Post: #1

One of my natural friends has a girl that will bang him anytime anywhere no matter what. Boyfriends or not he's maintained this girl. He also has this with one other girl. He's somehow managed to foster dependency in her. I'll admit he's very good looking which probably plays a big part

She's completely his

Anyone have this sort of situation? from a game perspectivd what do you so to completely own a woman?

Post: #2

I have a Deep Conversion Course I'm contemplating releasing.

It's very powerful though and in the wrong hands would not be good.

There is a way though and it's a process. Obviously doesn't happen overnight.

Post: #3

A good place to start: http://krauserpua.com/2012/09/12/deep-conversion/

Post: #4

Can anyone expand on this please? Retention is a weak part of my game.

Post: #5

I agree, this sounds interesting..

Post: #6

It's a start (parts of it have worked)

Relevant:

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Post: #8

(10-24-2013 06:34 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  I have a Deep Conversion Course I'm contemplating releasing.

It's very powerful though and in the wrong hands would not be good.

There is a way though and it's a process. Obviously doesn't happen overnight.

McQueen talks about it in his book the Alpha Playboy. I enjoyed it but I agree, its some pretty insidious shit and I have the feeling you will also need to enjoy a bit of drama to pull that off.

I agree that this should not be shared openly on forums. Guys should meet with coaches like McQueen or Krauser in person and let them decide if they are the right person for that knowledge.

Also McQueen, dunno if it happened to you already, but I ve heard if that deep conversion shit goes wrong on the wrong (read:crazy) girl, she can do some fuck up shit to you.

My friend went to Bolivia, ran this on a local girl. When its time for him to go back to UK, she couldnt stand it.

One night he woke up and she was IN HIS FUCKING BEDROOM HOLDING A KNIFE, just staring at him. No fucking idea how she got there. He was freaked out but calm enough to baby talk her into letting go of the knife. Then he called the police.

Suffices to say he never runs that shit again on random girls.

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Post: #10

I've had three LTR's where the girls got extremely attached. Two past, one current. The past two, the girls were heavily invested and were a mess after I ended things.

In my (limited) experience, factors were girls with limited sexual experience (low N or at least being able to out-fuck her formers by a mile), keeping a girl on the side or at least emotionally available (created some unpredictability in my behavior and allows to reduce neediness), and a balance of dominant sex and behavior (not tolerating excessive drama, leading in the streets, spur of the moment dates, not being predictably available via phone or in person) with beta (gifts, cuddling, low-cost original dates).

The key in my opinion (as applicable to LTR's) is to keep your investment at less than hers with a skew towards beta, but have spikes of alpha moments and possibly dread. The degree of each will depend on the structure you already have with the girl.

That being said, I'm in uncharted waters at the moment. My current girl is giving me trouble right now. She was extremely attached to the point of starting to make future places around my life and not her career goals, but right now she wants time off to herself because she "felt like she was losing herself" in me. I made it clear that I won't be there for get emotionally if she isn't there for me (physically), and that if she took too long I'd find other options. Right now we're on radio silence going on a few days.

I'm hoping some of her friends catch me on a date in the meantime, and I'm thinking of "accidentally" texting her something intended for another girl like "sounds like fun "...any suggestions?

Post: #11

I've had that situation a few times without asking for it. Agree with what some of the other posters here have touched on -- you *don't* want to "own a woman."

It may sound cool for a while, but ultimately it goes from physical attraction to emotional dependency and gets much darker as you go on.

What you want is an even-keeled, well adjusted woman who is down with a fuck buddy scenario or whatever situation you guys decide is right for you and someone who gives you your space.

Not only is having a woman obsessed with you a scary thing for you personally, but can also do emotional damage to her and her future relationships going forward.

I was actually going to make a thread about this asking guys how they handle clingy girls. In my experience, if you separate yourself from most men a woman encounters, by running smooth as fuck game and demonstrating high value -- they're not just going to get rid over you so easily.

Post: #12

(08-27-2014 02:53 PM)Mister X Wrote:  I was actually going to make a thread about this asking guys how they handle clingy girls. In my experience, if you separate yourself from most men a woman encounters, by running smooth as fuck game and demonstrating high value -- they're not just going to get rid over you so easily.

They're not just going to get rid of you/get over you so easily*

Post: #13

(08-27-2014 02:53 PM)Mister X Wrote:  I've had that situation a few times without asking for it. Agree with what some of the other posters here have touched on -- you *don't* want to "own a woman."

It may sound cool for a while, but ultimately it goes from physical attraction to emotional dependency and gets much darker as you go on.

What you want is an even-keeled, well adjusted woman who is down with a fuck buddy scenario or whatever situation you guys decide is right for you and someone who gives you your space.

Not only is having a woman obsessed with you a scary thing for you personally, but can also do emotional damage to her and her future relationships going forward.

I was actually going to make a thread about this asking guys how they handle clingy girls. In my experience, if you separate yourself from most men a woman encounters, by running smooth as fuck game and demonstrating high value -- they're not just going to get rid over you so easily.

See sexually owning them is a great thing, emotionally owning them is another.

I don't think I could do that with a girl, yes I want her to be the one only wanting me.

But not overly attached girlfriend style.

Post: #14

(08-27-2014 04:19 PM)kaotic Wrote:  See sexually owning them is a great thing, emotionally owning them is another.

I don't think I could do that with a girl, yes I want her to be the one only wanting me.

But not overly attached girlfriend style.

I can't seem to find that.

What happens for me, in the few times I've had a girl interested in me to the point where I was genuinely scared about what would happen if we were to have a falling out -- it started out purely sexual. Just a ridiculous amount of sexual chemistry, and eventually it turned into her wanting more out of the situation.

I think it's much harder for most women to separate wild sex from emotional attachment. I'm sure there are cases where it does happen, but for me, it just doesn't.

Although I won't deny my part in that. I probably pure it on a little too thick in the beginning when I'm trying to generate chemistry. Maybe I give off the vibe that I want more than just a hook up. Overshoot my goal, so to speak. Sweet talk them and over game them to the point where I'm doing more harm than good.

Post: #15

^ My experience with women exactly.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #16

(08-27-2014 07:24 PM)Mister X Wrote:  

(08-27-2014 04:19 PM)kaotic Wrote:  See sexually owning them is a great thing, emotionally owning them is another.

I don't think I could do that with a girl, yes I want her to be the one only wanting me.

But not overly attached girlfriend style.

I can't seem to find that.

What happens for me, in the few times I've had a girl interested in me to the point where I was genuinely scared about what would happen if we were to have a falling out -- it started out purely sexual. Just a ridiculous amount of sexual chemistry, and eventually it turned into her wanting more out of the situation.

I think it's much harder for most women to separate wild sex from emotional attachment. I'm sure there are cases where it does happen, but for me, it just doesn't.

Although I won't deny my part in that. I probably pure it on a little too thick in the beginning when I'm trying to generate chemistry. Maybe I give off the vibe that I want more than just a hook up. Overshoot my goal, so to speak. Sweet talk them and over game them to the point where I'm doing more harm than good.

Yeah I get what you mean, I've found a balance of satisfying a woman sexually (in the moment) but keeping my distance, letting her make the first moves.

"What are we" "are we dating" "why do I like you so much" "i like you" "i love you" etc.

Thing is you're right

Quote:I think it's much harder for most women to separate wild sex from emotional attachment. '

Post: #17

I wonder if "owning" a woman is about technique or just selection. I am a game newbie, but I've "owned" my wife for 20 years. She will do anything for me and never leave me. Some women, I think, just want to be owned. Probably the ones with the lowest self-esteem.

Post: #18

I'm not sure what to say about women who want to be owned. In many cases, they go out and "dominate the world." Then they get dominated because it's a break for them.

Post: #19

I've only seen aggressive, aloof, possessive, abusing guys do it with their GFs. Ask them. From what I understand it's a combination of regular emotional abuse and insane level of protectiveness in a "you don't go nowhere bitch, you're mine" sense.

It's fucked up cause there are many girls who have a STRONG NEED to be desired and "owned" by a man. However often times it gets out of control cause a girl lets her guy cross the line at some point and since he gets away with a lot he then pushes her boundaries hard and then shit gets more and more nasty. Then we see those couples where some massive douche bosses around his girl [often in public] who is so dominated at this point that she has no courage to break up with him. Life...