Post: #1

I have been aproaching directly from long time ago, i have no more AA and seriously think that i'm very good at it.

But i realized that you just cant go direct all the time, a lot of girls will freak out, especially when they are in groups or you are in a situation where there is a lot of people arround.
I had great succes going indirect in great situations, like in a line, in a waiting room, etc.

I arrived to a new city recently and have been trying to use the lost guy game, but i'm really bad at it, i have these two basic problems.

1. People cockblock me unintentionally (this have happenned to me a lot of times this days), when i ask for directions usually there is another people passing by, and tell me almost inmediatly where is the place im looking for, so i have no excuse to continue talking to the girl unless i go direct (i dont think that would look very good i would rather to go direct from the beginning in that case)
also most of the time girls dont know where the fuck they are, so they ask to other people too.

For example, yesterday i was walking late night, there is almost no people in the streets but there are some stores open, almost without customers. I saw two girls walking behind me, a blonde that looks really good, one of them said something like he looks good, the other says like he looks really good, you should ask him if he wants to have a drink with us. I thought they were talking about me, i was really sharp dressed, just coming back from a date with a girl that i met through social circle. But i wasn't really sure, so i stoped and said to the blonde:
- hey girls do you know where this restaurante called +++++? (i was actually looking for it)

They stop without a really friendly face, like 1 second to think, and then this guy jumps from nowhere and says:

- i know where the restaurant is!, it is great i love it, you have to go there and then blablabla

i look at the guy and the girls are inmediatly like ok he will tell you, and leave with bitchy faces, as i didnt interest in their faces (seems more like they were pissed) i tought they maybe where talking about some other guy working in the stores, and followeed the instructions of this guy to go to the restaurant (this guy was not atractive at all so i guess he wasn't the handsome guy either)
The restaurant was just two blocks away, i went there and decided that i was not really hungry, so i came back to the blocks where i met the girls and the random guy, i walked through the stores to see how the superhandsome guy was, but didn't see another guy that i considered above average, so i tought maybe they where actually talking about me but get pissed when they tought i just was talking to them to get directions, didn't seem to consider them hot, and stoped giving them atenttion when random guy appeared.



2. I dont know what to say, as i said, when i go direct i feel some kind of thrill, is like i told her what i want of her and i can talk of whatever i want, she usually likes it, even if she will not go out with me she have curiosity of why am doing that, she feels desired too i guess, i can assume things of her and start making a conversation, because i have already told her why im there. When im going indirect and start assuming things about her she is like so what are you telling this to me? i dont know you and i have stuff to do.
For example, the other day i saw this cute girl with great cleavage, and i asked her for a hardware store, she gave me a smile while telling me where to go, inmediatly i tought in telling her my usual opener (something like you are cute and i want to meet you), but i think it would destroy the purpose of the approach, and there were a lot of people looking at us, so it would made her uncomfortable. I could not think to talk about anything else, i have read that people who go indirect usually ask for their clothes, but she was dress pretty simple, se had a great cleavage and ass anyway.


Any advise? i really think that i need to overcome this, i think the best will be use both, according to the situation.

Post: #2

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Post: #3

You have to carefully select the time and place of approaching.An important parameter is other guys watching you.If there are other guys in the perimetry they are likely to intervene because:
1.They think that if the girl responded to you she will respond to them as well
2.They think that you already preselected the right girls
This is true especially in Mediteranean countries.In one extreme case I lost a girl by cockblock from a guy who came from the other side with a motorbike so it was impossible to calculate the timing of his arrival.

In many cases I do not talk to girls because 4-5 pairs of guys are actively watching and searching.I hit when the guys attention diminishes and then shortly enough to not give them any time to intervene.The whole case has to be completed in 5-10 minutes.
Some tactics:
1.Talking to girls when their backs face a wall so no guy can come from behind.
2.Talking in a language that cannot be understood by nearby guys
3.Not staying in the same place for long time.Changing often venues so it cannot be understood what I am doing by steady watchers.

The most difficult to face are the motorbikers who have the machine advantage.A biker can put you out of position quite easily and can extend his search for hot women in kilometers radios.They are very unpredictable.Hopefully the low temperatures of Eastern and Central Europe as snow and rain do not allow for any serious use of motor bikes and this makes pick up a lot easier.

Post: #4

Your last statement answered your question, be a chameleon of sorts. Both approaches are useful, just let the situation dictate your next move. Never come into a situation without the ability to improvise, improvisational skills make all the difference.

In the scenario with the two girls walking behind you, just go direct in that situation next time. Either they will dig it or not. Least you won't get potentially cock blocked by spectators

Post: #5

Situation #1 happened to me today. I asked a girl where a building was and I think she knew what I was trying to do because of this fat smile she had. Anyway, some professor walking by was like "hey! Let me show you!" I appreciate his helpfulness but c'mon!

Post: #6

You just got problem with conversational skills. You have to learn how to be flirty and talkative. Then you will not see the difference between direct/indirect cause you will naturally just chat/flirt with girls.

My 2 cents... /thread-31002-...#pid609679 [but read whole thread for the context]

Post: #7

You should expand your opening with more prop based openers.

Hey is that a Mark Jacob's phone case?

or even better

Ahhh! The weather out here is great! (nice day after long snow storm)

Prop openers are easier, heck I've opened girls with just a sigh and some inane side statement. The trick is to get them talking.

*2 read day bang

Post: #8

(02-21-2014 11:22 PM)frenchie Wrote:  You should expand your opening with more prop based openers.

Hey is that a Mark Jacob's phone case?

or even better

Ahhh! The weather out here is great! (nice day after long snow storm)

Prop openers are easier, heck I've opened girls with just a sigh and some inane side statement. The trick is to get them talking.

*2 read day bang

That's the whole game (pun intended) in a nutshell: Get them talking and prop openers are just about the easiest way to do that; the sigh/comment opener is a close second.

Post: #9

(02-21-2014 05:52 PM)XXL Wrote:  You just got problem with conversational skills. You have to learn how to be flirty and talkative. Then you will not see the difference between direct/indirect cause you will naturally just chat/flirt with girls.

My 2 cents... /thread-31002-...#pid609679 [but read whole thread for the context]

Great advice in this post.

Yeah i guess, when im direct i create tenasion, i'm flirtly.
When i'm indirect with lost guy game i'm more serious im like i really need to know how to come there.

Yesterday after reading this topic i went out to try indirect again, i finally get a number but still getting a lot of rejections compared to when i use my usual approach. I remember this two cases that hurt because this girls where amazing.

1. I opened a really goodlooking girl that was walking really fast i went again for directions because i was actually looking for it, she answered fast i told her something about her dress being interesting but she was like ok, thanks, bye.
(this happened about two times more, but this girl was looking really good, that is why i remember this particular in particular)

2. In the subway station, superhot girl, i opened asking where should i take my train (again i was serious i didn't even know where the fuck i was), she tells me that i have to go to other place, i still talking about random stuff i'm teasing about local people who seems to know less tham me where they are, we are having a nice funny chat, but it didnt last too long, when the train came she just left with a smile, i had nothing to hold her, the conversation have been short and superficial and she thinks my only intention was to know where i have to take my train, and just was being social after that.

I was convinced to go indirect to practice what i have read. But i think those situations were actually suitable for direct, both girls were alone with no people sorrounding them, so no slut shame factor, and being straightforward could probably impress them and make the time restriction less a problem.


1. In the case of the first girl i have noticed that some times girls are not really hurry but they walk fast. When i open directly to a girl that is walking fast some of them leave me inmediatly, but almost all of them doubt if they should stay and tell me they are in hurry. I usually use misterious romantic guy game, i tell them very smooth that i'm not an average dude and they will lose a lot of fun if they leave, it works very well, i have stopped a lot of girls that where in a real rush. I don't know how can i do that talking about her clothes or random stuff.

2. Lets suppose the subway situation repeats but there is people arround the girl in the stop, i open indirect and we are talking about random stuff, im not taking that train, what should i do? i thought in that situation the best would be to not to tell them where im going to go with them and still talking in the train, that could work too if she gets off at her stop and i have not say her where im going i can get off with her if i feel the conversation is going well but i would have to think quickly to tell her bullshit about why im going to the same way than her (and it will be incredible hard to me since i don't know the city so i don't even know what is near to her station to justify)

If there is no people arround i think direct would work 1000 times better in public transportation, if there is people arround an amazing indirect game and improvisation would be necessary.


Still wanting to improve my indirect, just tought this situations had the worst settings, i'll have to hit a library or bookstore to a more controlled enviorenment.

Saw a really hot girl in a high end female shoes store near my place yesterday, she was busy with clients so i tought i would hit it another day, how would you approach?

Also im using clothes the "you have interesting..." what if a girl has nothing? i mean we are in summer and a lot of times girls just walk with yoga pants and white shirts, no books, no interesting phone cases, clothes, bags, etc. just interesting boobs and asses.

Post: #10

(02-23-2014 01:46 PM)Daygamer Wrote:  Saw a really hot girl in a high end female shoes store near my place yesterday, she was busy with clients so i tought i would hit it another day, how would you approach?

Also im using clothes the "you have interesting..." what if a girl has nothing? i mean we are in summer and a lot of times girls just walk with yoga pants and white shirts, no books, no interesting phone cases, clothes, bags, etc. just interesting boobs and asses.

Sales clerks, you can ask them about which clothing/color fits you better when they're not occupied and then carry the convo and steer it in the direction you want.

To me the simplest indirect is to ask a question, change topic, tease/compliment/challenge her looks/demeanor/answers/vibe/anything, introduce/handshake, flirt, qualify, escalate.

In the end it's all about conversational skills. I hang out with with people and talk with girls about random stuff like how I love pillows or how I hate broccoli and even though those are neutral/safe topics their boyfriends usually want to kill me cause their girls get excited to talk to me. So I don't really believe in direct/indirect no more. It's all about believing your bullshit and being interested in your stuff yourself and owning what you say 100%. Girls read those subcomms and get drawn if they don't mind talking to you.

Post: #11

How much interest do you look for from a girl in a conversation before asking for a number or suggesting a meetup? Often, I don't usually get much interest and if she's not invested in the conversation I can tell that there's no interest so I bail out.