Post: #101

That's what I mean, if a guy of Arabic descent that is purely westernized and secular and completely devoted to mingle with Europeans and the Nordics without standing out at all as another culture or so as well as being keen on having European friends solely.

Post: #102

(09-28-2014 05:56 PM)Helmutnl Wrote:  That's what I mean, if a guy of Arabic descent that is purely westernized and secular and completely devoted to mingle with Europeans and the Nordics without standing out at all as another culture or so as well as being keen on having European friends solely.

Yes,if you take out all this Islam and peculiar habits you will do O.K.But how is it is possible that?

Post: #103

I am inclined to be this way not just faking it for dating girls or so, so it would look natural.

Post: #104

Negative racial stereotypes.

It's as simple as that.

Post: #105

I lived in the Middle East for 2 years and have been to Europe many times. Arab men for the most part are the biggest hypocrites when it comes to the interaction between sexes. From how they think women should dress to how they behave around other women to dating. Not all are like this, but a big portion are. In Europe, the men should cock block these guys as they don't allow them to go after their arab women. Creating more competition for their own women. Plus the women are getting around the fact that theses guys aren't long term material for various factors ( religion, pressure on his / her side to marry one from the clan etc). Now there are genuine middle easterners who do not fit the stereotypes,,,but with every stereotype there are some truths. When Arabs become less hypocritical, less macho and the others have a fair go at their women ( not go through hoops), then I believe things will change for them.

Post: #106

(09-28-2014 08:55 PM)tomtud Wrote:  I lived in the Middle East for 2 years and have been to Europe many times. Arab men for the most part are the biggest hypocrites when it comes to the interaction between sexes. From how they think women should dress to how they behave around other women to dating. Not all are like this, but a big portion are. In Europe, the men should cock block these guys as they don't allow them to go after their arab women.Creating more competition for their own women. Plus the women are getting around the fact that theses guys aren't long term material for various factors ( religion, pressure on his / her side to marry one from the clan etc). Now there are genuine middle easterners who do not fit the stereotypes,,,but with every stereotype there are some truths. When Arabs become less hypocritical, less macho and the others have a fair go at their women ( not go through hoops), then I believe things will change for them.

Are you trolling?

Post: #107

(09-29-2014 05:56 PM)L M McCoy Wrote:  Are you trolling?

While I think it is beta to actively cockblock any male, there is an unspoken agreement here. Pussy is a commodity. You want to bang foreign pussy, then you can't be racist in reverse and not allow others to bang local women. Of course you can, but don't bitch about it when the locals don't look favorably on you.

What is it you find weird about this? Their women are completely off limits to the point it would be legit dangerous to pursue them. They think so lowly of outsiders that they'd get violent over it, so why would you let anyone with such disdain get access?

I am honestly perplexed how this isn't obvious to everyone. Quid pro quo. I suppose, a cultural difference, perhaps another reason why the two don't mesh well.

Post: #108

This is quite an engaging discussion and I'll throw my experience in.

I'm 1/4 Arabic, 1/4 Turkish and 1/2 Polish. My name is Arabic though my very Catholic Mom had me baptized David. My Dad was a dietary Muslim - non-fundamentalist, simply a rational, caring, thinking man - and the best Christian I've ever met, rest his soul. He knew the Bible better than most churchgoers and (without malice but with a twinkle in his eye) would ask them questions most couldn't answer. He lived the Golden Rule and I think saw God as a very personal experience no one had a place to dictate. He stayed married to a devout Catholic over 40 years and was married in her church. Maybe he's a rare example or the ideas of 'abusive crazy muslims' are convenient media propaganda that I'm sorry to see stirred up here; c'est la vie. I grew up in America and have lived here my whole life aside from a few overseas vacations. I have no accent but can affect English, French, Italian, Indian, Southern at will.

Being more exposed to Polish than Middle Eastern culture (there was more SE Asian / Indian influence growing up with movies, food, family friends, etc.) and being raised on classic movies I got fascinated with fair-skinned women; redheads in particular. I've been in love with a Japanese, German (who was almost FOB from Germany and fell head over heels for me), Polish (twice), Korean, and several American-born 'white' girls. I don't define myself by my genetic inheritance, for better or for worse. Some people have their skin color and accent act as a glue in some cicles or a repellent in others. I like to understand a culture I spend time in as there is so much incredible variety and history.

I could move to any country, learn the language well and demonstrate that I belong there. In fact, that's what I'm doing and have been doing, largely inspired by Roosh and other RVF writers, plus every successful person I've read, met or heard about.

I got hate stares during the first and second Gulf wars. Our neighbor who we used to be on good terms with (binge drinker and Vietnam War vet) crashed into our new car one morning coming back from a bar apparently; he thought our driveway was his. Lied his ass off to the police about some kids stealing his truck, smashing it into our new station wagon then driving it down a hill into some rocks. His attitude changed from friendly, 'hey, watch our poodles when we're out of town and you can use our dark-bottom swimming pool' to cat calls, staring at me and my brother playing basketball, crank calls, exposing himself to my Mom and sister, calling the cops on our barking dog. It got insane. At 14 I started to feel what real hate and evil was like. Based on lies, misunderstanding and substance abuse not to mention propaganda (kill your TV - seriously). The first war apparently severely traumatized him and if he was in active duty I can barely imagine what that was like. Much as I respect what it takes to be a soldier, he had no right to take his anger out on us. I took all I could until, being the oldest - unfortunately my Dad not being a very confrontive guy having seen bloodshed in India as a boy during the peace protests with Ghandi - I decided to stand up for my dignity.

I had a show down with this asshole, toe to toe, at the edge of our properties staring into his blood-shot eyes, knees shaking, ready to throw up, screaming at him, daring him to throw a punch, do something or get the fuck out of my face! I felt a rage within me I never knew was possible, but it was in defense of those I loved who couldn't stand up for themselves. He backed down. No blows were exchanged, but he knew I wasn't kidding. 4 years of oppression all through high school, because of his stupid drunk ass parking in the wrong driveway. Within 6 months he and his wife moved away. The crank calls continued for a while then stopped. I got to see hate and stupidity first-hand, outside and feel it grow inside and work its way outside. Hate worked on me for many years until I couldn't stand what it was doing to me, but I could understand how other can go through a progression from misunderstanding to dislike to contempt to hatred. It's really ourselves we hurt the most.

We all have the potential to be saint or sinners. The only battle that really matters, the only place where it truly matters you 'do well in' is between your ears and inside your heart. Some of the most beautiful poetry in the world is from the poet Rumi, a Turkish sage of the 13th century.

Quote:Today, like every other day, we wake up empty
and frightened. Don't open the door to the study
and begin reading. Take down a musical instrument.
Let the beauty we love be what we do.
There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground.

The breeze at dawn has secrets to tell you.
Don't go back to sleep.
You must ask for what you really want.
Don't go back to sleep.
People are going back and forth across the doorsill
where the two worlds touch.
The door is round and open.
Don't go back to sleep.

I would love to kiss you.
The price of kissing is your life.
Now my loving is running toward my life shouting,
What a bargain, let's buy it.

I spent two months in Poland last year. I did Pimsleur for months beforehand. I rolled dolo. I saw a good number of people giving curious looks, and a fair number of women giving IOIs. I dated a woman for two months (only expecting to stay there for a couple weeks) and had an incredible time. Met friends, got to feel really at home in the place. The store owners got to know me and knew what I liked. I felt like I belonged and honestly, it feels more like home than the US. My plan is to move there at least half the year. If my crazy plan does come together, I'll be there during the nasty Slavic Winter, to prove to myself I'm only partially ME and half Pollack hopefully the best parts of each.

TL;dr - If you see youself as a color, everyone else will too. Respect the traditions and language of wherever you plan to visit. Who knows, maybe your story of 'so how come you're here?' will truly be a DHV.

Post: #109

(09-21-2014 04:54 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  Armenians are not Arabs.Iranians are also different(some of them abroad are rich) and I do not think they classify themselves as Arabs as well.
Kurds are worse than Turks in this regard who display also shitty behaviour(ask Germans).
Generally all these nationalities and Afghans have some success with slavic women.The main reason is that they provide them the opportunity to live at home without doing anything while Westerners and Mediteraneans demand from them to work.
Slavic women are compliant to stay at home cooking,cleaning and taking care of children only.It is a disgrace that the above nationalities take advantage of.(they call it cultural similarity etc).

My Arab / Turkish father was a truly cruel man to take advantage of my beautiful Polish mother, keeping her at home most of our childhoods. She read stories to us, corrected our papers, often made delicious meals (though Dad was a better cook), helped us play without hurting each other or others property, taught us astronomy, made us do chores, spanked us when we broke the '3 strikes' rules in the house. If only she'd have gotten a 9-5 making money for Encorpera!

Oh wait, she did that - was a production manager covering for two people who'd quit - and hated it...

Post: #110

(09-29-2014 08:38 PM)Truth Tiger Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 04:54 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  Armenians are not Arabs.Iranians are also different(some of them abroad are rich) and I do not think they classify themselves as Arabs as well.
Kurds are worse than Turks in this regard who display also shitty behaviour(ask Germans).
Generally all these nationalities and Afghans have some success with slavic women.The main reason is that they provide them the opportunity to live at home without doing anything while Westerners and Mediteraneans demand from them to work.
Slavic women are compliant to stay at home cooking,cleaning and taking care of children only.It is a disgrace that the above nationalities take advantage of.(they call it cultural similarity etc).

My Arab / Turkish father was a truly cruel man to take advantage of my beautiful Polish mother, keeping her at home most of our childhoods. She read stories to us, corrected our papers, often made delicious meals (though Dad was a better cook), helped us play without hurting each other or others property, taught us astronomy, made us do chores, spanked us when we broke the '3 strikes' rules in the house. If only she'd have gotten a 9-5 making money for Encorpera!

Oh wait, she did that - was a production manager covering for two people who'd quit - and hated it...

Your dads Arabic/Turkish but was born and raised in India?

Post: #111

(09-29-2014 06:27 PM)berserk Wrote:  

(09-29-2014 05:56 PM)L M McCoy Wrote:  Are you trolling?

While I think it is beta to actively cockblock any male, there is an unspoken agreement here. Pussy is a commodity. You want to bang foreign pussy, then you can't be racist in reverse and not allow others to bang local women. Of course you can, but don't bitch about it when the locals don't look favorably on you.

What is it you find weird about this? Their women are completely off limits to the point it would be legit dangerous to pursue them. They think so lowly of outsiders that they'd get violent over it, so why would you let anyone with such disdain get access?

I am honestly perplexed how this isn't obvious to everyone. Quid pro quo. I suppose, a cultural difference, perhaps another reason why the two don't mesh well.

That's the thing, I'd go out of my way to hook up my friends and anyone I know with some Jewish lizards. I'm not seeing how this applies.

One of the girls I fucked regularly was Bosnian (muslim) and no one cared. I assume they've got somewhat of the same culture through the common factor:Islam?

I think this thread has just gotten off topic?

Post: #112

I get the criticism is towards Arabs/muslims and I don't blame the way Europeans feel especially with immigration/crime/leeching off of the government. Just wanted to mention that!

I would feel the same way, i just misunderstood where it was directed at.

Post: #113

@ L M Mcoy

I wasn't trolling.....yes there are cases where non arab Muslims marry an arab Muslim girl. But it pales in comparison the other way around. Which leaves the other men with nada! F that. For example, I remember speaking to a colleague who was dating a local Qatari while i was in qatar....she was British ,,,while she could date and possibly marry him, her brother would have zero chance being introduced to his single cousins or whatever. If I was her brother I would make a stink about it because if she is good enough, then why isn't he Well, to save you from the long explanation, it's hypocritical.

No guy with self respect should allow his sister to date or go with these types of men who don't allow you to do the same with women from their "tribe". Goes for any culture and religion I say this broadly. I remember years ago my Turkish buddy went to Germany and him and his cousin were denied entry to a club. Now knowing how some Turks have a bad rep in Germany I see how this could happen.

Eventually feminism will take a hold of the middle eastern communities and the women will be liberated somewhat and be able to date outsiders on a greater scale. What I see is bars and clubs becoming more strict with allowing middle easterners entry as they take but don't give ( women wise) so, night game will be tougher for those who are associated with that stereotype. Until feminism makes an influence in their community, racism or protectionism will continue. Let's face it,,,,if you go to any middle eastern country and even try to date their "modern" women , you are in for an uphill battle. Nevermind more down to earth girls.