Post: #26

(07-24-2013 05:40 PM)cardguy Wrote:  I am totally devoid of ambition. I have a low level, low skilled job - and would happily do it until the day I die. I will only ever seek a pormotion when I absolutely need more cash.

Anyone else here have literally zero ambition? And - for the Americans - is such an attitude particularfly rare over there?

I have being counting the days to my retirement since the day I started work.

I am not complaining - or worried by my lack of ambition. But - I just wanted to see if any others were like this since most of the conversations here are headed in the exact opposite direction (ie how to be more driven and more successful).

Of course - my big passion is reading and inventing magic tricks. So - I always feel I can be doing something more fun than work. And I always imagine that those most driven at work - are the same people who find it hard to enjoy their lives outside of work. But I may be wrong there. It is just that is how it is with my brother and my dad - who both seem unable to switch off from being 'busy' all the time.

Why not just make a bunch of awesome magic tricks, and perform them somewhere? eventually you'd be able to get money for that and make that you source of income.

Post: #27

i'm happy working a menial job, goofing around, watching documentaries, studying spanish, cooking, maintaining a good attitude, keeping a decent body and fucking 6's who don't make me work.

the cost of "success" is too high for me.

Post: #28

I was really ambitious and busy all the time when I was in college and professional school, but that burns you out after awhile and you tend to miss out on a lot of the enjoyment in life. I don't see how anyone can go balls to the wall for years on end unless you're a robot.

Right now the job I have requires pretty much the bare minimum amount of time to be considered full time, but it pays me well enough that I have the money to do all the things I enjoy.

Could I bust my ass for an extra 10 or 20k a year? Sure, but when the only non-essential expenses I have are things like beer or going to concerts, why bother? I'll leave the workaholic mentality to guys that want mortgages and care about what kind of car they drive.

Post: #29

It's interesting how some people lack ambition while others are extremely driven. I became driven when I moved out on my own at 23 and was done being sheltered and coddled by my parents. I found out that the freedom of living on your own and making your own money to support yourself is 100x better than being a loser living in your parents basement.

My brother is the total opposite. He just doesn't care at all, he's broke as a joke and bangs 5's and 6's constantly. I absolutely cringe at the photos of chicks that he texts me. Maybe some have it and some don't, but I just wanna fuck 8's, 9's, and 10's and as many as possible until I'm 70.

Post: #30

I used to be super ambitious, but I've begun to lose my ambition. It's hard to be ambitious when the world is going to pot. The world is becoming less and less meritocratic and more backwards, if you know what I mean: the stupid dregs of society are rewarded by the government for having children without any compunction of raising them. Overall, our society reflects this anti-social behavior: celebritwits like Kim Kartrashian and Paris Hilton are awarded huge sums of money for acting like complete divas and room-temperature iq idiots. I don't know about you, but who wants to participate in this circus? I certainly don't; and the last thing I want to do is prop up a society that antithetical to nature, in which the strongest specimen survives and reproduces.

Post: #31

(07-25-2013 07:03 PM)G Trooper Wrote:  It's interesting how some people lack ambition while others are extremely driven. I became driven when I moved out on my own at 23 and was done being sheltered and coddled by my parents. I found out that the freedom of living on your own and making your own money to support yourself is 100x better than being a loser living in your parents basement.

My brother is the total opposite. He just doesn't care at all, he's broke as a joke and bangs 5's and 6's constantly. I absolutely cringe at the photos of chicks that he texts me. Maybe some have it and some don't, but I just wanna fuck 8's, 9's, and 10's and as many as possible until I'm 70.

You cringe at the sight of a 6, and bang only 8, 9 and 10's?

That's impressive.

Post: #32

(07-25-2013 01:42 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 01:32 PM)Bill Wrote:  I am 40 and living a minimalist lifestyle and don´t work at all. It was only possible because I didn´t invest much money and energy in women.

I love to have a life where I don´t have to work and feeling like a slave. Now I am doing mostly things what I like . I have some ambition but I surpress it with my minimalist philosophy. Sometimes it´s simply enough. Somewhere there should be a limit.

I think a lot of us would be interested in a Data Sheet on how exactly you pull this off ie budget, location, city, travel, food, activities, luxuries etc.

I almost don´t travel. The city I am living now is Ankara where I own a flat so I don´t have to pay rent. I always eat at home mostly eggs and vegetables . This stuff is cheap here. I give around 150 euros per month for food, clothes and general stuff.

I like doing different sports. 100m from my flat is a beautiful park where I play Basketball everyday. I wake up at 5 in the morning. I do have a lot of hobbies which I routinely practice: Karaoke, Dancing, Reading (German, Turkish, English, Spanish) also loudly which is good for getting a better voice and learning languages. I am somekind of a sportsfreak I do a lot of different stuff like martial arts, shadow boxing, bodyweight training ( I am now at 95 push ups). Besides Basketball and Soccer I do practice most of these things at home and so it costs me nothing.

My background: I am of german nationality but with turkish origins. I lived all my life in Germany. Last year I left Germany. Now I am in Ankara for 1 year.

For me game is mostly dance game. But I do make big breaks where I do not game at all. For example now in Ankara as I am working on my hobbies. But in general I do game in dancing enviroments. In the past I gamed mostly students at house parties.

Most of my money I saved from my work. I could spend much more than I do but as I am a minimalist (some say cheap) I won´t do it. Yes obviously I don´t consume cigarettes, alcohol, expensive clothes, luxuries.

I don´t pay for health insurance. In case when SHTF I can go back to germany where there is work and a social net.

Though the weather is fine in Ankara for women I would have to move to the coastal regions, where I could buy a flat and be more in the game.

In some years Colombia and Thailand are on my radar.

Generally I live as a Beta on the outside. I am a fan of Epicurus who said: live hidden.

I try to strive for minimalism in the hope that it benefits me.
Here is an article I am now reading. It´s about the drive for striving to escape boredom.

http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/ReadersSu...er8229.htm

Post: #33

Damn just lost my post I typed up.

It's impossible to have ambition if you only think about the costs and benefits. For example how can a guy know which beer or pizza he passes up is going to be the factor marginally makes the difference in bedding a 9 or not?

I have been in a funk this week but I'm breaking out of it and am going to get some major work done. Not because my life will be substantially different if I slack off a few more days or not but because I want to live my life with the satisfaction of liking who I am and knowing that I'm going to do greater things than other people.

For example, do you want to be a keeper or write off? http://m.inc.com/?incid=49666

It's tough to figure out how to be ambitious. I don't think we need to be ambitious necessarily in the rat race sense but we need to embody the ethic of hard work and achieving the goals we set for ourselves to feel good about who we are.

My goal for today is to be proud of what I accomplish in the next 12 hours.

Post: #34

There is a nice quote along these lines.

'A year from now - you will wish you started today.'

Post: #35

These posts are surprising to me.

I could not wake up and look in the mirror knowing I didn't do anything.

When I read the quote in the above poster all I think is "yes I wish I worked harder back when I was in college". I let some serious opportunities slip like an idiot and am paying for it.

Ambition to me is self esteem.

If you really don't have to do anything at all and are 100% free from working under someone's thumb then yes you no longer need to be ambitious. You earned the right to relax. Can't stand waking up knowing I have to "do something for someone" this would include serving clients (owning a biz) or working for someone.

I want to be 100% free to do what I want, when I want, with minimal regard to price as well.

Post: #36

(07-26-2013 01:02 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 07:03 PM)G Trooper Wrote:  It's interesting how some people lack ambition while others are extremely driven. I became driven when I moved out on my own at 23 and was done being sheltered and coddled by my parents. I found out that the freedom of living on your own and making your own money to support yourself is 100x better than being a loser living in your parents basement.

My brother is the total opposite. He just doesn't care at all, he's broke as a joke and bangs 5's and 6's constantly. I absolutely cringe at the photos of chicks that he texts me. Maybe some have it and some don't, but I just wanna fuck 8's, 9's, and 10's and as many as possible until I'm 70.

You cringe at the sight of a 6, and bang only 8, 9 and 10's?

That's impressive.

Nah, I didn't say that you misunderstood the post. I said I "want" to bang 8's, 9's, and 10's until I'm 70. Because I got that ambition baby.

I bang girls that pass my boner test, starting with a big ass, cute face, and good body. And they are everywhere here in Miami.

I cringe at some of the photos he sends me because sometimes they are straight horse faces. He can do so much better, but he doesn't because he lacks ambition and doesn't care.

The day I start banging a constant stream of 8's, 9's, and 10's...you'll be the first to know.

Post: #37

(07-26-2013 09:31 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  These posts are surprising to me.

I could not wake up and look in the mirror knowing I didn't do anything.

When I read the quote in the above poster all I think is "yes I wish I worked harder back when I was in college". I let some serious opportunities slip like an idiot and am paying for it.

Ambition to me is self esteem.

If you really don't have to do anything at all and are 100% free from working under someone's thumb then yes you no longer need to be ambitious. You earned the right to relax. Can't stand waking up knowing I have to "do something for someone" this would include serving clients (owning a biz) or working for someone.

I want to be 100% free to do what I want, when I want, with minimal regard to price as well.

This is one of my problems. Each year I get a sizable chunk of change and hop on a flight to Thailand. That chuck of change comes each year (though it is starting to dry up) so I can kind of just bide my time until that money drops. Sort of a safety net.

However, now that I am in my late 20s, I know I need more money and also something more stable. I have definitely gained ambition the past year, I think now my biggest problem is finding exactly what I want to do. I change my mind too often, and haven't had that one idea that really grabs me.

I have a lot of skills related to marketing, ecommerce, SEO, etc. I just have trouble nailing down what it is I want to do with it all. I've never been the type to me motivated strictly by money, there has to be something more.

I have actually been working on a project now, but I'm not 100% into it so it's moving much slower than it should. I just don't have that drive to succeed on something my heart isn't 100% in, and I haven't found what would grab my attention in that way yet.

Post: #38

(07-24-2013 07:46 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  A lot of ambition comes from the pressure/desire to provide for a woman and children. Very rarely do men work hard to sustain their lifestyle as a bachelor.

Men, deep down, are good creatures who work hard to provide for a woman/family. We call this ambition.

Once you realize that a woman could ruin you and take your children, you check out of that game.

Finally you realize that it doesn't take all that much to sustain your life as a bachelor.

I am extremely ambition when it comes to my hobbies. I don't just waste my time and work on building myself up, reading, and goofing off. I don't work as hard at my profession as I used to.

Think of it like this: What if you're a guy who just wants to lift weights and get big. You devote hours a day to eating right and training. Or maybe you want to bed 100 women. You spend hours running game and learning tricks.

Society would say you are a dead beat, a loser, or a mooch.

Yet you are focusing your mind on accomplishing what you want to accomplish. Isn't that ambitious?

You may or may not be ambitious. Ask whether you're using society's definition - which means you lack ambition unless you are spending your hours and energy providing for a family.

In that case, I have zero ambition.

And yet I live an awesome life and seem to get what I want.

See the difference?

You're talking about not having any ambition using society's definition, but the people having a real lack of ambition (eg me a lot of the time) don't even have ambition for their own goals.

It's like like the brain does a subconscious cost-benefit analysis of the work/reward of doing a task and dishes out motivation accordingly. For example if it takes exponentially more work to bang a 9 when compared to a 7, what makes some people push themselves to go for it while others are happy with banging 7s and putting 1/3 of the effort?

Why do some people want to be the best while are others are happy with above average?

(07-25-2013 12:55 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 12:04 AM)Sugar Wrote:  A total lack of ambition could be depression - it's not always manifested by dark thoughts, suicide thoughts, gloominess, etc.

I believe I have this problem. I'm going to get my t levels checked, it seems low t can also cause all of this.

How does it work? An endocrinologist just takes your blood and do some tests?

Post: #39

Nothing wrong with lacking Job ambition. As animals we were never meant to slave away at work to make money to buy more trinkets. In America ambition is toxic. These guys keep working to make money, but they end up with an avg looking chick who fucks the pool boy.
That being said, if you gotta spend 8 hours doing something,might as well get paid as much as possible. Try working for the government. Its the perfect job for the un ambitious.

Post: #40

Bump for the better link to this article: http://www.inc.com/steve-tobak/what-kind...g-off.html

This really motivates me. I think we need to find motivation from being the person we want to be

Post: #41

I think a lot of red pill counter-culture guys lack ambition: they just see everything that is wrong in the world, and then they begin to despair. It's called an existential funk.

Post: #42

Lots of very insightful posts on this thread.

I've always though of myself as ambitious, and others who are not as wasters to be honest. But as stated by Numanist, since becoming more red pill I've sometimes wondered 'why bother?' Then I have a reality check and crack on solid for a couple of weeks.

Like Western Cancer, at school I put 50% in and got 75% out. Never tried.

Like El Mech, I believe not everyone can have it all- it stands to reason. Also, if you do what you love, you'll never work a day in your life. To that end, I work for myself- my attitude is 'I'll try that, if it don't work, I'll try something else'. But I wonder- is that reasoning holding me back, or is it liberating?

A friend and mentor of mine runs a tarmac company. Not because he enjoys it- he hates it. But he knew it would make lots of money.

I don't think I could do something I hated just to make coin.

Post: #43

I've known a lot of really smart guys who work menial jobs and have 0 motivation.

When I get stuck in a rut, I start getting frustrated and eventually find myself snapping under the continued mediocrity. I then go on a binge of self improvement until I get to some arbitrary goal I set (Roosh's latest post on numbered goals hit close to home).

I've noticed this trait in a handful of guys, whereas some people are just happy that they get by and have a comfortable life.

If that's you, then enjoy it. Only you can enjoy your life. For me though, the thought of not being successful makes me annoyed.

Post: #44

I'm an American so I can speak about the mentality here (of course, I'm generalizing and to some degree, this is regionally-centric). One day a friend of mine from the West Coat (he's from Eugene, OR) and I were talking about the way people are in Boston compared to Eugene. His observation was that people were more driven to get advanced degrees or climb the corporate ladder or build their law practice, etc. I live in Connecticut and for the most part, people are that way here as well...especially in West Hartford, Stamford, and few other comparable cities.

For me, I could care less about getting an advanced degree. I could care less about climbing the corporate ladder, either. I think that people who endlessly pursue the next thing and have so much ambition seldom take in the simpler things of life, because they are always focused on the next goal. In my opinion, life is better lived by enjoying the things we have already obtained and living a simple life. Of course, that is me. At this stage in my life, I want a job that allows me to make enough money to do the things I enjoy live traveling. But I don't want my director's job. I don't want to work harder for a little more money, only to lose more of my free time. There is a diminishing return when it comes to ambition...at some point, you've done enough things to realize that they don't bring happiness. Happiness is better found in connection to our fellow man. Meaningful relationships are the best thing to have ambition for. Friendships, relationships with family, pursuing opportunities to do things with those that matter...these are worthwhile ambitions. Most of the stuff we chase as people does not really make us better or happy.

I would say that if you lose your ambition to have solid relationships with your mates, venture out of the house to enjoy other people's company, and generally become a recluse and withdrawn person, then you are losing the important definition of ambition. All of the other things we can chase for ambition's sake, in my opinion, they do not matter.

Post: #45

Yeah - even though I am not ambitious. I am still very passionate. Just about stuff (books, magic, interesting conversations) which is not related to my job.

Post: #46

(07-26-2013 11:37 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  ... I think now my biggest problem is finding exactly what I want to do. I change my mind too often, and haven't had that one idea that really grabs me.

I have a lot of skills related to marketing, ecommerce, SEO, etc. I just have trouble nailing down what it is I want to do with it all. I've never been the type to me motivated strictly by money, there has to be something more.

I have actually been working on a project now, but I'm not 100% into it so it's moving much slower than it should. I just don't have that drive to succeed on something my heart isn't 100% in, and I haven't found what would grab my attention in that way yet.

Unlike some of the others, and maybe because I never had much money growing up, I do have the ambition of making a shit load of money, the more the better, but like RioNomad I still haven't found exactly what drives me. I think only when I get my own business, if ever, I'll be 100% committed.

Post: #47

I'm pretty content working a shit factory job. It's manual labor but there's no stress at all. Every day there's downtime at work and though it is more boring since I quit smoking (for good, hopefully), all I do is bullshit with coworkers and tell shitty jokes. On the weekends I look for sluts and go out drinking and I lift every day. Haven't had it this easy in years.

Post: #48

I just read through this thread, and I found several very interesting perspectives regarding whether guys are ambitious – and some guys are early in their careers and other guys are later in their careers. Certainly, stage of career causes a difference.

I came from a large working class family in rural America, and no real expectation of inherited wealth. Most of my family members were not wealthy and most had no college education, either. Accordingly, I always assumed that I had to strive for some sort of income related to work that would provide my income security.

After high school I enlisted in the military, and I figured that I would just continue within my working-class expectations or work to attain job security.

As I was in the military, I came to the belief that guys in my surroundings did not really have many aspirations in life – maybe I was over generalizing in my perspective; however, accordingly, I began to look into possible professions. On my days off work, I would go to the library and peruse career books and consider compatible careers.

I came to the belief that almost everything interesting to me, required higher education. Accordingly, I began taking college courses, and the acquisition of knowledge became contagious through my undergrad and into graduate school. Maybe some guys will consider an education to be a big waste of time.. who knows, but I found college as fulfilling – and I really enjoyed being around lots of young women...

My ambitions were not specifically focused on the attainment of money, but money did flow into my life based on my college work, based on volunteer work and having career-related ambitions.

Now, I am in my 40s, and I have an opportunity to move away from career-related ambitions, and it seems that my nest egg is sufficiently large to generate an adequate passive income in which I do NOT have to work in order to adequately provide for myself. Accordingly, this shades my views and my ambitions will have to evolve accordingly to have reasons to get out of bed.

There are some difficulties for me to find ambition to carry out the work of the various transitional issues; however, currently, the anticipation of the reward of travel and possible access to young chicks that are NOT really accessible to me in living in the 1st world is currently providing me with ambition….

We will see how travel plays out in the years ahead in order to continue to create ambitions, whether I will feel that I will have to add work to my schedule in order to feel meaning in life and to get out of bed. In the past, my ambition had come from feeling that I had to build enough of a nest egg for income security, and now that I seem to have a sufficient quantity, and accordingly, I may not have to make additional efforts towards working, I am not sure about how that is going to play out for me in regard to continuing to cause ambitions.

In sum, my understanding of how ambition played out for me is that I felt that I have always had to have it because there was no golden parachute that was provided for me in the event that I did not push towards some career / financial security goals. Guys on this forum could make some mistakes if they chose not to have ambitions before they have in place some kind of a plan for their future – at least financially – because they may look back and regret that they did not make a plan – and certain paths are more easily attempted at earlier ages in life rather than when older. In other words, some paths close off with age – yes, even in America ☺ ☺ - the land of supposed opportunities. For example, if someone wanted to be a doctor, he has to compete with people who have made extensive preparations by the time they are in their early 20s… not impossible to do at a later age, but more obstacles, the later a guy starts.

In that regard, if guys on this forum do not have plans and goals for future finance, you may end up in a place that you did not want to be and could have prevented or at least made better.

Below are four quotes that advocate for goal setting:

“If you don't know where you are going,
you'll end up someplace else.”
― Yogi Berra


“The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark.”
― Michelangelo Buonarroti



“If you're trying to be miserable, it's important you don't have any goals. No school goals, personal goals, family goals. Your only objective each day should be to inhale and exhale for sixteen hours before you go to bed again. Don't read anything informative, don't listen to anything useful, don't do anything productive. If you start achieving goals, you might start to feel a sense of excitement, then you might want to set another goal, and then your miserable mornings are through. To maintain your misery, the idea of crossing off your goals should never cross your mind.”
― John Bytheway, How to Be Totally Miserable

“If you're bored with life, if you don't get up every morning with a burning desire to do things, you don't have enough goals.”
― Lou Holtz