Post: #26

Are you really f*cking these women or are they f*cking you...??

Post: #27

(09-04-2013 01:41 AM)paninaro Wrote:  Any thoughts on a pub crawl like this?
http://pubcrawlshanghai.com/en/crawl

Someone posted a link to this in some other thread. In my case, I'll be there alone (business trip) and only for a few days, so it's like an instant group of people to go out with. On the other hand, I'm guessing it's mostly expats, going to expat bars and not the "real" China.

Has anyone tried this out?

I mentioned in another thread that I happened to be at one of the bars they were at. I chatted up the owners who were American and they gave me a free bracelet for later in the week.

I thought it was pretty cool. There was only one bar that wasn't 'real', per se.

We ended up at a club called M2, I believe, which is a legit high end 'real' club in China.

I would go with them if I were just in town for a couple days and looking for a good time.

Post: #28

(09-05-2013 02:49 PM)MaleDefined Wrote:  I would go with them if I were just in town for a couple days and looking for a good time.

Thanks for the info. I'll probably give it a go. They have one on Thursdays and I'll arrive (after a long flight from the US) at 3pm. Let's see if I can manage to get over the jetlag and hit the town the first night.

Post: #29

A few things to keep in mind if you go for the local girls:

Most of them aren't shaved in the nether regions and have never done so in their whole life, so expect to see a jungle.

Most of them won't do BJs or give half assed ones at best. A guys dick is considered dirty even if you just soaped it up and showered. This is probably because China generally is a super filthy place.

Most chinese girls also won't take it up the ass out of fear that you'll destroy it and they'll loose their bowel control.

In general most chinese girls are quite prude, with low to no sex drive at all (unless they're drunk) and have a low stamina in bed, probably due to a lack of excercise (you rarely encounter the fit type of skinny in China).

Untreated diet related yeast infections (not the full blown kind) and STDs are common as nobody wants to go to the dirty public hospitals that are specialized in treating STDs (very shameful) and the local girls and guys generally prefer to go ruberless.

If you're into clubs there are enough foreign girls around though that get little attention from white guys, as most of them have yellow fever. These aren't the usual unkept backpackers which you'll find elsewhere in asia, but mostly young expats, tourists and students at local universities.

If you have an average western sized dick, the only condoms large enough for you are Durex Perfect Fit. If you're overly well endowed you should probably bring your own from back home.

Post: #30

(09-04-2013 01:41 AM)paninaro Wrote:  Any thoughts on a pub crawl like this?
http://pubcrawlshanghai.com/en/crawl

Someone posted a link to this in some other thread. In my case, I'll be there alone (business trip) and only for a few days, so it's like an instant group of people to go out with. On the other hand, I'm guessing it's mostly expats, going to expat bars and not the "real" China.

Has anyone tried this out?

You guessed right, but in the "real" China you'll feel very out of place, especially if you don't speak chinese.

Just head to the clubs mentioned before, unless you feel too old for that.

The bar scene in Shanghai is pretty hooker centric.

Post: #31

I'm in SH right now.

All I have to say is this city is pretty damn impressive. Haven't gotten my flag yet though.

Couple thoughts: I've had two girls buy me things and show me around the city that i met through pipelining prior to coming here. One was average/slightly cute. She met me at the airport, bought me a subway ticket to my hotel, and then bought me dinner. The other one was pretty cute; probably 6.5-7 out of 10. She showed me around the Bund and that famous garden area, she bought me dinner and whole bunch of other food. She even brought me a chocolate flavored tea when I first met her, then proceeded to walk me around the city for hours for nothing in return. Then she thanked ME after it was all over.

However, both of these girls did not put out. The second one doesn't really seem keen on meeting me again. I don't get it. Why would they go through all this trouble and then not put out? Did I do something wrong or not escalate properly, or are they just being friendly?

Finally I haven't checked out the club and bar scene yet, but probably will tonight and for sure next week. Any tips on how to pull from them?

If anyone else is here now and wants to meet up, I'm down.

Post: #32

Are you white? Chinese girls fucking love hanging around with white guys. Both to be seen with them and to practice English. As I mentioned in my sheet, they'll treat their foreign boyfriends like Gods but treat local guys like shit. Notice how there's white people on all the billboards and advertisements? You may have to escalate slower than usual, especially in the daytime, but you'll get there. Night game is different as girls who go clubbing will be a little more open minded and westernized.
Also remember even if they don't like you, they'll probably still want to hang out with you and be seen with you. It's very upper class for people in Shanghai to mix with foreigners. It's a city rich foreigners come to do business and study, unlike nearby places in SEA where middle aged men go for gogo bars. Hence there is no stigma at all with hanging out with foreigners, in fact it's a sign of value.

Post: #33

Hey paninaro that pub crawl might be worth a go. Going out solo in SH can be a little tough, especially if you're new there. If you have nothing better to do, try it out and let us know how it is!

Post: #34

(09-07-2013 01:24 AM)shibby Wrote:  Are you white? Chinese girls fucking love hanging around with white guys. Both to be seen with them and to practice English. As I mentioned in my sheet, they'll treat their foreign boyfriends like Gods but treat local guys like shit. Notice how there's white people on all the billboards and advertisements? You may have to escalate slower than usual, especially in the daytime, but you'll get there. Night game is different as girls who go clubbing will be a little more open minded and westernized.
Also remember even if they don't like you, they'll probably still want to hang out with you and be seen with you. It's very upper class for people in Shanghai to mix with foreigners. It's a city rich foreigners come to do business and study, unlike nearby places in SEA where middle aged men go for gogo bars. Hence there is no stigma at all with hanging out with foreigners, in fact it's a sign of value.

Yeah, I'm white.

I remember you said that before but I honestly wasn't expecting such royal treatment. Weird shit.

I thought I read somewhere that Chinese girls don't really like public displays of affection so much, and escalating too hard will scare them. So I can get away with slow or discrete escalation? And is the best way to pull them back to your place inviting them back under the pretense of something else, like watching a movie or eating?

Post: #35

Haha mate if you think that is royal treatment wait until you actually start hitting it off with one. She'll probably cling to you so hard the only way you'll get rid of her is to tell her you eat babies. Even then she'll probably think because you're white it's OK and will ask to join you for your next sitting.

Chocolate flavored tea is just the start of it. Was that from Coco btw? That stuff rocks.

Yeah PDA will probably freak her out a bit, even holding hands with you will make her go nutty, especially during the day. You'll need to gauge her comfort level and maybe play towards the fact it's more "normal" where you're from. Remember you are in a country where sex used to be discouraged even for married couples! Girls will be much more conservative here, except for the odd white cockgoblin. Perhaps try and weasel sex into the conversation, ask her if she watches sex and the city or something, figure out her comfort level and then escalate at a suitable pace, most likely much slower than you're used to. One of my friends gave his date a kiss on the cheek at the end of the night and she almost exploded because they "kissed on the first date".

Getting her back to your place to look at photos will probably work, especially if you tell her some cool stories first.

Post: #36

(09-07-2013 12:37 AM)Global_Cocksman Wrote:  I've had two girls buy me things and show me around the city that i met through pipelining prior to coming here.

Can I ask what you used for pipelining? Something China-specific?

I've been messing around briefly with WeChat, though I think that would be more for instant meetings (using the "people near me" feature) not for pipelining.

I'm also wondering what type of profile photo works best in this culture. I have one up with me and 2 girls out at a party, but maybe that's too much for the Chinese (culturally)?

Post: #37

(09-07-2013 02:54 AM)shibby Wrote:  Yeah PDA will probably freak her out a bit, even holding hands with you will make her go nutty, especially during the day. You'll need to gauge her comfort level and maybe play towards the fact it's more "normal" where you're from. Remember you are in a country where sex used to be discouraged even for married couples! Girls will be much more conservative here, except for the odd white cockgoblin. Perhaps try and weasel sex into the conversation, ask her if she watches sex and the city or something, figure out her comfort level and then escalate at a suitable pace, most likely much slower than you're used to. One of my friends gave his date a kiss on the cheek at the end of the night and she almost exploded because they "kissed on the first date".

Getting her back to your place to look at photos will probably work, especially if you tell her some cool stories first.

Hmm, seems like it's both difficult to get a read on who is just being friendly/wants to hang with White God vs something further, and also to escalate since PDA is frowned upon. Any further suggestions, especially on how to gauge interest?

Post: #38

(09-07-2013 10:36 PM)paninaro Wrote:  

(09-07-2013 12:37 AM)Global_Cocksman Wrote:  I've had two girls buy me things and show me around the city that i met through pipelining prior to coming here.

Can I ask what you used for pipelining? Something China-specific?

I've been messing around briefly with WeChat, though I think that would be more for instant meetings (using the "people near me" feature) not for pipelining.

I'm also wondering what type of profile photo works best in this culture. I have one up with me and 2 girls out at a party, but maybe that's too much for the Chinese (culturally)?

You can try okcupid.

You with 2 girls at a party = undesireable playboy image in China.

In China 99% of all women are looking for a guy that has the potential to take care of them.

Stuff that'd be too square in the US or western europe like a picture of you suited up + talking a bit about your career is very desireable in China.

Don't confuse this with gold digging.

Most Chinese girl want to be the wife of a financially strong guy and are less looking for adventures like western girls. Life is really expensive in comparison to salaries, which means most girls below 30 are either living with their parents or living hand to mouth with room mates due to low salaries and high costs of living.

There are very few guys in China with western kind of incomes and most are just barely scraping by with huge loans to buy crazy expensive apartments (an apartment costs about 50 years worth of rent) looming over their heads.

Western cars are also really expensive now (about 3x of US prices) and a license plate in Shanghai or Beijing costs about as much as a car.

Post: #39

(09-08-2013 12:02 AM)AsiaBaller Wrote:  You can try okcupid.

You with 2 girls at a party = undesireable playboy image in China.

In China 99% of all women are looking for a guy that has the potential to take care of them.

Stuff that'd be too square in the US or western europe like a picture of you suited up + talking a bit about your career is very desireable in China.

Don't confuse this with gold digging.

Most Chinese girl want to be the wife of a financially strong guy and are less looking for adventures like western girls. Life is really expensive in comparison to salaries, which means most girls below 30 are either living with their parents or living hand to mouth with room mates due to low salaries and high costs of living.

There are very few guys in China with western kind of incomes and most are just barely scraping by with huge loans to buy crazy expensive apartments (an apartment costs about 50 years worth of rent) looming over their heads.

Western cars are also really expensive now (about 3x of US prices) and a license plate in Shanghai or Beijing costs about as much as a car.

AsiaBaller's comments on the Chinese girls mindset are very true. I know several of them, and he describes them to a T. Pay heed to what he says.

Post: #40

I never went the online route in China, but my best guess would be you and 2 girls partying would be a bad profile photo. For a white guy, just a good photo of you in a business suit should get a ton of bites, especially if you write on your profile that you're in Shanghai on business for a while.

Also agree on Asiaballers post on Chinese girl attitudes, sounds spot on to me.

In all honesty, to find DTF local chicks, online game is the worst way to go. I'd guess those sites consist of mainly chicks looking for marriage. Just head to the clubs, they're busy EVERY night, and if you find one thats not busy theres going to be another one five minutes away that is.

Online game might be helpful for finding DTF expat chicks maybe, give that a go.

Post: #41

(09-08-2013 08:32 AM)shibby Wrote:  Online game might be helpful for finding DTF expat chicks maybe, give that a go.

Shibby, everything that you say makes sense in terms of frequently better results likely coming from attempting to meet girls in person rather than online.. probably, already when the DHV / exotic value of the white guy in Shanghai is fairly high.

Nonetheless, I thought that in pockets of even SH, there can be some English barriers and circles in which girls may be a little shy about speaking English, even though she already knows some English, but is not used to speaking it.. .and in that regard, the nervousness about English may affect getting the initial approach on some of these girls in various locations.. and some SH girls may have lots of difficulties with English.. no? and in that regard... could possibly get the girls somewhat warmed up on line.. or at least use the online channel (even though some of the hotter girls may not be online) as a mechanism for picking up some girls that may otherwise run away, if you tried to talk with them in-person.... but later, once they get to know you a little bit, may become a lot more open to attempting to communicate with the guy in English.

There may be other mechanisms to accomplish getting passed these initial English jitters that some of the girls have, I suppose.

Post: #42

Got my flag and laid a girl last Saturday night. First week in, haha. Met her online. I'd agree with shibby though. Most of the girls don't appear to be looking for a quick fuck on these sites. This girl was about 7-7.5 out of 10. Pretty nice tits for a Chinese girl.

I also just finished off another date with a different girl from online. I brought this one to a coffee shop near my place. We talked for about 45 minutes, then I brought her back to my room. She put up no resistance. We watched some TV for another hour together. I pussied out on escalating though, except for putting my hand on her thigh and around her shoulder a few times, which she gently pushed off. Maybe I could've gotten lay number 2 if I was more aggressive/tried to kiss her.

I definitely will be moving to and working here in the future. One thing to keep in mind though is that I've been spending a lot of time on the toilet here, haha. I don't know if it's food poisoning or something to do with the city, but it's an annoyance. It's not like I'm eating street food either, I've been eating a lot of Western food with some Chinese restaurant food thrown in. No idea when this will go away; hopefully it isn't permanent here.

Post: #43

(09-11-2013 08:49 AM)Global_Cocksman Wrote:  I definitely will be moving to and working here in the future. One thing to keep in mind though is that I've been spending a lot of time on the toilet here, haha. I don't know if it's food poisoning or something to do with the city, but it's an annoyance. It's not like I'm eating street food either, I've been eating a lot of Western food with some Chinese restaurant food thrown in. No idea when this will go away; hopefully it isn't permanent here.

Congrats on your Chinese flag.

As far as spending that much time on the toilet: that's just Standard China-diarrhea. Everyone gets that to varying degrees. It just takes time for your digestive system to get used to the bacteria in the food. You can decrease the effects by avoiding street food, and GOD help you, whatever you do, DO NOT DRINK THE WATER there! I made the mistake of using tap water to cook instant noodles on my second night in BJ. Thought letting it boil it for three minutes would suffice...wrong. I was shitting the Yellow River the whole day, puking so loud, the girl sharing my appartment woke up literally thinking someone was dying.

I also agree with Asiaballer's comments on Chinese girls. This is especially the case since there's so much societal and parental pressure to get married. Typically, a woman over 30 who still hasn't found a husband is considered "leftovers".

Most of the girls you find in clubs are down to fuck, though.

I cannot say I can confirm Shibby's statements about being treated like gods by Chinese women, though. Then again, this is only based on my experiences in Beijing, which may be different. Sure there were some girls with a eurofetish, but for the most part, being foreign had neutral effects. Maybe this is just a difference between Shanghai and Beijing.

As far as PDA being an issue, this seems to depend. Then again, almost all of the girls I pulled inside of China were in clubs, and they're not necessarily representative of most Chinese women. The only girl I pulled from a date in Beijing was fine with escalation and kissing in public, but maybe my experiences were just odd. One thing I would say generally applies to average (non-Club-going) Chinese girls is that most won't put out on the first date. I've also noticed -- both in China and with exchange students abroad -- that your average girl will not drink in public. Women who smoke and drink are usually considered "bad-girls". So it's best not to rely to much on alcohol for escalation.

Post: #44

How come no one has mentioned the internet? Blocked sites and also international speed?

I am in Bangkok right now and my international speeds are as low as 90Kbps - yes, that's kilobits! Like fucking dial-up.

I'm trying to attend online webinars in the US - no joy. I'm seriously considering changing countries!

I was looking at Shanghai coz of this awesome blog I have been reading, written by an English teacher living there back in 2006/07/08 I think.

Here's the link, it's quite an infamous blog now, even had press coverage in various papers around the world:

http://chinabounder.blogspot.com/

Gives a great insight into the workings of Shanghai girls - read and learn lads!

And please, give me any info you guys have on international internet speeds from there...

Thanks.

Post: #45

(09-11-2013 09:55 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  Congrats on your Chinese flag.

As far as spending that much time on the toilet: that's just Standard China-diarrhea. Everyone gets that to varying degrees. It just takes time for your digestive system to get used to the bacteria in the food. You can decrease the effects by avoiding street food, and GOD help you, whatever you do, DO NOT DRINK THE WATER there! I made the mistake of using tap water to cook instant noodles on my second night in BJ. Thought letting it boil it for three minutes would suffice...wrong. I was shitting the Yellow River the whole day, puking so loud, the girl sharing my appartment woke up literally thinking someone was dying.

I also agree with Asiaballer's comments on Chinese girls. This is especially the case since there's so much societal and parental pressure to get married. Typically, a woman over 30 who still hasn't found a husband is considered "leftovers".

Most of the girls you find in clubs are down to fuck, though.

I cannot say I can confirm Shibby's statements about being treated like gods by Chinese women, though. Then again, this is only based on my experiences in Beijing, which may be different. Sure there were some girls with a eurofetish, but for the most part, being foreign had neutral effects. Maybe this is just a difference between Shanghai and Beijing.

Seems strange that it would be any different in Beijing. Did your friends have a similar experience?

The women here have mostly been treating me like a king so far. Nearly every single one I've met has bought me dinner or drinks, shown me around or did something for me for nothing in return. I complained to the girl I fucked that I had a massive headache the other day (which was true), and she offered to come by and bring me some aspirin.

And like shibby said, they seem to absolutely worship white guys here. I was walking around the downtown/East Nanjing road area, and one of the giant billboards I saw depicted two white guys beside a Chinese girl with the words, "I <3 SH" on their shirts.

Post: #46

There was one girl I dated who would do what you describe: showed me around town, tried to pay for everything, had a fetish for white guys, etc.

There was also an example in Changchun. It was at a club called Mayflower/五月花, where I was sitting with four other guys (all Germans) at a table outside. Suddenly, this chick sits down at our table and just starts handing out her business card to all of us, saying she how much she likes foreigners and whatnot. My friend and I walk into the club with her, dance around for about three minutes. She's seems pretty into him, so I decide to leave the two of them alone together. I've barely stepped out the club when I see the them climb into a cab together. The morning after I see him in horrible shape, blood-shot eyes, saying she bit him in the dick while trying to give him head and became all clingy after the sex. From his story it sounded like the girl wasn't a pro, but who knows. I also remember a Danish guy in Changchun saying how girls there would come and try to make out with him on their own at Mayflower. I can't say I saw anything like that, but it could've been another club with the same name (there about two or three clubs called Mayflower/五月花 in that city). Granted, Changchun is quite different from Beijing or Shanghai, and as a second tier city, you've got more exotic capital.

As far as friends and acquaintances, most would just get a girlfriend they'd see for the time they were there, while another guy a talked to said he'd banged three girls in his first six-month stay there. Second-tier cities are also different from BJ. I remember in Chengde, which is a very small city by Chinese standars, I ran into two groups of Chinese girls, Both times, the girls asked me for my number very early on and tried to set up a meeting for that night. The second group immediately tried to show me off to their friends.

In general, however, I did not get the impression that anyone "worshipped" white guys in Beijing. Like I said, maybe it's a local thing, but it seemed largely neutral in my case. For my standards, I was able to pull quite a few girls (8 in six months, made out with another 15 or so), but, certainly, you could still get a blowout marathon occasionally if the girls that night just weren't feeling you. Usually, it was just a numbers game, combined with a patience, sometimes more, sometimes less. It also depended a bit on which club you visited.

So, yeah, it could be that Beijing is really different from Shanghai. I also find it interesting how most Chinese say how much they can't stand Shanghaiers. Basically, they've got a reputation in other parts for being stuck up, elitist pricks towards other Chinese, but are nice to foreigners. Almost every (non-Shanghaier) Chinese person I've met, when pressed on the issue, will quickly say "我不喜欢上海人！/ I don't like Shanghainese people (or is it Shanghaiers, I'm never sure on the right English denonym)!" with this “egh" look on their face.

Post: #47

(09-06-2013 12:23 AM)AsiaBaller Wrote:  A few things to keep in mind if you go for the local girls:

Most of them aren't shaved in the nether regions and have never done so in their whole life, so expect to see a jungle.

True, out of 10 Chinese women, I've only encountered 1 who was shaven, and this was most likely because she'd been living in Germany for over eight years. Keep in mind, though, that this is something common throughout Asia. Neither the Korean girl nor the Japanese girls I've been with were shaven, either.

Quote: Most of them won't do BJs or give half assed ones at best. A guys dick is considered dirty even if you just soaped it up and showered. This is probably because China generally is a super filthy place.

Can't say I agree with this. I've never had a problem getting a BJ from a Chinese chic.

Quote:Most chinese girls also won't take it up the ass out of fear that you'll destroy it and they'll loose their bowel control.

This is absolutely true. Also seems to be the case with other Asian nationalities.

Quote:In general most chinese girls are quite prude, with low to no sex drive at all (unless they're drunk) and have a low stamina in bed, probably due to a lack of excercise (you rarely encounter the fit type of skinny in China).

Can't really confirm this, either. Most of the Chinese girls I've been with had a pretty active sex drive, at least they were better in bed than the Japanese.

Quote:[...] the local girls and guys generally prefer to go ruberless.

I only remember one girl who seemed to like going rubberless. All others were pretty quick to ask if I had a condom before we got down to business.

Post: #48

(09-11-2013 10:36 AM)Vendetta Wrote:  How come no one has mentioned the internet? Blocked sites and also international speed?

Cause it's fine.

10Mbit fiber is rolled out in lots of cities by China Telecom, elsewhere you got ADSL and cable.

With the right VPN everything is solid.

Internet in hotels is usually crap / borderline unuseable.

Quote:I am in Bangkok right now and my international speeds are as low as 90Kbps - yes, that's kilobits! Like fucking dial-up.

Haven't lived in BKK for a while, but if you have your own True DSL line it's solid.

Post: #49

(09-11-2013 09:55 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 08:49 AM)Global_Cocksman Wrote:  I cannot say I can confirm Shibby's statements about being treated like gods by Chinese women, though. Then again, this is only based on my experiences in Beijing, which may be different. Sure there were some girls with a eurofetish, but for the most part, being foreign had neutral effects. Maybe this is just a difference between Shanghai and Beijing.

I think his girls are just looking for a good start so he'll wife them up.

BJ generally isn't exactly the most foreigner friendly place in China. Lots of anti-west sentiments and frustrated locals sometimes beating up foreigners in sanlitun.

Lots of scumbag foreigners there too, so that doesn't make it better. That doesn't deter the western loving girls, but they surely ain't going above and beyond for you like in smaller cities unless you're really rich or really good looking.

Regarding our different experiences, I suppose you mainly dealt with young club girls?

Post: #50

As for internet, I found it to be fast.

You need a decent VPN. I used Freegate for a little while which is a free one, not sure if its still around. But in the end I ended up paying for one. I used Astrill - not perfect, but gets the job done for a decent price.