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Will girls ever fuck their beta orbiters?

Post: #2

Ever? Yes. Likely? No.

Post: #3

If they get something out of it they will.....

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The science shows that women are attracted to alpha/testosterone 1 week out of the month (while ovulating) and to beta providers the other 3 weeks.

The alpha gets sex quicker, but betas get laid. It's a common misconception where beta sometimes gets misconstrued with omega. Also beta ≠ orbiter.

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(01-07-2014 07:10 PM)murrb Wrote:  Will girls ever fuck their beta orbiters?

It varies by woman. Some women are smart enough to understand that most men won't be attracted to them and take what they can get (i.e. often those who are unattractive but decent people). Other women are unattractive but expect to be treated like they're 11s.

So to answer your question, most women only do so out of desperation, not out of any genuine attraction. However, since betas clearly do reproduce, some girls must fuck their beta orbiters.

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Female attractions is capricious. Beta orbiters sometimes get the drawers and can even get upgraded to legit relationships, but it's a low percentage play. Not to mention, it ain't so good for your self-respect.

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Yes, it happens all the time.

I've heard girls explicitly refer to it as pulling from the 'B team'.

This is how lots of girls operate, especially the ones who aren't bar or club sluts. They can't stand the idea of being single so they skip from one orbiter to the next until a suitable longterm mate comes along. You can be sure that if you're dating a girl and she has 'good' guy friends that she has evaluated them as your potential replacement when the time comes.

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I've had 2 exes marry their orbiters.

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Yes I've done it when I was a beta orbiter but they get free things and attention out of it

Post: #11

Of course.

I am 33 years old and see most of my female peers who are not yet married start going for their "beta orbiters".

Shit, the last two quality women I had a relationship with are now both engaged to orbiters. One is pregnant.

I still get birthday texts, thinking of you texts, etc. Thats part of the deal when you wait around for a woman to make her decision or get dumped. You will always be the one she settled for. That shit will mess with your head if you let it.

Its not an ideal situation and many of the women in my life were caught in a shitty transition between tradition female values and feminism. Even the most successful of my female friends have voiced feeling cheated.

Post: #12

One thing to be clear, though, it is not very likely to happen on anything like the orbiter's terms [would be if he were honest with himself]. She will string him along and extract far more than from other cocks she took for much less.

Also, of course, not all orbiters are equal. Some are chronic beta supplicants, while others just hang around without running any kind of game but not doing anything stupid either. The latter kind of orbiter isn't completely hopeless has basically three potential outcomes. One, is that he simply never makes a move. These orbiters never get anything. They'll wait and wait and somehow the girl will never manage to be in a situation where escalation can "just happen". Two, is that he makes a move but it's a horrible beta embarrassment. These orbiters might get lucky every so often, especially if the girl is getting older, or not that pretty, or is otherwise desperate for some reason. But they are just as likely to endure a really bad rejection. Third, is that the orbiter makes an honest play and asks to start a relationship. In this case, odds are still low, but much better than in the other two scenarios.

The last scenario, is, of course, to run game. Basically-- leave orbit, then return to make a real play from a position of strength.

Post: #13

I've done the beta orbiter thing in the past, and things were moving in the right direction, but in the meantime, I discovered game and realised this chick was not worth the effort (a 6, but attention seeking and overly emotional and with tens of male friends, and only a handful of female friends) and now she's hooked up with someone and to be honest, I don't really care.
I will admit though to still orbiting a slutty ex of mine(also a 6, maybe a 6.5 on a good day), she's more or less single, but we have a good playful vibe going on and I reckon she'd be on for some pipelaying if I was standing in front of her, however she's in a different country now plus I already have something going on here, so could get complicated.

Post: #14

I lost my virginity to a girl I was orbiting. I was sickeningly beta, I did every wrong thing in the book many times over. But after a few months of knowing her and orbiting we eventually started hooking up. Of course this wasn't meant to be, since she never wanted to commit and ended up dumping me for another dude....Without telling me. Yeah, that's how little she respected me.

If you're a beta orbiter and you're asking if it can happen to you then yes, it can. But if it does happen, don't think you're some kind of Casanova. Getting laid by being the ultimate beta fucked me up for years since I thought all it took to get in a girl's pants was to be charming and do everything she told me to do and call/text/IM her 10 times a day, etc. It's something I'm still working to change about myself 10 years down the line.

Post: #15

I'm trying to 'beta orbit' this girl from work right now. I met her in a training class at my work when I was first hired. Took her to happy hour. Then took her out a month later for "Pizza and wine in the park". She had a boyfriend at the time, but was telling me she cheated on him with an older guy (I'm older too). By the end of the night I had her in my lap and was basically groping her, but she wouldn't kiss me. We still text once a month or so.

I have a 4-week training class in a couple of weeks in her neighborhood. She lives an hour or so away from me. I'm hoping to catch her on a good week and get her up to my hotel room to 'watch netflix!'

She's 26, half Mexican, half Carribean, and 110lbs with nice fake tits.

Post: #16

Yes, when they get drunk with them alone and orbiters get some balls. By what I saw and heard, I'll estimate that this happens in 1/15 cases because girls rarely drink alone with their guy friends unless they know they can completely control them.

Also, they will fuck them when they're past their prime and even marry them.

Post: #17

I have a personal story to share: a chick I know has these 3 male friends that are nuts to bang her. Now, I always thought she was hot, but given my circumstances I didn't want to make a move on the wrong time. At a house party, her beta friends tried acting a bit tougher but the beta history they shared had a negative effect on the potential outcome. As I watched the misery of these guys, I went in for the kill. Disrespectin her and not showing my instinct-driven hunger made her curious about me, which ended with me escalating in private.

Not to say that betas don't have their golden moments, but girls chose the betas only when other options are out and for me, the feeling of being the last option would really make the bang mentally a lot worse.

Post: #18

Yes, but it's like selling your soul to the devil. They will be in charge, and you'll be that guy they talk shit about, and they WILL leave you at the drop of a hat.

I heard Dante Nero give a good explanation of this on his podcast. Women will stay with you for the amount of time it took for them to pussy you up, and then they'll leave.

I know some may think, well, as long as I get the bang, it doesn't matter if I act like an orbiter. I think though that your manhood is more important than getting with one girl. Trust me. Towards the end of my last LTR, I was a Saturn-sized beta orbiter around my gf, who had already decided we were done, but I was trying to salvage by being super-nice, and needy. I did a whole day of this, and I could sense the hatred for me from her the whole time. I told myself, I don't care, I'm going to see this through. When I got home that night however, I honest to God could not look at myself in the mirror. I was ashamed that I threw away my manhood for this person.

Long story short: yes, you may get the bang, but both you and her will hate you. Not worth it.

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(01-14-2014 11:43 AM)Frontenac Wrote:  Yes, but it's like selling your soul to the devil. They will be in charge, and you'll be that guy they talk shit about, and they WILL leave you at the drop of a hat.

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Long story short: yes, you may get the bang, but both you and her will hate you. Not worth it.

Agreed, don't waste your time. If you like your dignity getting stomped on and the like.

Post: #20

(01-07-2014 08:37 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(01-07-2014 07:10 PM)murrb Wrote:  Will girls ever fuck their beta orbiters?

If they hang in their long enough, wait for her to be done with all of her sowing of wild oats, and present a good provider case - they too can be Forrest Gump.

WIA

Haha, don't compare these guys to Gump. These guys, in theory at least, are playing with a full set of cards. Gump made the most out of not being quite there (although I guess he didn't really win, from a player's standpoint.)