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http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/201...Ferriss%29

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Talk about a circle jerk. This sounds like a bad Saturday Morning Informercial. All it needs is Kevin Trudeau

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Stopped watching at the 3 minute mark when Tim took over the whole conversation again. How can he call this an interview, the guy is high on hearing himself talk.

"Ah, this is a great question."

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The more exposure Tim Ferris gets. The more I feel he is full of shit. I like the guy and his yearning for self improvement. But I see him on late night infomercials in a couple of years.

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is there a resume of the video?

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I actually find Tim Ferris highly irritating. Strauss is alright, but he gets on my nerves a bit as well.

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Dont get the hate.

I thought it was a really interesting discussion. , It's not promoting anything - it's a pretty insightful discussion about writing, publishing, etc. Both are multiple bestselling authors, so they know a thing or two about that.

Yes TF takes the reigns alot - but to put it in context, this is part of a (free!) two-day workshop he gave to talk about skill acquisition, so he's well entrenched in "leading" mode. I still dont understand why that upsets everyone so much though, lol.

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(06-18-2013 10:21 AM)RichieP Wrote:  Dont get the hate.

I thought it was a really interesting discussion. , It's not promoting anything - it's a pretty insightful discussion about writing, publishing, etc. Both are multiple bestselling authors, so they know a thing or two about that.

Yes TF takes the reigns alot - but to put it in context, this is part of a (free!) two-day workshop he gave to talk about skill acquisition, so he's well entrenched in "leading" mode. I still dont understand why that upsets everyone so much though, lol.

I call it Ferriss Fatigue, a lot of guys in our space have it.

The interview is actually really good, but it's my general impression that few people like to write, or want to write. I can't even tell if people really like to read.

WIA

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By the time I got done with this video I walked away with the conclusion that Ferriss is much more socially awkward than I thought. Strauss actually seems to have it much more together, which to me says ever getting in the game really did do wonders for him. Tim is generally thought of as extremely charismatic, and he often comes across as quite full of himself, but he almost seems insecure in this video.

Maybe that's what drives him...

All that said, not trying to hate. These are just observations about two writers I respect and two guys whose rise to self-actualization I attribute with getting involved in "game." Even with the personality tics (jesus would someone shoot the man and woman delivering questions for "the internet"), this was a solid video.

A lot of real great tips and hacks; I'm going to watch it again and take notes.

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(08-18-2013 01:50 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  By the time I got done with this video I walked away with the conclusion that Ferriss is much more socially awkward than I thought. Strauss actually seems to have it much more together, which to me says ever getting in the game really did do wonders for him. Tim is generally thought of as extremely charismatic, and he often comes across as quite full of himself, but he almost seems insecure in this video.

Maybe that's what drives him...

All that said, not trying to hate. These are just observations about two writers I respect and two guys whose rise to self-actualization I attribute with getting involved in "game." Even with the personality tics (jesus would someone shoot the man and woman delivering questions for "the internet"), this was a solid video.

A lot of real great tips and hacks; I'm going to watch it again and take notes.

I have all 3 of Tim's books, and he's put out a lot of solid material and interesting reads on his blog as well. I've learned a lot from him.

That said, he admits to being overly analytic and obsessive, which can be a double edged sword with game.

Once you read enough of his material though, regardless of the marketing, you start to see his need to stretch accomplishments to gain recognition, which is where some of the insecurity shows.

Also, in his latest book, the 4 hr Chef, he unnecessarily writes about his new gf in various sections in vague, but very pedestalizing ways.

Essentially what I gathered was that he either took a full year from meeting this woman to being able to date her, or a full year to sleep with her.

Regardless, I'm sure he could learn a lot from the men of the RVF.

Beyond Borders, would love to see any notes from the video, and especially your comments on their topics as a fellow writer.

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I have never been able to get passed Neil Strauss's voice. He is a great writer but that voice is so damn effeminate.

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(08-18-2013 03:47 AM)LeBeau Wrote:  I have all 3 of Tim's books, and he's put out a lot of solid material and interesting reads on his blog as well. I've learned a lot from him.

Me too. Everyone of his blog posts offers immense value.

Quote:That said, he admits to being overly analytic and obsessive, which can be a double edged sword with game.

Once you read enough of his material though, regardless of the marketing, you start to see his need to stretch accomplishments to gain recognition, which is where some of the insecurity shows.

Yep, I can definitely see that.

Quote:Also, in his latest book, the 4 hr Chef, he unnecessarily writes about his new gf in various sections in vague, but very pedestalizing ways.

Essentially what I gathered was that he either took a full year from meeting this woman to being able to date her, or a full year to sleep with her.

Regardless, I'm sure he could learn a lot from the men of the RVF.

I've picked up on quite a few clues throughout his career that he was a part of the original PUA movement. Even though he's never come out and said he studied game at all, I've always thought of him as one of the original poster boys exemplifying where the whole mentality could get people.

His whole concept of lifestyle hacking, in my opinion, was birthed from how the PUA guys were approaching self-improvement. His idolization and friendship with Strauss is very telling in itself.

Some of his exercises throughout the 4-hour Workweek mimed exercises promoted by PUA guys at the time. He even had a section about outsourcing your online dating, which seemed very PUA to me. And his nerdy demeanor suggests to me he may have been a guy who struggled with women before he applied his analytical mentality to game.

Again, he's never come out and admitted this stuff, but I feel like you can read between the lines. There are plenty other little clues out there. My guess is he made a decision early on to distance himself from the movement so as not to be boxed in as one of "those guys." He was probably also doing his best to not alienate his female readership.

As far as the relationship thing goes, a lot of the PUA guys eventually started looking for more long-term relationships - it ends up being the end game for a lot of guys who become skilled with women, even if they don't intend it to be. On top of that, while a lot of them got really good with seducing women, many didn't have a very good frame in relationships because that's only something you can learn from experience. And a guy who had to artificially learn game doesn't tend to have those natural relationship experiences to draw from.

Guys like this therefore get a little goofy when they do find a girl they want to stay with. Their strong point is pickup.

Quote:Beyond Borders, would love to see any notes from the video, and especially your comments on their topics as a fellow writer.

I appreciate the confidence, but I don't know that I'm qualified to add anything to what they've already said - these guys are best-selling nonfiction authors and I'm just getting my start. I'm still working on fiction, but I would like to get into writing nonfiction as well because I think I have a lot of crazy life experiences to draw from. I've started a journal and am just brainstorming what kind of angle to bring to my first nonfiction book.

I've been at a bit of a loss about where to start up to this point. I like the comments they had here in the video about coming up with ideas - just exploring what you're currently most passionate about, immersing yourself in it for "research," etc. Still need to do some thinking about what concept I'd want to write a book about, but I'll get there. Going to start jotting down new ideas everyday.

My first nonfiction book will likely have something to do with travel or living abroad, but that's not exactly much of an angle yet.

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(06-18-2013 09:45 AM)Teedub Wrote:  I actually find Tim Ferris highly irritating. Strauss is alright, but he gets on my nerves a bit as well.

I respect Ferris until he starts self-promoting.

I respect Strauss until he starts laughing.