Post: #1

I've noticed upper-class HB tend to respond negatively to cold approaching whether during the daytime or during night game far more frequently than working-class girls. Generally the higher up one goes in the social ladder, the more private people act due to their desire to reproduce the class system so co-optation is far more important. It's particularly true in Latin America which has the highest income disparity in the world and generally Europe besides Scandinavia/FSU due to historical stratification.

How does your social class (education, income, tastes) and your target's influence your game? Do you dumb it down/brag more? Is social circle game the only way?

Post: #2

Social circle game is by far the most effective type of game around for the common guy.

I hang around a lot of girls and I have some pretty diverse groups set up. What's hilarious is when I hang with all of these other dudes, they have 0 game. Absolutely 0 game.

When you have a modicum of game. ANY amount of game, you instantly become the most "alpha" person in the room. Even if you aren't alpha in your mind.

If you have a lot going for you, don't get that "feeling" that other people are better than you, and are just fun to be around social circle gaming can yield more notches than cold approaching on the street.

The thing you have to be careful of is hitting on the most attractive girl in the group. If you go for the "alpha" girl so to speak, you can game her underlings and get away from it.

Post: #3

I got into game a few years ago at the same time that friend of mine who was the typical popular pretty boy albeithe was skinny, had no game just did a lot of drugs and peacocked massively with bling, jewelry and the latest street fashion. Starting pretty much as an attractive yet extremely socially-inept nerd with a terrible social circle of nerds I've cut my teeth through street pickups but I never reached the results he ever did with a speck of the efforts I invested. I personally don't care much about flags I just want to get laid so I do agree social circle game yields FAR, FAR better results than people here seem to acknowledge, it just takes a lot of efforts and patience to get it started but then you go on auto-pilot once you've got it to run.

Post: #4

In answer to the question about "upper class girls" not been receptive to cold approaching I think its probably because in the grand scheme of things men usually date the same or lower social class and females date the same or higher social class than themselves relatively. A prime example a manager and his attractive secretary/PA start going out etc. Meaning so called "upper class girls" are going to be less receptive to a cold approach to someone they believe to be a lower social class to themselves IN THEORY

Post: #5

This concept needs some more discussion around here.

We all have a relative value in society. I believe we are divided into different social classes I'm not sure if its inherent, or if its due to who we spend the most time around. In the grand scheme of things its usually by education/money/where you grew up, but sometimes it can be way more complex than that.

Have you ever been introduced into a social circle, say at a house party, and your vibes are completely off. You make jokes and they're met with crickets, you say something too smart, too dumb or not in line with the groups beliefs and you're almost outcast by the group. Then on the other hand you move to the cluster of people on the floor below and you vibe as if you were great friends since childhood.

People automatically group themselves to their 'inherent' social class with people who share similar interests, sense of humor, dress, mannerisms etc. Game lets you calibrate your vibe to match theirs and blend in so the group accepts you more

Post: #6

Doesn't apply in America

WIA

Post: #7

Applies in Thailand.

Post: #8

Game attempts to circumvent one of the most powerful social phenomenon there is which is the reproduction of priviledge. The hypergamous nature of women on top of low social mobility makes it difficult to date somebody higher up the social ladder. I remember once dressed to the nines, I managed to pull a preppy girl from the Hamptons from a Manhattan club, I had a great leased car back then but when I parked in front of a derelict building in South Bronx, you should've seen the look on her face. I don't think she was particularly a gold-digger but she realizes my external appearance was incongruent with my real social standing, which she would never have given a chance otherwise. I eventually got the bang but I never heard from the girl again. I think it's a concept that's overlooked here, class, perceived or real does play a role, otherwise 30k millionnaires wouldn't go to the lengths they go to get laid (overdrawn accounts to shop designer labels, maxed credit cards to lease expensive cars, splurging all their money on jewelry) although they live in basements. If you've been to Miami you know the guys I'm talking about. So question is, should I limit myself to working-class girls? I've got way better success with hoodrats but then I suspect who doesn't? The poorer the easier it seems.

Post: #9

You're mixing up wealth and social class as a real demarcation between people.

A Suze Orman type chick making multi-millions vs a girl who comes from a family that has done things for the city for generations.

The girl with a good name will go to Vassar or Bryn Mawr or Brown, will take part in charities, might even attend a debutante ball. But she's not necessarily living it up like Kim Kardashian.

The society girl, the one with class, probably doesn't have millions.

The middle class girl who makes a killing selling a book or has a TV show doesn't have class.

Same thing with a middle class girl, whose parents are professionals or small business people, versus a working class girl whose parents are laborers.

It's often the case that the working class girl dad owns a plumbing business and is rich in economic terms - but they are working with their hands - and there are values that extend from that. The rich plumber girl in all of the latest is of a lower social class than the daughter of 2 college professors.

Throw in a chick from the underclass, who may come from a broken home, who very much understands the reality of growing up in a dangerous neighborhood. You know the difference between a trailer trash chick and one from the burbs. (hell throw in country and we've got a real interesting discussion.

Where the girl with class knows how proper society works
The middle class learns those things in college
The working class girl sees those things on tv and aspires
The underclass girl openly rejects that shit.

Money is intertwined with social class- but social class has always been more about power, about name, about connections to the right kind of people.

You might go to a political fundraiser. The social class is invited.

And what America has in terms of class is levels below what you see in other countries. England for instance, most of Asia where the Chinese business class sits above the darker skinned native class, Latin America - where the descendants of the colonialists largely control everything, Africa - where certain connected families are the only ones able to get things done. Places where there are no illusions of class mobility. (we have the illusion here in the states)

But in America, in terms of game? Average white dude can pound some blue blood pussy if he's able to find it, and basically fits the part.

That's what Feminism has done to the US.
Every pussy is available for the right look and the right words.

WIA

(09-04-2013 04:18 AM)PaybackTime Wrote:  Game attempts to circumvent one of the most powerful social phenomenon there is which is the reproduction of priviledge. The hypergamous nature of women on top of low social mobility makes it difficult to date somebody higher up the social ladder. I remember once dressed to the nines, I managed to pull a preppy girl from the Hamptons from a Manhattan club, I had a great leased car back then but when I parked in front of a derelict building in South Bronx, you should've seen the look on her face. I don't think she was particularly a gold-digger but she realizes my external appearance was incongruent with my real social standing, which she would never have given a chance otherwise. I eventually got the bang but I never heard from the girl again. I think it's a concept that's overlooked here, class, perceived or real does play a role, otherwise 30k millionnaires wouldn't go to the lengths they go to get laid (overdrawn accounts to shop designer labels, maxed credit cards to lease expensive cars, splurging all their money on jewelry) although they live in basements. If you've been to Miami you know the guys I'm talking about. So question is, should I limit myself to working-class girls? I've got way better success with hoodrats but then I suspect who doesn't? The poorer the easier it seems.

Post: #10

I can see how someone who goes out in Manhattan might have issues in some places if he doesn't belong to the financial elite, but if you don't typically hang out in the few places where preppy "elite" kids hang out in larger numbers (basically 99% of all clubs, bars and lounges in the country) that shouldn't be an issue and aside from natural born sluts like paris hilton, those girls are just looking for LTRs with guys of equal status (and race in some south east asian countries for example) anyway, unless they avoid their own kind.

Post: #11

You both are confirming something I've suspected for long most PUAs have no experience with girls from a vastly different social class, they just hit it off with middle-class chicks. I went to an Ivy and few guys that did are into game, if they got in, especially shitty top liberal schools you get into through connections and money i.e: Brown rather than through academic record like Columbia have ZERO problem to get laid, they were born into style, $$$ and attractive female-populated circles from the get-go since college.

WIA. So they'll fuck working/middle-class men but not marry them, this is what you're saying since it's a widely-known fact marriage in the US is socially endogamous? I doubt it, never known any rich girl running away with the thug, this only happens in movies, they go out with guys from their social circle or similar/superior standing. This is why people here advocate going to Lat Am, SEA and EE, the average Westerner is far richer than most people in those countries at the very least in nominal terms if they derive their income or education from a wealthy developed country. Perceived social class does matter, otherwise the bragging culture and peacocking style of urban culture wouldn't be so prevalent, don't mistake it, making it rain or bling are peacocking. I'm not saying you have to pay for shit just that looking like money and preferably being it is crucial if you want to date up and sometimes even your own! Crime in the inner-city is largely a way for the underclass to find the money/status to get laid. I hate it and people might deny it but money through its expression in fashion, car, pad, job is still a defining trait of masculinity particularly in the working-class. Not talking about looking like a dork and working a boring office job nobody care about but looking like you're living the life, I think lifestyle players like G Manifesto do prove that.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/homo...rap-videos

Post: #12

(09-04-2013 08:41 AM)PaybackTime Wrote:  Perceived social class does matter, otherwise the bragging culture and peacocking style of urban culture wouldn't be so prevalent, don't mistake it, making it rain or bling are peacocking. I'm not saying you have to pay for shit just that looking like money and preferably being it is crucial if you want to date up and sometimes even your own!

American women definitely expect certain trappings of consumer culture if they plan on dating you or staying around. The PUA stuff might get you laid, but to keep one of these harridans around for awhile (not sure why you would want to waste your time with that), you definitely need to maintain a certain appearance that includes housing, clothing, car, etc. that are all acceptable to her and her friends. These expectations are high enough that they're out of reach for most average males who aren't willing to sell drugs or some other shortcut.

Post: #13

This isn't India where you're born into a social caste for life, and had the unfortunate luck of being an Untouchable.

PaybackTime Wrote:Perceived social class does matter, otherwise the bragging culture and peacocking style of urban culture wouldn't be so prevalent

I am behind this. I can't remember where I heard this from but "Perceived value is value." Doesn't matter if you go home to a cardboard box, if you look the part and are congruent in your words and actions, girls won't care.

P.S I would rep you frenchie if I could :-( Good stuff.

Post: #14

(09-04-2013 11:21 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 08:41 AM)PaybackTime Wrote:  Perceived social class does matter, otherwise the bragging culture and peacocking style of urban culture wouldn't be so prevalent, don't mistake it, making it rain or bling are peacocking. I'm not saying you have to pay for shit just that looking like money and preferably being it is crucial if you want to date up and sometimes even your own!

American women definitely expect certain trappings of consumer culture if they plan on dating you or staying around. The PUA stuff might get you laid, but to keep one of these harridans around for awhile (not sure why you would want to waste your time with that), you definitely need to maintain a certain appearance that includes housing, clothing, car, etc. that are all acceptable to her and her friends. These expectations are high enough that they're out of reach for most average males who aren't willing to sell drugs or some other shortcut.

When i tell girls i have a car, a 1 bedroom apartment, and a white collar job it makes them go nuts. Seriously, that stuff makes game powerful. Most guys in the early 20s age bracket do not even come close to that level of affluence.

Very easy to pull girls once you have your own place.

Post: #15

I like this discussion.

Of course social class matters. Like others have said -- we all make assumptions about social class which effect our perceived value.

-I often do better with girls from a lower social class then myself.
-I dress nice so as to appear to be from a high social class
-I have moved up at least one social class in my life and I will continue to move upwards

-I used to sometimes struggle with girls from a higher social class but I have re-programmed myself to understand that I deserve and I am desired by those girls also.

-I practice interacting and seducing girls from a variety of social classes and cultures