Post: #1

Next time you're inside of a happening nightlife venue, be it a restaurant, bar, or lounge, notice the quality of girls who are available to approach, vs not.

The best looking, highest quality girls will be seated at a table, in a mixed group, surrounded by friends. They're spending money. Buying food. Laughing. Rather than looking around, or down at phones, they are having genuine conversations with real friends.

Before I got into game, all of my relationships spawned out of these type of mixed group friendships. Having a core group. Occasionally, I would be a guest of another group, due to having a friend there. New people would filter in and out. Eventually a new person would get involved with another person from our group. They might drop off. Maybe bring another in. Sure no one was getting laid much, but it was a healthy and social blue pill type environment. We expressed ourselves. We shared stories.

Getting laid is my double edged sword of ego gratification, and shallow experience. The chase and eventual fucking, might be the greatest sport available to man. But after all that effort and kinetic energy; to afterwards feel nothing? I have come to appreciate the rare girls I can respect for who she is, relate to, and laugh with at a big table full of friends.

Years atop the lonely pillar of absolute power & choice with women leaves a lazy lion. You may find yourself trying to get back to that place; big group of friends at a table. No conquest on the agenda. Sexual selection playing out within the tribal group naturally.

I look at the regular man seated at his table group. He looks at me. He has comrades, and quality females at his table. But I know the females are not his. He might want to trade for my world of variety and choice. The world of the over sexed, often lonely alpha.

The best girls are safe and sound seated at the table. To get to them, is from the inside. Slow, social circle game. Best quality. Just like anything else worth having.

Don't get me wrong. I still like the brute force approach. Work the numbers. But for best quality? They are always sitting down. And for those, working the inside angle is still where it's at.

Befriend, and give sincere praise to the men. Sure, run attraction material on the females, but do NOT hit directly on them. Buy the first round. The goal is access. Once on the inside, it's about gaining introductions, house parties, and real friendship.

Run inner circle game in parallel with brute force tactics. SEPARATE blue pill & red pill worlds. 1 foot in each realm. Multidimensional.

Post: #2

I've always done this. There is no need to be a "lonely" alpha. In fact, going out solo isn't really alone because as 1 dude you infiltrate social circles quickly. 3 girls and 2 guys smoking outside. Walk up and ask for a light. Then smoke a J and pass it to the guy FIRST. Boom social circle acceptance. Having a drink in your hand will almost guarantee an invite to the table. If not, then you can meet up "randomly" on the dance floor or as you are passing by the table.

Post: #3

sure!! judge a female quality by whether or not her shoes are comfortable or if she feels her thighs are fat looking tonight in this dress

Post: #4

(08-08-2013 01:38 AM)DVY Wrote:  I've always done this. There is no need to be a "lonely" alpha. In fact, going out solo isn't really alone because as 1 dude you infiltrate social circles quickly. 3 girls and 2 guys smoking outside. Walk up and ask for a light. Then smoke a J and pass it to the guy FIRST. Boom social circle acceptance. Having a drink in your hand will almost guarantee an invite to the table. If not, then you can meet up "randomly" on the dance floor or as you are passing by the table.

Yes, yes. Infiltration skills are extremely valuable.

A couple more observations:

1) Those women are sitting down and ignoring the crowd because they don't have to market themselves and stand in painfully available locations to get laid. This is what women eager for attention do. High-value women know the men will come to them.

2) Think about this. How can you become more like that high-value women than the low-value one standing on the edge of groups waiting for sexual approval? Because that's what a lot of guys learning game become.

You can still go out by yourself - I always do - but you need to socially infiltrate so you are suddenly part of something if you're going to stick around long and no immediate opportunities present themselves. If a high-value woman goes to a place where she doesn't know anyone, you can bet she won't be standing or sitting alone for long. The same is true for men with value.

Also, the men in the social circle are often your ticket in. Win them over and you'll win the approval of the women, as DVY suggested.

You won't always be able to pull it off, especially if your energy is low that night, but hey, that's just life. Always another night.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #5

(08-08-2013 01:26 AM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  Having gone red pill some 8 years ago, I used to think getting laid a lot would make me happy. And in the moment, it still does.

So it does for me, brother.

(08-08-2013 01:26 AM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  I have come to appreciate the rare girls I can respect for who she is, relate to, and laugh with at a big table full of friends.

Yup, hence my username.

Post: #6

Well, I am pretty sure some guys would say (been seeing those all the time here)
'fuck social circles, I can go out on my own'
'you can't be friends with women'
'if you are not banging her but hanging out with her, you are just her orbiter'
'Look at those guys in a mixed group. they are like her gay friends lol'

Basically, I've been observing a hatred towards having a social circle.

Is it because they belonged to the wrong crowd?
Is it because they can't get accepted into a cool social circle they want to be in?

Who would really Prefer to go out on their own OR hang out with wolves pack just trying to get laid
over a cool mixed group of men and women?

I find gaming social circle (being accepted by other members) is a lot harder than just gaming girls.

I say going out on your own or with couple dudes are like you are in Sales. If you do not go out to sell, you won't sell anything. If you stop going out tomorrow, no one will care and you will have nothing left.
You will be stuck in 'been going out every weekends. I hate it but I have no choice.'

Building a social circle is like having a residual income. It will take a while to see that money coming.
But once you built that, you don't have to go out to approach new people. you can go to social meetings, parties and meet people through people you already know.

Yes, the most attractive people tend to stay in a mixed group. They didn't come out to the bar because they got nothing else to do. They came out to have fun with their crowds. Obviously they will give the least amount of attention to people who came to Meet people at a bar.
She is surrounded by cool guys and girls. You came out with a couple dudes. what kind of value are you transferring to her?

I don't know if it's a good idea to game those groups at a bar. People don't take things serious when meeting others at a bar. Was it easier for you to be friends with guys because you are not after their ass? they come and go just like women. (flaky, not trustworthy)
If you've met someone at some group activity, I am sure they might invite you to hangout at a bar.
I don't think it's possible the other way around.

Post: #7

(08-08-2013 05:36 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  Well, I am pretty sure some guys would say (been seeing those all the time here)
'fuck social circles, I can go out on my own'
'you can't be friends with women'
'if you are not banging her but hanging out with her, you are just her orbiter'
'Look at those guys in a mixed group. they are like her gay friends lol'

Basically, I've been observing a hatred towards having a social circle.

Is it because they belonged to the wrong crowd?
Is it because they can't get accepted into a cool social circle they want to be in?

I think it's more an issue that if you're traveling to different cities on a regular basis how are you supposed to be breaking into social circles with attractive women all the time?

Actually this connects to the "Is the subject of game dead" thread. Someone needs to break down social circle game the same way cold-approach has been. Easy for me to say, but I'm not qualified to do it since I rely on going out alone.

Post: #8

(08-08-2013 07:45 AM)Therapsid Wrote:  Actually this connects to the "Is the subject of game dead" thread. Someone needs to break down social circle game the same way cold-approach has been. Easy for me to say, but I'm not qualified to do it since I rely on going out alone.

Yeah, we just came full circle again.

Now it's "Social Circle Game is the best type of Game".

That is where it always ends up.

Post: #9

(08-08-2013 01:38 AM)DVY Wrote:  I've always done this. There is no need to be a "lonely" alpha. In fact, going out solo isn't really alone because as 1 dude you infiltrate social circles quickly. 3 girls and 2 guys smoking outside. Walk up and ask for a light. Then smoke a J and pass it to the guy FIRST. Boom social circle acceptance. Having a drink in your hand will almost guarantee an invite to the table. If not, then you can meet up "randomly" on the dance floor or as you are passing by the table.

Yes. One of the benefits of going out alone and traveling alone is the flexibility you have to make friends and gain interesting experiences on the fly.

I open up groups all the time. You need to use charm and humor in these type of situations. That's how disarm them and slide in. That aloof and cocky game you would normally do one on one isn't going to work. Entertain them (value right there) and carry a conversation (ramble on point). Depending on how that goes you can even invite the chick you want to the bar for a drink or invite her out for a smoke (even if you don't) and, if needed, promise her group you'll return her safely (you should be in there like swimwear by that point). Get the number or dance/makeout/close. Conversely, you can just bag the number right there if her crew has ironclad defenses and won't let her out of sight.

Either way, seated females are most definitely penetrable.

Post: #10

To be honest, I dont even do "social circle game". I try NOT to hook up w/my social circle. Smashing girls in your immediate circle is a way to have ZERO social circle.

I try to join other people's social circles and snatch girls.

Incidental funny story- I went on a date a while back in K-town to this fancy sake bar/dinner spot. My date and I posted up at the bar and were having light food+drink and shooting the shit w/other ppl. I saw a group of guys and girls sit down next to me and i shipped over 2 glasses of sake to the guy+girl sitting next to me. Ended up getting invited to their b-day table (free sake all night long). I pulled another # that night from the social circle in front of my date, then ended up swooping my date later that night.

Fast forward to a couple weekends ago, I am w/Mcqueen at Drais and we see this smoking hot asian girl in a skimpy dress. I walk up and start chatting w/her. Then i introduce myself all around the "social circle". One of the dudes tells me "Dude, I've meet you before. I think at ______."

Post: #11

(08-08-2013 10:14 AM)DVY Wrote:  having light food+drink and shooting the shit w/other ppl. I saw a group of guys and girls sit down next to me and i shipped over 2 glasses of sake to the guy+girl sitting next to me.

This is a stupidly good idea.

Post: #12

^^^ And cost efficient. A large bottle of sake (300-375ml) is anywhere between 7-15 dollars. That pours between 4-6 sake shot glasses. You do the math.

Post: #13

the social circle has to be inhomogeneous to increase the diversity of new people you meet