following:
-Hey we need to talked (just in general, I wanted to see if she was still interested)
-sure, any thing in particular?
(didn't reply for like 15 min)
-(her again) look i'm sorry i haven't been talkative, my grandma is dying (its true)
-(me) no just talking, nothing important

Another time when she flaked on me because she was sick (i got her sick) I went to the gym and she started to blow my phone up and i wasn't picking up. Texting me saying things like she doesn't care if she's sick, just to come over. I didn't go over.

Incidents like the ones above make me believe that putting this girl in check will be pretty effective. I just don't know how to do it without coming off as too extreme. Something subtle would work since it wouldn't show me being extremely interested in her.

Post: #2

You're thinking way too small

You don't realize it, and maybe she doesn't either - but this chick has you wrapped around her finger.

The pick up artist way is to come up with the perfect script, and deliver it with the right tonality and body language.

And when you go that route, where you're constantly coming up with new ways to put a chick back on track, you're not really doing anything different than the guy who buys flowers and chocolate. Each of you is just reacting to what she wants, and delivering her a solution. Arguably your solution is better than Mr. Beta, but it's a short term solution.

Dark Triad guys will tell you to say some stuff to a chick to make her think that the problem lies with in her, and they're aiming to create fear and dependence. Again, this kind of solution, where you own a chick's mind is sub-optimal because you're killing the very thing that makes chicks interesting beyond their bodies.

Red Pill guys will be like, she's just gonna cheat anyway. As soon as the double bind takes affect, and she beta-izes you, she'll just hop on the next alpha cock - or keep you in orbit while she takes dick or money on the side.

Game? What does a player do? What does game force him to do?

Game teaches us to be above this kind of transactional view of a relationship.

She does X, I do Y.
She does A, I do B.

^wrong mentality to have.

The player pulls this chick aside, and lays his game down flat.

"If you want to be with me, I need you to do X."

You don't qualify it, you don't explain it.

You say it in such a way that she knows what the consequences are without having to ask. The reality of this kind of discussion is that few chicks are savvy enough to realize there should be NO follow up questions. Bitches gon do, what they gon do.

You're not saying this for her benefit.

You're saying this for your own.

You are making a promise to yourself to not deal with bullshit from chicks. And you really have to say it out loud to someone of consequence. (IMO at least)

The second a broad starts acting up, you're texting the next chick to meet you for drinks.

Let me be clear here.

The power is not having a contact list full of bad bitches. That's an illusion.

The power is not having the gift of gab and being able to walk into a bar and fuck the finest chick there.

That's an expression of your power, but not the power itself.

It is not something that goes away cause you get fat, or go broke.

The power here is internal.

WIA

Post: #3

I don't get it. What type of check do you want to put her under?

You said "I don't think that I've totally fucked this as far as her considering me to be a push over, but I want to see her a little more than every 8 days. I know that she likes me, but I need to put her on point."

You also said "Another time when she flaked on me because she was sick (i got her sick) I went to the gym and she started to blow my phone up and i wasn't picking up. Texting me saying things like she doesn't care if she's sick, just to come over. I didn't go over. "

You did two different things that accomplish two different things.

If you want to see her more than 8 times a day then you should do what you did in the gym scenerio.

If you want to really, "put her in check", then you should do what you did at the gym.

If you want to be a sucessful player, then you should do what you did at the gym.

If you want to be dump real soon then continue to show beta traits, by texting her things like "Hey we need to talked " or "no just talking nothing important".

Do you see it now? If not don't worry keep reading and learning. Rome was not built in a day and neither will you.

Post: #4

(06-18-2013 12:57 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  You're thinking way too small

WIA

That abstract way of thinking can only be gained with experience. Great post on internal game.

Post: #5

"Hey, we need to talk" sounds incredibly feminine. You've been out with this girl 4 or 5 times, and there's already "we need to talk" coming from you? It sounds like you also think you're dating.

You haven't even said what your complaint is. You're mad because she flaked on you when she was sick?
In which case, you did what you should have, and look, she reacted and wanted to hang out with you. No further advice needed.

Or do you have issues with her thinking you're dating?
In which case, why do you care what she thinks? As long as you don't play into it and you've never explicitly stated otherwise, you're not dating. So continue on.

Or is there another problem I didn't pick up on in the OP?

Post: #6

Game other girls, she'll sense it and she'll come to you.

Also, never use the "we need to talk" if you mean "let's hang out tonight."

Post: #7

"Dark Triad guys will tell you to say some stuff to a chick to make her think that the problem lies with in her, and they're aiming to create fear and dependence. Again, this kind of solution, where you own a chick's mind is sub-optimal because you're killing the very thing that makes chicks interesting beyond their bodies."

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Post: #8

(12-04-2013 09:37 AM)Valhalla Wrote:  "Dark Triad guys will tell you to say some stuff to a chick to make her think that the problem lies with in her, and they're aiming to create fear and dependence. Again, this kind of solution, where you own a chick's mind is sub-optimal because you're killing the very thing that makes chicks interesting beyond their bodies."

Tell me more about this

A lot of dudes like a chick that's been cowed into submission.
"yes master, no master"

I'm not looking for a slave, a chick w/o free will.

In terms of technique, we've talked about it in various posts
- controlling the language that you use with her, and she uses with you
- creating a bubble - you and her against the world
- controlling the environment - taking her shoes off at your place
- occupying her time - hobbies, events, places to go
- giving her activities to do - bring me something to drink, pick up my dry cleaning...
- decreasing external influences - I wanted it to be just the 2 of us tonight...

It's a lot of work imo. Requires constant vigilance.
Even if you are doing it by having a really awesome life, creating the dread, competition anxiety, et cetera - is a lot of effort.

In my experience, having a woman in your life means you never get to "coast". It's constant pedaling.

And in a modern society such as ours, she still has ample opportunity to indulge her hypergamous instincts.

For me, life is short. I'd rather lose a chick than try and put her in a cage. If she bounces, I replace her, I don't chase her.

WIA

Post: #9

(12-04-2013 09:37 AM)Valhalla Wrote:  "Dark Triad guys will tell you to say some stuff to a chick to make her think that the problem lies with in her, and they're aiming to create fear and dependence. Again, this kind of solution, where you own a chick's mind is sub-optimal because you're killing the very thing that makes chicks interesting beyond their bodies."

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Post: #10

(12-23-2013 02:11 AM)BadgerHut Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 09:37 AM)Valhalla Wrote:  "Dark Triad guys will tell you to say some stuff to a chick to make her think that the problem lies with in her, and they're aiming to create fear and dependence. Again, this kind of solution, where you own a chick's mind is sub-optimal because you're killing the very thing that makes chicks interesting beyond their bodies."

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