Post: #1

Each time a girl gives me a shit test, I try and shit test it back at her so it looks like I'm the dominant one questioning her. Problem is, recently I've been finding the conversation ends up as just loads of insults and doesn't really go anywhere.

Example of a case:

Her: I do just weed and MDMA

Me: Me and some mates were out in *name of club* with MDMA last night

Her: What were they like? Ohhhhh you didn't invite me

Me: Buzzing lol. You were being too boring think we'll be out friday too

Her: I'm not out Friday. Try not to be sad

Me: Surprise. Would have thought someone who does MD would be less boring

Her: I'm liking you less and less

Me: You don't even know me though..

Her: Okay.




What advice could you give?

Post: #2

When she said try not to be sad i would've replied "how will i ever go on without you"
That would've changed the direction and flow to the conversation.

Or when she said "I'm liking you less and less" i would've replied "well its a good thing you aren't my bodyguard"

Try and keep it playful with light funny banter. If she gets you good then fake punch her in the stomach for light kino.

Game isn't an astro-physics formula, its playing around with your younger brother in the living room.

Also i suggesst you read Chateau Heartiste. He has a huge back log of responding to shit tests post

Post: #3

You used "boring" twice in a row, which was boring and sounded more serious than using it once. Then it seems like you got serious and defensive toward the end there.

Plus her telling you her lack of plans is probably a suggestion to arrange something.

Post: #4

Generally, indifference is better than trying to one up her in an arms race on who's the biggest turd.
Striking back implies that you are affected, ie that you care.

For this particular case I feel you overdid it though. Saying she was being boring at that point was try hard.

Post: #5

In my experience, women are not very witty with this type of banter and can't keep up. But if you enjoy doing it just have fun with it, just don't expect them to carry their weight.

Post: #6

Agree with the other guys that you got defensive with the "you don't even know me though." Keep it playful, don't take anything seriously.

Post: #7

Every guy on this forum should spend two minutes reading this article.

Quote:I have run across several nasty women in my life. None of them were "shit testing" me. They were just unpleasant women who were hostile to men because they weren't getting what they wanted.

Post: #8

you negged her by saying she was boring, then you repeated yourself again that she was boring.

thats probably why the convo went down south when she was showing interest.

Post: #9

(05-01-2014 11:23 PM)RXB Wrote:  Every guy on this forum should spend two minutes reading this article.

Quote:I have run across several nasty women in my life. None of them were "shit testing" me. They were just unpleasant women who were hostile to men because they weren't getting what they wanted.

I read it, but I'm not sure if I understand it.

WIA

Post: #10

(05-01-2014 08:26 AM)ravzanpat123 Wrote:  Each time a girl gives me a shit test, I try and shit test it back at her so it looks like I'm the dominant one questioning her. Problem is, recently I've been finding the conversation ends up as just loads of insults and doesn't really go anywhere.

Well here's your problem.

You're obsessed with "power" and don't really understand it. I'm sure you've used the word "hand" in an online conversation.



I've said this before, and I'll say it again.

Game isn't about having snappy come backs and cool one liners. Talk shit with your boys and try to one up them. It's how men can establish dominance over a group without resorting to violence. (but the truth is, ithe dude who could conceivably kick everybody's ass isn't always the one with the sharpest tongue)

Game is about controlling the conversation so that you can get into her mind and hit her switches and push her buttons.

So if she's trying to tell you about the kind of drugs she does, and you do drugs, you should be guiding her to talk about how fucked up she gets it, and then how "adventurous" she may become.

And by adventurous I mean slutty and open to sexual encounter, just in case you're not reading between thel lines.

And then you ask her have you tried *insert substance* or *insert cool delivery method*, then you offer to teach her, if she's ready, if she's not scared.

You draw her out. You challenge a little bit, but you're not a jackass about it.

You tell her about the time that you were on X, and how your skin felt, and what the music was like, how things smelled differently, and how if everybody did X together, there'd be world peace.

You get her to talk, you get her to tell you her experiences and feelings.
She should ENJOY talking to you. (and you should enjoy the process, although you might not particularly like what she has to say)

Even when you see accomplished dudes in the game go back and forth with a chick, IT'S PLEASURABLE. It's like playing "keep away" with a toddler, or fetch with a dog.

You should be that cool mf'er that's into the same shit she is, and can show her a few tricks...and she can show you a few tricks, cause she's not some "stupid little girl" that's never done anything or been anywhere. You've got to make her feel like she can add something to the party other than her pussy.

Alpha, dominant one, power, control - it's not always brute force and saying I'M BETTER THAN YOU PEASANT, BOW DOWN.

The guy who can supply the good feelings, that can turn it off and turn it on, that can tease..and tease things out of her, who doesn't necessarily give out his approval easily - that's what you're attemtping to do in person, on the phone, or through text.

You may think to yourself, that before the red pill, before you learned about game, you used to be an active listener, someone who remembers, someone who cares, someone who compliments. And before game, this would turn you into the girlfriend, into the emotoinal tampon.

What I'm saying is you take those listening skills, and you encourage her to talk about those things that interest you. And you lead her around. Sometimes you ask quetions, sometimes you listen, but when you speak - you're not just saying, "yeah, that's fucked up, or I agree with you, or I disagree and want to get into a battle of logic".

You take the one little piece that can turn into the foundation which you fill fuck her upon, and get her to start laying bricks. You may be "a good listener", but what you're really doing is getting her to relive her memories, to think about things that you want her to think about. And you're planting seeds, you're setting things up, you're getting intel, you're weaving your own desires and expectations into the conversation.

In terms of time, this isn't taking much time at all when you're talking to her. You can get the conversation popping in the right direction in a couple of minutes.

But you need to be thinking STRATEGICALLY when you talk to a chick. Most guys are either in the moment just reacting, or in their heads not doing a damn thing. I'm asking you to be ACTIVE, active in all of your conversations with this chick. That means you've got your game face on and you're ready to rock, everytime your phone buzzes.

WIA

Post: #11

Another one of your issues is that you're seeing everything as a shit test.

Her: What were they like? Ohhhhh you didn't invite me

I don't think this is a shit test. She was just being playful. If you see everything as a shit test then you're going to keep giving stupid replies. Just be normal. I can't even remember the last time a girl actually shit tested me. I'm sure i've gotten many of them, but I literally don't even register them as shit tests. I don't even know what a girl can possibly even shit test me on.

tl: dr: "Shit testing" is one of (many) fucked up things that the pickup community talks about. Best to unlearn that nonsense.

Post: #12

(05-01-2014 08:26 AM)ravzanpat123 Wrote:  Each time a girl gives me a shit test, I try and shit test it back at her so it looks like I'm the dominant one questioning her. Problem is, recently I've been finding the conversation ends up as just loads of insults and doesn't really go anywhere.

That's common. In your example you just insulted her for being interested. Stop blindly executing pickup moves and pay attention to girls you talk to. They show you where they at [with you] which tells you what to do.

Her: I do just weed and MDMA
Me: Me and some mates were out in *name of club* with MDMA last night
Her: What were they like? Ohhhhh you didn't invite me [that's a sign of interest dummy, she wanted to party with you...]
Me: Buzzing lol. You were being too boring Wink think we'll be out friday too [... but you attacked her for being interested. bravo]
Her: I'm not out Friday. Try not to be sad [connection over. now she's getting back at you just to show you]
Me: Surprise. Would have thought someone who does MD would be less boring [downhill spiral continues...]
Her: I'm liking you less and less [aka "get lost"]
Me: You don't even know me though.. [oh how sweet of you.. too late though]
Her: Okay. [aka "fuck off"]