Post: #1

Since Roosh posted this thread about him being back in America for a month: /thread-34915.html

we've had a few blogs and threads on how the Game is rapidly changing and becoming much harder to those who are not quite at the very top X%.

I've had some thoughts about this for a while, and have read a few observations others here made that resonate well with my experience in the field. The biggest value I get from the sharing of insights on RVF and the likes is that it keeps me sane.

I've been thinking about how all this affects me in my local scene, and one question I've been pondering is: "What is my competition?" What am I really up against when I'm out there in the field approaching girls? It is "what", not "who" due to reasons I'll lay out below.

Firstly, the 1% vs 99% in Game is a new thing started on RVF, I believe. On other manosphere sites I read, they always talk about the top 20% of guys doing the 80% of girls or the banging. My field experience tells me that either those guys live in a pussy paradise, or they are keyboard experts who don't get out much. Considering that most of them are married or in LTR, I'm guessing the latter.

I know the top 20%. Those would be my friends and I. We are in our late 20s, early 30s, athletic, make 6-digits or thereabout, dress well, are very social and have many hobbies. Compared to the mass of generic guys in this city, we are definitely in the top 20%. Yet when we're out there, our failure rate with women is super high. I'm more successful than most of them simply due to numbers game. But I can't really say with a straight face that I'm in a group of guys doing 80% of the banging or attracting 80% of the girls. We work hard for each bang. Very hard. Much harder than a few years ago even, despite our values having increased a lot.

The 1% doing 80% of the banging jives with my experience more. Out of all those guys I know, there are a handful who would be considered successful with women in my book, as in, they'd easily attract them, hold their attention and get the bang without much work. Three come to my mind. One is a good looking white guy who has fame game (or rather, he works on top TV shows so can give the girls taste of fame), one is a super good looking white guy (both parents are 10 in looks) who makes HB8s walk into poles on the streets, the other is a very good looking eurasian guy who comes from old money and top connections. They all have good game simply from so much practice with hot women. I have no realistic chance competing against any of them.

Yet, I don't feel they - or guys like them - are my competition in the field most of the times. There are very few of them around, and there are way more girls I find attractive than the number of girls those guys can realistically entertain. However, it's getting harder & harder for guys like me in the lower percentile to even hold the attention of lesser attractive girls who would be invisible to those 1% guys.

Roosh & a few others commented in the above thread that they don't believe the 1% is doing enough banging to satisfy the demands. I don't think they're doing 80% of the banging, nor even capturing the attention of 80% of girls. It appears that social media and smart phones are a much bigger problem capturing too much attention from girls.

I have to say, when I'm out in the field during day game, night game or even social circle game (house parties), I'm up against social media & smart phones, and the resulting stupor and social skill retardation of my target girls (18-30) way more often than any 1% guy. Frequently I'd be at venues where there are very few guys of any quality whatsoever, and the girls simply check out by gluing their faces to the phones or gossip among each other. Rarely I'd get any white knight or male cockblock in my way, and when there is, I'd deal with him easily. Female cockblocks are way more common and tougher, but they are less of an obstacle for me than the inability of most girls to hold basic conversation, their lack of curiosity and ultra low attention span.

I see very very few random hookups. People go to night clubs or house parties, interact with then go home with the same group they arrive with. They don't even talk to friends of friends that they don't already know beforehand. It takes guys like me with good social skills approaching at house parties to get groups of people talking to those outside of their close-knitted groups. That is at house parties, birthday parties, wedding receptions etc. where everyone at least shares a few common friends, not at night clubs or day game with complete strangers! The last hookups I saw at those events in my social circle were my mate (the host) banging a slut in an open relationship (he already lined her up before the party, and there were plenty of guys queuing up to hit on her too, as other chicks weren't open at all to approaches), and me banging my ex from years back for old time's sake (honest version: me striking out with other girls lol).

Stats (incl those from my country, Australia) are showing that women are having much less sex than even 10 years ago. I wonder if social media are killing their libido and satisfying their attention needs to the point where if they can't get a 1% guy, they'd rather go completely without a man, even say a 5%er. There are lots of women I know who are single and appear stressed and constantly pissed off. I can only guess from experience, but they look like they haven't had regular good dicking for a while.

One of the tropes you often see on manosphere blogs is that you gotta get it in asap, because you know she gives it up quick to other guys before you. If you don't bang her the same night you meet, she will call over some alpha (the 1%) who will fuck her good and make her forget about you. All of those imply that your competition is a top dog alpha, the 1%ers, who are always available to service all the girls you run into. The thing is, I know the 1% guys in my scene, they are definitely not doing all of the girls, just a few albeit always very attractive ones. While I definitely agree that waiting too long for sex is a sucker's game, I'm not so paranoid to think that she will immediately fuck someone else if I don't fuck her. Maybe a certain significant minority of girls will do so, but not most.

When I've managed to get through the initial bitch shield and have a solid interaction or even go on a kind of date (I usually just say I'm going to X on Y night/day, come hang out) with the girl one on one, I've never felt like I'm competing against a 1%er in her life or she even has one on the radar. Rather, I feel I'm up against an alpha in virtual reality (i.e social media) and in her fantasy who can give her the kind of entertainment and lifestyle that her friends would envy.

In the past, if I had a great interaction with a girl, with solid attraction and built up a connection, I could call or text her next time, she would respond swiftly and agree to meet up soon. Things just naturally progressed from there. There would be flakes and so on, but the ratio was good enough to live with. Now, her brain and emotions are so over stimulated by social media that shortly after spending time with me, her attention (with associated feelings) for me has already been gone through her swiping and scrolling on Facebook and Instagram for updates and likes. That means flake after flake after flake.

It's one thing to compete against other guys, even the 1%ers. It's another to compete against virtual reality. I'm not quite sure how to deal with the latter. Numbers game has been my answer so far, but time for me is a precious resource which means I don't have time to approach enough to push the numbers game much further.

Anecdotally, the best successes I've had with women recently were with those who for some reason hate smart phones and social media, and they're all foreign. My most favourite (a STR) is a small town French girl who has an old Nokia brick and no social media account. Maybe that's my answer! But until I can become location independent, I will have to do most of my Gaming in this Australian city, which by all accounts is just like other terrible cities (DC, Toronto etc.) of the Anglosphere. That means I have to deal with the aforementioned fantastical competition.

So, what is your competition in your local scene?

Post: #2

Mate, there is very few reasons why so many people on this forum live abroad. I could probably count all those reasons on one hand.
It doesn't have to be a pussy paradise, but being from a different country is always going to spark someones interest from the local women.

For example: I am from Australia, I have been living in Norway for 2.5 years.
I am always going to have little competition with the local guys, even if I have shit game.
The reaction from local girls is astounding. They want to talk about home and away and practice english and ask about surfing and sharks and all that crap.
Granted, all the local women here are sluts and one night stands are not at all frowned upon. But its enough to just say hello and introduce yourself in English, then you just have to keep their attention until they want to head home.

I would have to say... Being from Australia and going out in a different country is probably the only thing that has given me the edge over my competition. Unless you are in countries where the local guys have absolutely NO game ie. Germany, Poland.

Now, the places I have found that being foreign in a different country has not worked in my favour are France, Netherlands, Ireland, Spain and London (the rest of the UK is alright).
Basically places that are already flooded with shitcunt Aussies.
Not to worry, I could write a 10 page article about why you don't want to fuck girls from those countries anyway.


You may think that you are not location independent.... But you are. Just depends on how much work you are willing to put in.

Post: #3

Quote:You may think that you are not location independent.... But you are. Just depends on how much work you are willing to put in.

I am putting in the work, I'm just not yet at that stage. Probably 4-5 more years.

For the time being, I'm stuck here with the occasional / annual overseas holidays.

Post: #4

I have thinking about this a lot lately as well. I am also from Australia and I can vouch for what StrikeBack has said. It is very reflective of the situation here in Sydney.

I have noticed that over the past 4-5 years, girls have just generally become much colder when interacting with guys. Only around 6-7 years ago, they were much more receptive and easier to lay. I believe that this has occurred nearly completely because of the rise of the smartphone/tablet.

Women receive incredible amounts of social validation via social media these days, and this validation is being fed to them via their smartphones/tablet device 24 hours a day. All a girl has to do is post a new profile picture on Facebook and she'll receive hundreds of 'likes' with an endless amount of 'OMG you're so pretty' comments from both guys and girls. If she creates an online dating profile, she'll receive thousands of messages within a few days.

It just seems like they're content with just being fed an endless stream of social validation via Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat, LINE, various online dating sites etc. and only having sex if they happen to meet a man who's in the top 1 - 3%. This is even reflected in new data (which I believe has been posted somewhere here in RVF) that shows that women are having much less sex these days compared to even 10 years ago.

This phenomenon of girls constantly receiving social validation is not confined to just Western countries. When I was in Japan and Taiwan, this was just as widespread as it is in Australia (if not even worse). There is no escaping it. All we can do as men is to do what we do best - adapt.

I believe that moving abroad is one of the best things a man these days can do. Even though wherever you go in the world, the girls will be obsessed with social media and smartphones, being a foreigner will at least give you SOME advantage. You'll at least be able to use your foreignness to pull a girl's attention away from her smartphone (at least temporarily).

I'm in my mid 20s, and I'm working very hard now to secure a location-independent income for myself. My plan is to leave Australia by the time I reach age 30. Whilst I love Australia - the lifestyle, the culture, the scenery and the comfortable living - the situation with the women here is just horrible.

Edit: when I wrote this reply I actually only just skimmed through your post. I actually went back and read the whole thing, and it seems that we're thinking the exact same thing haha.

Post: #5

Weird that our experiences are so similar - and just like those of guys in other parts of the Anglosphere. I've seen it from guys I know IRL, but I can't always rely on blue pill guys to report in details and truthfully.

Quote:It just seems like they're content with just being fed an endless stream of social validation via Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat, LINE, various online dating sites etc. and only having sex if they happen to meet a man who's in the top 1 - 3%. This is even reflected in new data (which I believe has been posted somewhere here in RVF) that shows that women are having much less sex these days compared to even 10 years ago.

I reckon women are having less sex overall (frequency, volume) but having MORE notch counts (from the top 1% and the passport dicks on their numerous travels) which give the contradicting impressions that they are sluttier yet don't put out much.

Post: #6

It's not that bad in my country, women are slim, receptive and feminine, but I can see the western trends and mentality sneaking in. Social media and Hollywood make their standards skyrocket and it's not uncommon here to see a 6 pricing her pussy like she's 9.

There is a solution for this that I noticed while I was in Hungary recently: Legalize prostitution. It strips women of their power completely and makes them kind, pretty and pleasant to the point of 80% of them being wife material.

Post: #7

I only agree with the social media thoughts. Other men aren't my competition I have no competition because I am not competing for anything. I think the mixture of social media and men chasing is why people are finding things hard. It is MUCH EASIER for a average chick to learn that thousands of men would fuck her. It reminds me of my pornstar friend who was calling one guy a fan. When she was younger her entitlement was HIGH!!! Now everyone can realize that as one of my female friends best friend has 250k followers.

Problem is men are thirsty in this generation. We have forgotten what it was like to be an actual man who would see a hot chick an think "just another chick with a nice leg n a thigh." Chicks had to come with more substance and a guy wasn't instantly dtf.

I still remember when my pornstar friend who was a dominatrix broke down how she milks/teases guys to pay for more and more videos along with her clients who she makes them feel like she's fallen in love with them.

I guess possibility wise I am in the 1% meaning sex is always there if I want. Like others said sex is less frequent, I know women part of modeling agencies who only 1 has had sex with about 6-7 guys in the past year. Most mention not having sex in 6 months, 8 months, etc. (One girl asked to hookup next day that way she can shave sense its been awhile)

Thing is sex is becoming an event rather than a regular fun thing. One thing that is going to be sad is the amount of people who can't have good sex and lack the accessibility to learn.

P.S...I can see some manipulative douche playing the role of a guy who feels highly connected and wanting to know her deeply even opt-in to not have sex that night. I say this because shallow loose interactions is the norm now. All these validation junkies would crave a guy who likes her and is willing to explore more. I say this because that's how many of my girls ended up on relationships as of late. Chicks who would always stick me and now moving on for the sake of a guy who supposedly deeply cares.

Post: #8

I have to agree with Strikeback. I've experienced the same issue and I have significantly improved myself financially and physically. I posted in the "how to be a good clown" thread that I put in a lot of work nowadays for a lot of average looking girls. Every now and then a hot one will sneak between the cracks but its generally a numbers game. My old player friends say that it wasn't as bad as it is now. When I go out I don't really see guys doing approaches or leaving with girls. I usually see a group of people with bottle service and they all leave together. Girls dancing together, girls night out/bachelorette. Sometimes you can get a straggler but even that is rare and the girls cockblocking is fierce.

Not sure if this has to do with guys being really thirsty these days or social media. If guys/orbiters weren't validating these girls, liking their pictures, and leaving thirsty comments then maybe it would stop. Regardless, moving overseas isn't a very good option since most of my family is where I live. I feel like there is a way we can overcome this, I just haven't thought of a good idea.

Funny how this all sounds like the book Atlas Shrugged in a different context.

Post: #9

(05-07-2014 03:46 AM)Distant Light Wrote:  Like others said sex is less frequent, I know women part of modeling agencies who only 1 has had sex with about 6-7 guys in the past year. Most mention not having sex in 6 months, 8 months, etc. (One girl asked to hookup next day that way she can shave sense its been awhile)

Thing is sex is becoming an event rather than a regular fun thing. One thing that is going to be sad is the amount of people who can't have good sex and lack the accessibility to learn.

Interesting observation there mate.

I don't have the intel to know much about it other than going by my gut and best guesses, but I can definitely see the truth in it. Why do you think those attractive women are getting laid so rarely? Female sex drive may be less than male, but surely can't be that bad?

Post: #10

I'm paraphasing here but I remember reading it somewhere so you can take it or leave it.

There was a survey done, asking women which they rather go without: their iPhone or sex?

I remember the majority said they rather go without sex.

I tend to sit in my lectures and scope out who has what phone. Then you start ticking off the girls with iPhones.
I remember scoping one with a Nokia brick and immediately thinking "APPROACH,APPROACH!!!" After the lecture, I look around and there she is getting tongue fucked by her boyfriend.

Discourage women from buying iPhones.

Post: #11

(05-07-2014 02:29 AM)funkyzeit Wrote:  There is a solution for this that I noticed while I was in Hungary recently: Legalize prostitution. It strips women of their power completely and makes them kind, pretty and pleasant to the point of 80% of them being wife material.

Interesting.

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Post: #13

I may be dating myself here but f-it...

20 years ago, to even think about holding a guy's attention a girl had to "get down" and 90% of your interaction was in person.

With the advent of social media in all it's forms, they are able to dip their toes in the water without their whole body getting wet through validation

A virtual smorgasboard of cock at her disposal, think of going to your favorite restaurant and the menu is now 10 pages. The REAL competition is her latest phone app...

Post: #14

(05-06-2014 10:38 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  My most favourite (a STR) is a small town French girl who has an old Nokia brick and no social media account.

I concur. The only girl I've met in over 2 years who I would have considered getting into a relationship with did not have a smartphone, by choice.

(05-06-2014 10:38 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  One of the tropes you often see on manosphere blogs is that you gotta get it in asap, because you know she gives it up quick to other guys before you. If you don't bang her the same night you meet, she will call over some alpha (the 1%) who will fuck her good and make her forget about you.

I definitely agree about having to get the bang quickly, I always go for it on the first date now. I don't think it's because they all have super alpha fuck buddies on speed dial, I think it has more to do with instant gratification and the constant stream of male attention good looking girls get these days. There's always a shiny new exciting cock to ride right around the corner if that's what they're into.

Relevant:

(05-07-2014 03:46 AM)Distant Light Wrote:  Like others said sex is less frequent, I know women part of modeling agencies who only 1 has had sex with about 6-7 guys in the past year. Most mention not having sex in 6 months, 8 months, etc. (One girl asked to hookup next day that way she can shave sense its been awhile)

Thing is sex is becoming an event rather than a regular fun thing. One thing that is going to be sad is the amount of people who can't have good sex and lack the accessibility to learn.

It's interesting, I too know good looking girls who aren't having much sex, by choice. Meanwhile the girls who want casual dick are indulging in more then they can even handle. Atm I'm really just thankful to be getting laid regularly enough, even if my entire angle is basically a game of "find the slut" who fits my niche. I feel bad complaining, almost all of my single male friends outside of game are involuntarily celibate 95% of the time. The average man claims to have sex with 10, maybe 12 women in his lifetime in surveys. Only 1 a year on average from when he loses his virginity to when he gets married...... Spending time on this forum distorts what our perception of normal is.

I'm wary of complaining too much, I know veteran players who have sex lives I can only dream at the moment (shout to Distant Light who fits that bill, you are an inspiration). I refuse to get too negative until I get to their level of game and lifestyle. That said, all of the ones I know personally prefer women overseas even though they have it made here. I too plan on expatriating in 5-6 years and pursuing my career overseas, until then the only thing to do is hustle and try to max out every area of life.

It's bad to be blind the realities of your environment, but it's also bad to let a shitty environment be a limiting belief or sap your motivation. I know too many guys who are still beginners who bitch about their home even though they've never even traveled. Guys into game have learned not to rationalize why they're not getting laid on race and height anymore, so now they blame their city/country, it's all ego.

I feel really sorry for guys who were dealt a genuinely bad hand by genetics. I count my lucky stars I wasn't born short, ugly or introverted. I'm a male 7 atm, young, decent looking, average height, minority, tight style and naturally confident + charismatic and putting on muscle. I feel like I'd have to go a full point below my own rating on the scale to not have to compete with other dudes for a girl's attention, be a relatively easily same night lay or fall for me. Meanwhile getting girl a full point above my rating feels like an event. I see the same thing going on with guys both higher and lower on the scale than me, in most relationships I see around me the guy is a full point higher than his girlfriend. It's depressing, but I'm always thinking long-term, and this environment is all the more motivation to be a male 10 ten years from now.

We only have two options, we can be defeated and quit, or we can max out every area of our lives we possibly can to become male dime's while we go to where we can do the most damage. The later is what Roosh did. The later is what we should be doing all the time. Constantly improving ourselves knowing that in the long-term our efforts will pay off for us massively, while focusing on our respective niches and where each of us can get the highest ROI in the present moment, whether it be in Brazil or the local hipster bar.

(05-06-2014 10:38 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  the other is a very good looking eurasian guy who comes from old money and top connections.

I think I know this guy... Pickup coach who plays a lot of internet poker?

Post: #15

(05-07-2014 08:20 AM)heavy Wrote:  

(05-07-2014 02:29 AM)funkyzeit Wrote:  There is a solution for this that I noticed while I was in Hungary recently: Legalize prostitution. It strips women of their power completely and makes them kind, pretty and pleasant to the point of 80% of them being wife material.

Interesting.

Prostitution is also legal e.g. in Germany and Spain, and these countries are pussy wastelands, so that can't be the explanation.

Post: #16

Spot on about Hungary.
Nothing like seeing hot streetwalkers 24/7 in public display in a residential neighbourhood. They were right beside a supermarket, I tried not to break my neck as I was with my ex and her family.
Germany I gather has loads of brothels and it is not in public display.

Post: #17

I'm from Europe but I live in LA, while also spending time in Miami. IMO the top 2 cities with the hottest women from allover the world, but also the most fierce competition. No disrespect to people like Roosh, who I've learned so much from, but I could NEVER sacrifice living in these amazing cities to move to an ugly, cold place like Poland or Ukraine just to have an easier time pulling girls with less competition. Maybe I'm just not as driven by notches as I am by financial success and lifestyle, or at least less than some guys. I think as a man you owe it to yourself to go and live in the best city for LIFESTYLE, instead of the best city for GAME, and make that city your bitch.

Post: #18

(05-07-2014 01:23 PM)cocoballs Wrote:  I'm from Europe but I live in LA, while also spending time in Miami. IMO the top 2 cities with the hottest women from allover the world, but also the most fierce competition. No disrespect to people like Roosh, who I've learned so much from, but I could NEVER sacrifice living in these amazing cities to move to an ugly, cold place like Poland or Ukraine just to have an easier time pulling girls with less competition. Maybe I'm just not as driven by notches as I am by financial success and lifestyle, or at least less than some guys. I think as a man you owe it to yourself to go and live in the best city for LIFESTYLE, instead of the best city for GAME, and make that city your bitch.

If you can pull top notch trim in L.A. and Miami, you are most certainly in the top 5% of guys and there's no need for you to head to a 3rd/2nd world country when you're living in a first world pussy paradise. Those two cities though are horrible for men that are closer to average. An average man would be better off in Minneapolis or Atlanta than L.A. or Miami.

Post: #19

Yea but who the fuck wants to be average? And what is the definition of average anyway? I promise you, before I learned game, I wasn't pulling shit! And I don't really look much different then back then. It's all about game and confidence.

Post: #20

There isn't much competition to say, but dudes are thirsty here and will go overboard for pussy.
The ratios are bad like any western city and the girls overvalue themselves, so competition is not the problem but the attitude of the women.

Post: #21

Quote: Interesting observation there mate.

I don't have the intel to know much about it other than going by my gut and best guesses, but I can definitely see the truth in it. Why do you think those attractive women are getting laid so rarely? Female sex drive may be less than male, but surely can't be that bad?

IMO females have higher sex drive it is just they have better self control. Female masturbation is HIGH!!!!! Many of my female friends masturbate before they come out (once heard one of them state they forgot to before coming out)

Thing is most people want validation over sex, most sex is ego centric with people worrying if they performed well and gave orgasms. That's immature sex (seeking fulfilment other than fun pleasurable experience)

These girls mode, do instagram, get free shit and in an environment where it is at worst 60% women 40% men. One chick I know turns out SHE DOES NOT SMOKE, I always run into her there. Turned out she goes with friends in hopes of meeting THE RIGHT GUY.

Validation for a woman is easy nowadays thanks to social media. These same hot chicks taking sexy pics the BEFORE MOMENT AND AFTER is her back to her bored "waiting for a meteor to strike" vibe. Chicks used to love when I showed up because it was wild fun. All my friends have fun and as a result we all hookup with all these women. Problem is were so few and were conditioned due to the abundance around is makes us non-thirsty.

Chicks bang yes-men out of lack of options which is why most guys chasing these chicks feel like they defeats the odds...

Last saturday out with my boy...he texts days later stating he banged the Czech model next to me. I DO NOT EVEN REMEMBER HER. I tell him I remember a blond girl on sofa next to me. He says it wasn't her, that chick just showed up and talked to me. On friday, 2 chicks blatantly were trying to have a 3some.

My game isn't AWESOME, its just I am a fun guy who has no thirst factor because I will not chase chicks, I find no incentive to do so. Ironically this makes women love me because if I do mess with them they know it is because she actively did things to peak my interest.

Just read instagram or porn site comments. Dudes willing to eat a chicks fart, would give there left nutsack, etc just to suck on some hot chicks tits. Chick have to do nothing, there is no emotional stimulation just a zombie who is thirsty for pussy.

Most men who make the jump and have some success is usually the ones who created abundance through sheer persistent and raking up numbers. A man exhausted with a 8 girl rotation isn't going to be as thirsty because he's already full.

The so called 1% men are the ones who know their value and even if he has 0 girls there is no thirst because he knows when he steps shit is gonna change her life. If I didn't hang in the high end scene I would not know so many guys good with women. That environment changed them making them less thirsty. If I showed you 5-6 of my friends who know each other and basically fuck only high fashion models your mind wouldn't comprehend what is happening. I still remember watching one 3way makeout with 2 models. These guys DO NOT LOOK LIKE GUYS WHO FUCK MODELS. My one good friend actually got really upset at one of them because his girlfriend is gorgeous and he is ugly. He can't understand how such an attractive woman would be fucking/dating him and she's not even drunk.

When you interact with those guys though, you can tell there is not a chaser bone in them its as if they can give 2 fucks about women and do things out of charity.

(I think all of those guys know way more hotter chicks than I ever did. One of them a few years back stated he had about 600 different models phone numbers)

Quote: I feel bad complaining, almost all of my single male friends outside of game are involuntarily celibate 95% of the time.

This is a sad truth and it shouldn't be, if you masturbate then you should be seeking out sexual experiences with humans because the level of relaxation and pleasure is something most will never experience.

Even worst is when I see people in shit relationships or making me realize sex isn't always present in most mens world. (This is why I never tell stories in real life other than my fuckups and hilarous shit)

Quote: That said, all of the ones I know personally prefer women overseas even though they have it made here. I too plan on expatriating in 5-6 years and pursuing my career overseas, until then the only thing to do is hustle and try to max out every area of life.

My friends are doing this too with raving success and its also been much more fulfilling for them.

IMO it is nothing better than being fully plugged into a city (or multiple) its a whole different feel to everything when you actually have social shit going on and if someone flies in you can provide insider access.

Irony is many of my friends are and are becoming concierge-like

Overall
I feel more bad for women than men...

Men have a long time to learn lessons. Women, as soon as there looks fade things become shake. Not all women will maintain hotness in there 40s.

When I look at myself in 20 years it makes me feel sad for the women currently in my life because I will just be doing this on a much bigger scale with 20 years of experience and growth...some are already going the mom route.

I always look at films from 70s n 80s the gorgeous women with amazing bodies. (Chicks back then had much better body) I wouldn't bang them in this era. Same applies now in next 20-30 years later.

Post: #22

The OP really resonated with me. Lately I've been using the mantra 'I have no competition'. Or put another way, my only competition is myself. Basically, if you approach consistently, stay fit, dress well and are focused on improving yourself, you are already blowing away 99% of the guys in the club and on the street. So your external competition is close to nil. That's my mindset.

As for the smartphone/social media phenomenon, I don't have much to say. Yes, it makes things harder, but it's a fact of life now, for men and women. I'm posting on this forum right now when I should out flirting, working out, reading, etc.

Post: #23

Distant Light +1 from me hombre for spitting fire!

Post: #24

(05-07-2014 01:30 PM)cocoballs Wrote:  Yea but who the fuck wants to be average? And what is the definition of average anyway? I promise you, before I learned game, I wasn't pulling shit! And I don't really look much different then back then. It's all about game and confidence.

I do. Throw me a couple of 6s and 7s every now and then and Im a happy guy.

Post: #25

(05-07-2014 07:43 AM)CarCrashKid Wrote:  There was a survey done, asking women which they rather go without: their iPhone or sex?

I remember the majority said they rather go without sex.

I remember that, but thought women were just giving joke answers.

(05-07-2014 09:14 AM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  I may be dating myself here but f-it...

20 years ago, to even think about holding a guy's attention a girl had to "get down" and 90% of your interaction was in person.

With the advent of social media in all it's forms, they are able to dip their toes in the water without their whole body getting wet through validation

A virtual smorgasboard of cock at her disposal, think of going to your favorite restaurant and the menu is now 10 pages. The REAL competition is her latest phone app...

As recent as 2008 (shortly before Facebook and smartphones became popular here), I used to *call* girls I only just met and they were answering instantly. I hated TXTing (still do) back then.

If I said let's get coffee this afternoon, they'd come along and we'd wing it from there. That was understood as a casual way to get to know each other. Now they'd umm and ahh as if I was asking them out officially and pledging my eternal love.

(05-07-2014 10:49 AM)Deluge Wrote:  I think I know this guy... Pickup coach who plays a lot of internet poker?

Nope, he's in finance. I don't actually know any PUA or even Red Pill guys IRL. Maybe some acquaintances would dabble in those, but I wouldn't know.

(05-07-2014 11:02 AM)WD-40 Wrote:  Prostitution is also legal e.g. in Germany and Spain, and these countries are pussy wastelands, so that can't be the explanation.

Prostitution is legal in my country, Australia, and it makes no difference. It's the social acceptance. Prostitution is ILLEGAL in SEA but socially accepted and you can see the stark contrast in attitudes.

Distant Light Wrote:My game isn't AWESOME, its just I am a fun guy who has no thirst factor because I will not chase chicks, I find no incentive to do so. Ironically this makes women love me because if I do mess with them they know it is because she actively did things to peak my interest.

I think you're not giving yourself (looks, lifestyle and game) enough credit, mate. Same with your friends.

I'm a fun guy (that's often the first thing people notice about me: high energy and enjoying myself), I don't get thirsty even when I have zero option, have never chased a girl nor bought my exes anything substantial (my gifts, if I give at all, are always homemade). But I don't have models - or even standard issued attractive girls, shiiit, average plain janes - constantly trying to get my attention and dick! lol

Awesome post, regardless.

I have no such lofty ambition with women though. I'm content with average somewhat attractive girls, as long as they pass the boner test. I'm more passionate about other things I do. My problem is - and I feel it's getting like that for many other guys here too - that the Game is getting more and more costly to the point where a guy like me, still in the top percentiles just not the very top, has to get into the 1% (figuratively) just to get some success with average attractive women.

Roosh wrote some predictions about this in 2010:

http://www.rooshv.com/the-future-of-game

I read it a while ago, just didn't realise it's coming true so quickly.